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#2113962 - 07/06/13 09:18 PM Help with speaker choice plz
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I'm a bit limited in what I can get.

I would like a good sound system for Galaxy vintage D and others like it for my soon to arrive p105.

was originally planning on getting a KRK rokit 5 pair with KRK sub, But I won't be able to ship the KRK sub without incurring ALOT of cash in the process.



Some Studio monitors are available locally albeit a bit pricey

Can I go ahead and get the KRK rokit 5 and an alternative sub?

Here are the list of studio monitors & subs that are available locally.

SUBWOOFERS:
M Audio BX10S
Gemini GVX- SUB15p
Topp Pro Sub
Behringer truth B2092A

Studio monitors available locally include:
Behringer Truth B2031a 8 inch studio monitors
Samson Sam3A
Alesis M1 Active MKII

The Main concern is to achieve a full frequency response across the spectrum so I can hear every nuance and detail in the samples and for the low end to not drown out everything else.



The M audio sub seems decent but I don't know if it will be suitable for piano :S.

There is also a roland CM110 available.

IS the roland my best bet or I can bank on one of those subs to be as good as a KRK and go ahead and bring in the KRK rokit 5 speakers.

I'm very new at this so I can use all the help I can get.

Roland is expensive but if it will be me more detail I can go that route.

Thanks in advance guys.
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#2113963 - 07/06/13 09:19 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I will be able to ship smaller speakers such as the Rokit 5s , maybe the rokit 6.

the rokit 8 might be a bit difficult to fit into a suitcase! frown

Any advice on the above speakers will be greatly appreciated.
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#2113966 - 07/06/13 09:29 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I may be able to fit a pair of Rokit 8s in a suitcase and have someone bring it for me. and with proper padding it might be fine..

But I'm thinking the 10 Inch sub will be way to big to attempt to bring down.
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#2113967 - 07/06/13 09:32 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I can give a little advice; the Mackie MR5MK2 sound incredible.*
No need for sub woofer, very bass heavy if needed, yet extremely clean. However, I suggest a mixer, it will bring the best sound out of them. I highly recommend - especially under $300US.

*NOTE: speakers are extremely personal. You have to demo as many as possible to see what sounds right TO YOU. That's all that matters regardless of brand and price. Every ear is different.


Edited by Marko in Boston (07/06/13 09:33 PM)
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#2113972 - 07/06/13 09:43 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Interesting I will definitely consider these. Thanks!

I'm not in a position to be picky right now

If I can get a pair of small speakers for a decent price that will sound good with galaxy vintage D I would be content.


Would the Mackie be as good as a pair of Rokit 5?

In other words is the sub really needed for piano? Or I can go ahead and ship the Rokit 5 and get the sub later for the added bass.
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#2113974 - 07/06/13 09:47 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I've read that smaller speakers tend to be more accurate, and it would be best to get a pair of small speaker with a sub rather than a pair of 8inch speakers alone .

That's the main reason why I may go with your suggestion or rokit 5s
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#2113976 - 07/06/13 09:51 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Using a sub is a topic that has been debated on the forum for some time. Some like a sub - others not.

I believe the Mackie MR5MK2 is equivalent to the Rokit 5 for what you are trying to achieve - maybe better based on spec. Again, it's personal taste to how it sounds.

IMO, I would order whatever speaker/monitor you like without sub for now. The Rokit 5 will be very accurate and robust. As you say, you can always add sub later if you think you need that extra low end.


Edited by Marko in Boston (07/06/13 09:54 PM)
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#2113979 - 07/06/13 09:54 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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That's very interesting, Marko. From Mta88's list, I've seen very good reports on the Behringer Truth series (there are different types, though - ribbon tweeters on some, etc etc).

But these Mackie MR5mk2 look great (yeah, I know: LOOK!)

I had been resigned to saving up for a set of Yamaha HS7, but these could fit the bill.....you REALLY don't need extra bass? Because I really don't want to have to deal with a sub woofer, much.
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#2114002 - 07/06/13 10:53 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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FWIW --

I did some testing on my own DP (a Casio PX-350), and found that what other people reported was accurate:

. . . there's very little power at the _fundamental_ frequency
. . . of low-bass notes on the piano.

So you don't need loudspeaker response down to 27 Hz -- you need it down to 50 - 75 Hz.

I suspect the Behringer 2031A (almost 9" woofers), _without_ a subwoofer, would work fine for piano. They're quoted as flat down to around 60 Hz.

If you wanted to play organ music in that lowest octave, or use the piano as a keyboard bass in a club, a subwoofer might be worthwhile.

. Charles

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#2114013 - 07/06/13 11:39 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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This is indeed interesting. I may just get the rokit 5s then and add a sub later on.
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#2114014 - 07/06/13 11:39 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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But those Mackies look good. I wonder what the frequency response is?
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#2114015 - 07/06/13 11:42 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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The rokit 5s are 53hz to 20khz

Rokit 6 is 49hz to 20khz.
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#2114022 - 07/07/13 12:13 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Mackie seems to be 60hz to 20khz frequency response
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#2114067 - 07/07/13 04:21 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I wouldn't put too much importance of manufacturers' quoted frequency responses. It's not that they would be unreliable exactly. It's just that I don't think they mean much. For example, what range of output in decibels are we talking about in said specification?

And even then, it's much more the individual behaviour of the speaker throughout the range that is much more important: handling of transients, colouration, and also, yes, smoothness of response.

Same goes for microphones.

This is why Marko said above: speakers are extremely personal. You have to demo as many as possible to see what sounds right TO YOU. That's all that matters regardless of brand and price. Every ear is different.

Eventually I'll get monitors such as Yamaha HS7, Behringer Truth or the above mentioned Mackies. But that's for mixing, mostly. If I just wanted a better sound for piano, I'd probably get hi-fi speakers. Dunno which ones though. Solo piano is a very difficult instrument to get sounding authentic, I think....you certainly don't want full frequency bass, that's for sure. Pianos just do not give out such a sound. The bass notes are more implied (by overtones) than dominant.

Or to put it another way, modern hi-fi and surround sound systems speakers which are made to show off the basses and sound effects sub-100Hz are unlikely to deliver a realistic piano sound, unless they are top end items, capable of handling faithfully almost any material.
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#2114084 - 07/07/13 06:11 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Hmm... Interesting indeed.

I understand that Speakers are very personal.

It's unfortunate that the only one I would be able to try out is the Behringers... provided that the store allows me to do so.
The store is small and cramped.

More than likely, as usual, I would have to purchase the KRKs or Mackies blindly.

Between these two, which are more popular?

Should I be considering the Yamaha HS50m as well for piano?

I've said it before Ive no choice to rely on others opinons due to where I live. I've come to accept this fact.
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#2114086 - 07/07/13 06:23 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Originally Posted By: Mta88
... Should I be considering the Yamaha HS50m as well for piano?

I have the Yamahas and I like them. And I remember liking them before I added the corresponding bass unit. But I got them primarily for a neutral auditioning of mixes; I guess you might want a bit of colour in speakers primarily for piano.
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#2114088 - 07/07/13 06:32 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Originally Posted By: Mta88
Between these two, which are more popular?


Both are popular and well liked. I understand you can not easily demo speakers. With that in mind, read reviews below. Might help you decide based on what others have to say.

KRK Rokit 5:
Amazon reviews http://www.amazon.com/KRK-RP5G2-Powered-Monitor-Speaker/dp/B001A6G6CY
Sweetwater reviews http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Rokit5G2
Musicians Friend reviews http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio...io-monitor-each

Mackie MR5MK2:
Amazon reviews http://www.amazon.com/Mackie-MR5mk2-Powe...s=Mackie+MR5MK2
Sweetwater reviews http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MR5mk2
Mucicians Friend reviews http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/mackie-mr5mk2-2-way-reference-monitor
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#2114098 - 07/07/13 08:01 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Thanks Marko..

Honestly I don't too care for colouring of the sound..

My intent is to keep the sample sounds as pure as possible.

colouring is a bit unnecessary if the quality of the samples are good not so?
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#2114099 - 07/07/13 08:09 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I'm sure in the coming years ,, When Ivory 3 and Galaxy 3 comes out, it will be even better. smile
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#2114100 - 07/07/13 08:27 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I'm unfamiliar with XLR cables.

do I have to use this to hook up my integrated soundcard to the speakers in addition to the XLR chords?

http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Stereo-3-5mm-...5mm+to++two+XLR
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#2114129 - 07/07/13 10:17 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Some XLR connectors have a little lock button and are more difficult to kick out if you catch on them whilst moving about. Apart from this, sometimes omitted physical benefit, there are two audio benefits (that I know of):

The more important in a home/small studio setup occurs during insertion and removal. None of the pins touch the "wrong" connection during their insertion or removal. If you think about a jack plug going in and out, one or two of the leading section of the plug will momentarily touch the other sections' connectors on the way, and a disagreeable (and possibly harmful) thump/crackle is heard. Indeed, on some XLRs the ground pin connects before the signal pins.

The other benefit, especially with low signal levels like microphones', and with long leads in a performance, is that the audio signal with its two pins is balanced. Any noise induced in the cable tends to be induced with opposite phase in each of the signal wires and cancels itself out. (Same kind of thing IIRC as twisted pair ethernet connectors.)
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#2114136 - 07/07/13 10:40 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Originally Posted By: Mta88
I'm unfamiliar with XLR cables.
do I have to use this to hook up my integrated soundcard to the speakers in addition to the XLR chords?
http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Stereo-3-5mm-...5mm+to++two+XLR


Mta88,
If you are connecting either Rokit 5 or MR5MK2 powered monitors to the output of an integrated sound card, just use cables that plug into the unbalanced RCA connectors available on either product. Don't bother to buy 3.5mm to XLR adapters--the output of your sound card is unbalanced to begin with, so you won't be able to make a balanced connection with the monitors using XLR (or TRS 1/4", for that matter) cables.

All you really need is two RCA cables of the appropriate length, plus a 3.5mm-to-dual RCA adapter like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Cable-YRA154-Stereo-Female/dp/B000068O51


Cheers,

B.

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#2114341 - 07/07/13 07:23 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Charles Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Charles Cohen
FWIW --

I did some testing on my own DP (a Casio PX-350), and found that what other people reported was accurate:

. . . there's very little power at the _fundamental_ frequency
. . . of low-bass notes on the piano.

So you don't need loudspeaker response down to 27 Hz -- you need it down to 50 - 75 Hz.

I suspect the Behringer 2031A (almost 9" woofers), _without_ a subwoofer, would work fine for piano. They're quoted as flat down to around 60 Hz.

If you wanted to play organ music in that lowest octave, or use the piano as a keyboard bass in a club, a subwoofer might be worthwhile.

. Charles


I concur. If you are using your Digital Piano for acoustic piano tones, you do not need a dedicated "subwoofer", IMHO. A good FRFR (Full Range, Flat Response), active monitor with an 8" driver will give you the frequency range that will accurately replicate an acoustic piano.

Along with some of the other fine recommendations, here (e.g. Rockit, Mackie), I would recommend the Yamaha MSR100. I would go so far that you don't even need a stereo pair, at least if you are playing at home, and want to get a great sound at reasonable value/bang-for-the-buck. A single MSR100 will do just fine for starters. Later, you can always add a second MSR100, for stereo separation...if that is important to you.

Of course, if you are using your keyboard for non-acoustic piano tones, than depending on the type of music and sound reproduction, you may need a sub-woofer to hit the very low frequencies (e.g. below 55 Hz)

Yamaha MSR100


Edited by Tritium (07/07/13 11:14 PM)

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#2114347 - 07/07/13 07:51 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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I still stand by my home theater recommendation I made in your last thread smile (see pic in signature)
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#2114363 - 07/07/13 08:55 PM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Allan W.]
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I still stand by my home theater recommendation I made in your last thread smile (see pic in signature)


What home theater system, specifically, do you have ?
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#2114455 - 07/08/13 01:51 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: slowtraveler]
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Originally Posted By: slowtraveler
Originally Posted By: Mta88
I'm unfamiliar with XLR cables.
do I have to use this to hook up my integrated soundcard to the speakers in addition to the XLR chords?
http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Stereo-3-5mm-...5mm+to++two+XLR


Mta88,
If you are connecting either Rokit 5 or MR5MK2 powered monitors to the output of an integrated sound card, just use cables that plug into the unbalanced RCA connectors available on either product. Don't bother to buy 3.5mm to XLR adapters--the output of your sound card is unbalanced to begin with, so you won't be able to make a balanced connection with the monitors using XLR (or TRS 1/4", for that matter) cables.

All you really need is two RCA cables of the appropriate length, plus a 3.5mm-to-dual RCA adapter like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Cable-YRA154-Stereo-Female/dp/B000068O51


Cheers,

B.




I'm an idiot. That's what I'm doing with my 360watt Jvc right now .

I didn't realize the yamaha speakers had RCA..

Doesn't matter I may end up going with the KRKs.
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#2114458 - 07/08/13 01:54 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Tritium]
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Originally Posted By: Tritium
Originally Posted By: Charles Cohen
FWIW --

I did some testing on my own DP (a Casio PX-350), and found that what other people reported was accurate:

. . . there's very little power at the _fundamental_ frequency
. . . of low-bass notes on the piano.

So you don't need loudspeaker response down to 27 Hz -- you need it down to 50 - 75 Hz.

I suspect the Behringer 2031A (almost 9" woofers), _without_ a subwoofer, would work fine for piano. They're quoted as flat down to around 60 Hz.

If you wanted to play organ music in that lowest octave, or use the piano as a keyboard bass in a club, a subwoofer might be worthwhile.

. Charles


I concur. If you are using your Digital Piano for acoustic piano tones, you do not need a dedicated "subwoofer", IMHO. A good FRFR (Full Range, Flat Response), active monitor with an 8" driver will give you the frequency range that will accurately replicate an acoustic piano.

Along with some of the other fine recommendations, here (e.g. Rockit, Mackie), I would recommend the Yamaha MSR100. I would go so far that you don't even need a stereo pair, at least if you are playing at home, and want to get a great sound at reasonable value/bang-for-the-buck. A single MSR100 will do just fine for starters. Later, you can always add a second MSR100, for stereo separation...if that is important to you.

Of course, if you are using your keyboard for non-acoustic piano tones, than depending on the type of music and sound reproduction, you may need a sub-woofer to hit the very low frequencies (e.g. below 55 Hz)

Yamaha MSR100


You said at least 8"

The frequency response of the rokit 5s are 53hz to 20khz.

But they are 5"

They should be fine right?
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#2114463 - 07/08/13 02:12 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: dmd
Originally Posted By: Allan W.
I still stand by my home theater recommendation I made in your last thread smile (see pic in signature)


What home theater system, specifically, do you have ?


I just got whatever had high reviews and was on sale. I figure with highly popular speakers, you'd get what you pay for. I didn't link what I specifically have because they're unavailable now.

Mine specifically was http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882290208 which was $250/ea. These were _way_ deeper than I thought they'd be. Takes up a little too much space. I think they sound pretty good though, but I don't have much to compare against, other than listening with a pair of decent headphones.

I got floorstanding speakers because they pretty much will have better bass response than any bookshelf speakers or monitors. If you're going to just put monitors on a stand behind your piano then floorstanding speakers will take up the same space. Unless they're super deep like the one I bought.

The amplifier was http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000069E2V which was $200. Pretty expensive but I figure it's something that would last a very long time. I was looking specifically for an linear amplifier.

I previously bought a cheapo switched mode amplifier and had a lot of problems with it and had to return it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO55G/

And I have a two channel mixer for connecting my piano DP sound and my computer USB audio interface (although I never use the piano DP sound anymore, so I connected my computer's 5.1 rear channel for surround sound gaming).

One issue with connecting the computer to the amplifier was a _ton_ of high pitched switching noise. I fixed it by putting a hum destroyer in series... http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-HD400-2-Channel-Hum-Destroyer/dp/B000KUD2G4
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#2114508 - 07/08/13 05:01 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: toddy]
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Originally Posted By: toddy
If I just wanted a better sound for piano, I'd probably get hi-fi speakers.


Totally agree! I've just ordered a Sure 2024 T-Amp and I'm going to buy a couple of Cambridge Audio S50 Speakers. As they're assembled, I'll be able to comment my choice!
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Edited by Qbert (07/08/13 05:03 AM)
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#2114510 - 07/08/13 05:19 AM Re: Help with speaker choice plz [Re: Mta88]
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Mta88, regardless of what you wind up buying, know in advance what the store's return policy is. You have to live with a setup for a while before you know if it sounds good in your environment.

As already pointed out, frequency range without the deviation from 0 dB given, is meaningless.
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