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#2115899 - 07/10/13 11:49 PM learning how to play by ear
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So I've just recently gotten back into piano (I took lessons for several years), and I'd really like to learn how to play by ear, but I don't know where to start.

Is it possible to learn how to play by ear or is it just natural talent? I'd appreciate any guidance! Like books or youtube vids or methods I could look up. I have heard of the chord method, but I don't know much about it.

Or maybe good (free) places that'll teach music theory? I honestly don't know where to begin.

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#2115911 - 07/11/13 01:13 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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A lot of people in the Adult Beginners Forum have used this:

Piano Magic

There used to be quite a contingent, tho not so lately. We had posters who learned how to play piano this way, and posters who had learned to play classical music than used this method to learn to play by ear. At least one of our posters plays for weddings, etc, now, having learned from here. The one thing the site owner asks if you have previous piano experience is that you forget about it and start at the very beginning. It seemed to work.

There is also, from what our posters said, quite a good forum where members help each other.

I learned my chords/chord progressions by playing folk tunes from lead sheets - mostly from The Fiddlers Fakebook. The compiler of that one explains a lot of the basic theory in the introduction to the book.

So I've been playing tunes I know by ear and adding chords, and it's been working. So I think you can, too.

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#2116177 - 07/11/13 03:20 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: jotur]
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Also Dr. Keys.com is another online piano method. Dr. Keys also frequents PW forum.

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#2116524 - 07/12/13 08:39 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Originally Posted By: exquisitemelody24
So I've just recently gotten back into piano (I took lessons for several years), and I'd really like to learn how to play by ear, but I don't know where to start.

Is it possible to learn how to play by ear or is it just natural talent? I'd appreciate any guidance! Like books or youtube vids or methods I could look up. I have heard of the chord method, but I don't know much about it.

Or maybe good (free) places that'll teach music theory? I honestly don't know where to begin.


Well that's one of my piano quests I started lately (with many other quests, maybe to many hah!).

A few things that seem to work for me are:
- Sing. Sing/Hum along while playing piano tunes you know. For some reason this creates a better connection between the ear and the keys.
- Try to play (starting with relatively easy) melodies by ear you know/hear. Again, singing is a good way. Hear the melody, sing the melody than try to play the melody. This is a process of trying and trying. It won't come easy, but after a while you start to hear things much more easily like scales, arpeggio's, patterns etcetera. Speed down the music and take your time to really hear what is going on.
- When I try to play something by ear and want to find not only the melody but also the chords, I always try to find the bass note that suits the melody. From there you can find the chord, the bass note seems like a good starting point.

These things worked for me the past, let's say 6 weeks. So I'm all but experienced regarding playing by ear but well, maybe you can use some of this information smile


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#2116569 - 07/12/13 11:02 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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It seems most people learn to play by ear by a lot of trial and error, and listening to a lot of music. Of course an understanding of basic music theory is important, at the very least learn all the major scales and how they relate to chords.
"The Contemporary Keyboardist" by Joh Novello is a book which has some nice practise tips for that, if you're interested.
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#2116698 - 07/12/13 05:36 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: keyboardplaying1]
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It's almost as if it would be easier if one only knew how to play in one key. That way, that much is decided. Then it's only a matter of deciding on a tune. There would be no need for I, ii, IV, V etc. because, the V chord never changes in a given key. Some song's chord progression is more involved than other's, so then if one can't hear the chord changes, try a simpler song.

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#2118010 - 07/15/13 12:53 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: jotur]
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The best way to learn to play by ear is to start with simple, well known tunes (folk tunes, When Johnny Comes Marching Home, Christmas carols, kid's tunes), figure out the melody part, and then figure out how to fit chords to the melody line.

For chords, you learn the 7 notes in the key, and learn how to make a chord on each of those notes. So you've got 7 chords to work with and you simply try one after the other until you find one that sound like it fits most logically.
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#2118112 - 07/15/13 05:20 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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This topic has been my major quest for quite some time. I have tried many online courses; and I have learned something from each one, regarding the topic of playing by ear. From these online programs, I have learned the following:

1) Learn your scales
2) Learn all chords in every key (start with C)
3) Learn the Circle of Fifths
4) Learn the number system
5) Learn common chord progressions (2-5-1, 6-2-5-1)
6) Start to play two chord songs and move to three chord songs
7) Start with simple songs (nursery, children, hymn tunes)
8) Listen to all styles of music to hear common chord patterns

It has been a continuous long journey for me to start learning; but it is possible. For example, I am starting to hear common repetitive patterns in music I hear from recordings.

Some of the programs I have tried have taught how to use lead sheets for playing by ear. However, I have to wanted to learn how to play by ear without any lead sheet music.

Some of the programs I have tried that are in my top three are:

1) Piano Magic (strictly for beginners)
2) Hear and Play (gospel music - good on music theory)
3) David Higginson's Professional Chord System (accompaniment
lead sheet music)

Others programs I have tried are:
1) Gospel Music University (chord music theory)
2) Steve Lungrin Piano Man (ballad, pop music accompaniment)
3) Nate Bosch The Piano System (scales, chords, lead sheet)
4) Robert Chambers Any Key Music System (audio tapes - scales,
chords)
5) B Sharp Tricks (music theory)
6) Creative Music (app for learning chords)
7) PlaybyEar.com (gospel music, number system, chords)
8) Matthew Stephens Learn Piano by Ear (scales, chords)
9) Pattern Piano Keyboard (lead sheets)
10) Piano for All

As you can see, I have tried and ordered many programs. I have spent many hours researching methods; and there are many online programs available now. Also, youtube has many videos on this topic.

Just keep in mind, as I have been learning, that it takes time to learn how to play by ear, unless you already have a good ear for music.

Hopefully this is helpful in your search and learning how to play by ear.


Edited by ChazG (07/15/13 10:44 PM)

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#2118453 - 07/16/13 09:36 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: ChazG]
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Originally Posted By: ChazG

1) Learn your scales
2) Learn all chords in every key (start with C)
3) Learn the Circle of Fifths
4) Learn the number system
5) Learn common chord progressions (2-5-1, 6-2-5-1)
6) Start to play two chord songs and move to three chord songs
7) Start with simple songs (nursery, children, hymn tunes)
8) Listen to all styles of music to hear common chord patterns


That's good list.
I eventually collected those tools.
I don't remember the song, but I remember the moment. I was playing along with a song and heard the (change)timely transition from one chord to the next.
For once I heard the Music, not the progression of notes or tri-tones. I heard one phrase connecting to another musically. I was no longer typing notes, or beating on a chord, but playing music. While everybody's different, it was like a switching on a light bulb to me. 6, 7, & 8, are important to note, because even simple musicality is better than no musicality. In other words, there is a spark, then there's fuel for the fire. Think of simple tunes as kindling.
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#2133393 - 08/15/13 02:10 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: Farmerjones]
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I would recommend Rosa's method of learning to play by ear: thumb

www.LearnPianoWithRosa.com

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#2137736 - 08/23/13 01:17 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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When you get stuck at some point trying to figure out the melody or chords by ear, here's a trick that can help: quickly run through the major scale for the key of the song from root to root. Your ear will retain the various intervals in your short term memory, and you are able to readily pick the correct pair from the several choices available (7 tones in the scale). It also helps with the correct chord sequence.

Someone above mentioned identifying the chord roots as a way to help figure out chords. A word of caution: yes, it helps in many cases because chords are often voiced with the root on the bottom. But not always, sometimes an inversion is the proper voicing in order to convey a stepwise bass line. Just be aware of that.
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#2139234 - 08/26/13 02:09 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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You guys can vouch for pianomagic? I'd totally pay but I'm thinking of waiting for about a year under my belt with private lessons
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#2139245 - 08/26/13 02:40 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Sweet06 - I have not used Piano Magic. The posters in the ABF who were using it haven't been around for awhile, tho at one time there were several. So I can't speak to what it's like at this very minute. But at least I can say it was a legitimate business at that time, and the posters seemed to learn a lot.

Seaside Lee was one of the prominent users, and on occasion he still checks in in the ABF. You might try pm'ing him.

Cathy
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#2139665 - 08/27/13 01:32 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: jotur]
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I bought a keyboard and joined Piano Magic 6+ years ago and it's really one of the best investments I've ever made ... so inexpensive for what you can learn in a short time ... as if I had a lot of time left. smile

Mike was out for a spell recently due to some matters unrelated to piano plus he gigs A LOT, but it's been a lot of fun even if he's not there 24/7. Seaside checks in over there occasionally too.
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#2139677 - 08/27/13 02:15 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Thanks for the recap, Rerun. Nice to hear it's still going well and is a help.

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#2139707 - 08/27/13 03:40 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Originally Posted By: exquisitemelody24


Is it possible to learn how to play by ear or is it just natural talent? I honestly don't know where to begin.



Cathy, this is the first time I've been to the Non-Classical board ... never noticed it was down here. laugh

EM24 / S06, I'd bet the ranch most people can learn to play by ear ... perfect pitch is probably a natural talent/gift; playing by ear? not so much, imo.


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#2152063 - 09/17/13 11:06 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Originally Posted By: Farmerjones
That's good list.
I eventually collected those tools.
I don't remember the song, but I remember the moment. I was playing along with a song and heard the (change)timely transition from one chord to the next.
For once I heard the Music, not the progression of notes or tri-tones. I heard one phrase connecting to another musically. I was no longer typing notes, or beating on a chord, but playing music. While everybody's different, it was like a switching on a light bulb to me. 6, 7, & 8, are important to note, because even simple musicality is better than no musicality. In other words, there is a spark, then there's fuel for the fire. Think of simple tunes as kindling.
Good heaven's ima sap. But a happy sap.


People diagree about the recipe or order and amount of ingredients in it, but everyone agrees about the importance of one of them and the need to apply it liberally, the necessity to listen. The question is how do you deepen that skill and apply it "as needed" which is what the recipe calls for. In my experience singing while you play is the best way. For one thing is frees you from being chanined to the melody and forces you to improvise your own musical responses to it, while forcing you to tune in to the overtone series to find the best harmony.

I also think that knowing reharmonization is a major ingredient. Yes, it's is easy to recognize the cadence of two chords and play off them, as in the I-V, but what about all the variation of chords that may come in between or be added (IMaj7, I6, IMaj9, IV, vi etc.), and chords that can be added to delay getting to the V (ii, ii6, II7, vi, IV, ect), and the fact that even if you do hear that tritone substitution, you have to know that next chord may not be the V but some variation of the the chord it was subing for using the 3 as a bass note instead of the root to make for a smoother bass line (as Michael points out). I agree with Elssa that Learn Piano with Rosa, especially her reharmonization series one of the best (easiest and most effiicent) ways to learn this. Also, Simon Schott does a brilliant job of explaining it in is book, Play Piano By Ear.


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#2152876 - 09/18/13 10:02 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Great points brought up by the posters. I want to emphasize the importance of referring to recordings when you are learning melodic lines and harmonic progressions. It is really not enough to just figure out a melody from memory and add chords. This is because you might be remembering the melody incorrectly, and you can justify using harmonic progressions that "make sense" even if they are not the same harmonies that are actually used. This is usually not a problem when it comes to simple, achromatic melodies, because most people will remember these accurately--but, in these instances, while a particular harmonic progression may be implied, it is not "set in stone" (and also using alternative harmonic progressions to simple, popular melodies will often sound more interesting than what is implied by the melody).

Another helpful tool is to practice improvisation. This is a separate skill set, and it involves more than just playing by ear, so it cannot be your only tool (often times a good ear is not even necessary to produce a decent improvisation, it can be "faked" by applying theory knowledge). Explicitly attempting to play what you hear in your head on your instrument will help develop your ear, not to mention help develop your compositional skills and ability to play along with other musicians.

Obviously improvisation cannot be your only ear training tool. You are going to be limited to whatever stylistic leanings you have. For instance if you never "hear" a certain chord in your head, like a dim7, you might not ever get around to applying dim7 chords in your improvisation. Every time you hear this chord on a recording you might just wonder what it is. And really it's not going to be one chord or one rhythmic motive or even one key... there are going to be a lot of options you're missing out on because you're not learning from what others have done.

There is also musictheory.net, a good site with some ear training exercises. The interval ear trainer is very good, it is totally customizable, and even keeps tabs on your score.

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#2153044 - 09/18/13 02:45 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas
]I want to emphasize the importance of referring to recordings when you are learning melodic lines and harmonic progressions. It is really not enough to just figure out a melody from memory and add chords. This is because you might be remembering the melody incorrectly


I totally agree. Try transcribing Miles Davis' solo on So What by ear only from memory if you haven't listened to a lot of modal jazz--try even learning it by singing it from the recording and you'll see just how inaccurate your ear can be.
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And really it's not going to be one chord or one rhythmic motive or even one key... there are going to be a lot of options you're missing out on because you're not learning from what others have done.

Yes, and unfamiliar inflections and rhythmic patterns will trip up your ear as to the melody line because melody is rhythm, so I agree you must study others, especially the most innovative players if you want to develop your ear and technique. But even the most brilliant of these players might have heard things wrong (or rememberd them that way) at some point but liked what they heard and kept playing it that way so that eventually others learned to hear it that way. There's nothing wrong with experimenting and playing something inaccurately if you like the way it sounds. Maybe others will too, and even if they don't, at least you'll surprise them.

Thanks for the link for the ear training program. I might need it for help on So What. smile

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#2153249 - 09/18/13 06:47 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: stalefleas]
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The points brought up by stalefleas are good, but one thing jumped out at me as needing some clarification:

Originally Posted By: stalefleas
This is usually not a problem when it comes to simple, achromatic melodies, because most people will remember these accurately--but, in these instances, while a particular harmonic progression may be implied, it is not "set in stone"


About 90% of the time there is one correct chord for any given spot in a song (I'm talking about simple tunes). Other chords may work, but they will be much weaker. You should always try to identify that best choice whenever you harmonize a melody.

Originally Posted By: Starr Keys

I totally agree. Try transcribing Miles Davis' solo on So What by ear only from memory if you haven't listened to a lot of modal jazz--try even learning it by singing it from the recording and you'll see just how inaccurate your ear can be.

Absolutely. There's no point in even bothering with this kind of exercise unless you are already playing jazz, but this is light years ahead of where most of the people who are interested in this thread title are at.
Learning to play by ear is a progressive thing. You start out by playing and harmonizing simple diatonic melodies by ear (think Twinkle Twinkle Little Star) and you progressively work your way into different, and more complex forms of music. Your ear improves along the way.


Edited by Michael Martinez (09/18/13 06:53 PM)
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#2153405 - 09/18/13 11:51 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Applying this process on a few simple songs:

simple melodies

... and an overview of the process:





Edited by Michael Martinez (09/18/13 11:53 PM)
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#2153715 - 09/19/13 11:51 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: Michael Martinez]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Martinez
Applying this process on a few simple songs:

simple melodies

... and an overview of the process:



Sorry, I didn't mean to stray so far from the OP 's basic inquiry. I agree with Michael, the process he describes is essential. It's how I started. Music is logical, which is why I stress the importance of learning the order behind the complexity of possibilities which can be available in harmonizing even the most simple songs -- possibilities that rise out of the basic I-V or I-IV-V cadences found in simple songs and which are related to them in logical ways.

Demonstrating this logic is where Rosa and Schott--Rosa particularly for the beginner--do such a brilliant job. But before your ear can recognize these relationships, you it must be able to recognize the basic cadences and hear them in simple songs just the way Michael describes.

Only one small caveat: while music is logical, it is also emotional, and not everyone wants to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star or any children's song for that matter, so try to find songs that you're motivated to play because, as Michael suggests, the process can be very tedious if the song is boring for you. If you like country, there are tons of 3-chord country songs, if you're spiritual, try Amazing Grace. I love musical theatre , so my first song was from Music Man. Here it is only two weeks into the process:

https://app.box.com/shared/hsx3os388t

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#2153748 - 09/19/13 12:28 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: Starr Keys]
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I love musical theatre , so my first song was from Music Man.


I love musical theater too. I actually grew up singing it as a young teenager. I was in Carmen, had the lead role in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor dreamcoat, and various other performances. I'm really into Sondheim too.

I was curious about pulling up your "Good night my someone" recording, but it's only in Midi? You dont' have an audio/mp3 version?


Edited by Michael Martinez (09/19/13 12:31 PM)
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#2154365 - 09/20/13 11:34 AM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: Michael Martinez]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Martinez
Originally Posted By: Starr Keys

I love musical theatre , so my first song was from Music Man.


I love musical theater too. I actually grew up singing it as a young teenager. I was in Carmen, had the lead role in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor dreamcoat, and various other performances. I'm really into Sondheim too.

I was curious about pulling up your "Good night my someone" recording, but it's only in Midi? You dont' have an audio/mp3 version?


Wow, you must sing as well as you play! And Sondheim is my man. Has been since I was 15 and took out the recording of "Anyone can Whistle" from the library and discovered he composed music as well as wrote the brilliant lyrics to some of my favorite musicals.

Thanks for your interest in my first recording. Although its midi (I have no way to convert it now as I have retired my DP), it doesn't have a synthetic sound but sounds like I'm playing a piano.

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#2154408 - 09/20/13 12:24 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: Starr Keys]
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Wow, you must sing as well as you play!


No, I don't have much of a range anymore and I don't have a lot of power in my voice. So when I do sing, it's gotta be a part that's within my limited range.

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he composed music as well as wrote the brilliant lyrics to some of my favorite musicals.


I think West Side Story was the first one he worked on? My two favorites are Sweeney Todd, and Sunday in the Park with George, an interesting, somewhat odd ode to the artistic spirit, and the version with Mandy Patinkin? Wow. What a cool guy. I'm sure most people who watched Chicago Hope or the other TV shows he's been in, had no idea this guy is multi-talented. Or the awesome flick The Princess Bride, for that matter.

The one thing I absolutely can't stand - and this is probably going to [censored] some people off, sorry - but I can't stand the fact that they made, and keep making for corn's sake, musical versions of Les Miserables. Oh crap. Just stop it. It belittles the brilliant piece of literature that is Hugo's book.


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#2154441 - 09/20/13 01:01 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: Michael Martinez]
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I'm a huge Sondheim groupie, as well.
Sondheim wrote the lyrics to West Side Story and Gypsy. Not bad. After that he wrote music and lyrics for his own shows.
I love Sunday in the Park (Move On), Sweeney Todd (Not While I'm Around, which Kurt Elling sings), A Little Night Music (the whole score is some form of waltz), Pacific Overtures, Merrily We Roll Along (Our Time), Company (Being Alive), etc. I think all Americans should know some Sondheim; he's one of our greatest artists.

There; now I feel better!

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#2154513 - 09/20/13 02:31 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: jjo]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Martinez
The one thing I absolutely can't stand - and this is probably going to [censored] some people off, sorry - but I can't stand the fact that they made, and keep making for corn's sake, musical versions of Les Miserables. Oh crap. Just stop it. It belittles the brilliant piece of literature that is Hugo's book.


A man after my own heart. I was an English major and my husband is an English Professor and we both couldn't agree more. Although, I know at least one beloved regular here who would have us stoned and burned at the stake for saying so. (I expect we'll be hearing from him in this thread very soon.[lol])

jjo - I saw a production of every show you mentioned and others you didn't, Into the Woods (which changed my life because seeing it coincided with my discovery of Jung and dream work) and Follies (flawed but so "cosmic egg" breakingly brilliant in concept and parts of its execution, it is my favorite even more than the critics "least flawed" choice, Sweeney Todd)



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#2154572 - 09/20/13 03:50 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: Starr Keys]
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Originally Posted By: Starr Keys

A man after my own heart. I was an English major and my husband is an English Professor and we both couldn't agree more. Although, I know at least one beloved regular here who would have us stoned and burned at the stake for saying so. (I expect we'll be hearing from him in this thread very soon.[lol])



Amen. I'm not saying that music in "Le Miz" is bad, I'm just saying that I wish they had chosen some other book instead. If you want to appreciate what Victor Hugo is saying, you gotta read the book. Everything else falls short. Way short. If the BBC did a really well-made miniseries, like they did with Martin Chuzzlewit - which was absolutely amazing, the British are so good at that sort of thing, and Pete Postlethwaite's performance was just astounding - they could really do justice to the book. The 1998 version with Liam Neeson and Geoffrey Rush was very good, but too short - you can't express in a two-hour film the subtleties of an 800-page novel that was written by a genius.



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#2154576 - 09/20/13 03:54 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Continuing on the lines of learning to play piano by ear, I did another video in the same vein as my first one. For this, the song is "Stuck on You" by Lionel Richie. I show you the melody and chords, with tips and advice to figuring those out by ear. And I show you appropriate sets of improvisational tones to use for each chord and some different techniques on piano that are of benefit on any song you play. Check it out, hopefully someone will find it of some benefit:

Stuck on you - part 1:


Stuck on you - part 2:


Edited by Michael Martinez (09/20/13 03:56 PM)
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#2155538 - 09/22/13 01:24 PM Re: learning how to play by ear [Re: exquisitemelody24]
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Very cool vids! Thanks for posting these. If you decide to make another video do you think that you could make one explaining how to relate keys together, using borrowed chords and whatnot. Maybe even throw in some examples of some non diatonic progressions or key changes. Thanks again!
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