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#2116412 - 07/12/13 12:34 AM Acoustic piano or digital piano?
xiaofeipo Offline
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Hi friends, I have enrolled for piano classes and will be starting to learn in August. The tutor suggested me to get myself a piano for practice purpose if I am serious about it. I feel like buying a digital piano as I am moving to another country in next year and it will be easier to move the piano along; however, some of my friends told me that the sound quality of digital pianos is not as good as the that of acoustic pianos. Can anybody please give me some suggestions on this? Thank you.

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#2116428 - 07/12/13 01:34 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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There is no question that the sound and touch of a digital piano is different from an acoustic. But in your case, the impending move would suggest that it is prudent to start with a digital piano now.

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#2116429 - 07/12/13 01:36 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: rlinkt]
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I currently have Yamaha YDP162 and Korg LP380 on the list. Do you have other recommendations?

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#2116432 - 07/12/13 02:08 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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That depends on how much money you're willing to spend on the piano. The YDP162 is a decent entry-level DP, I don't know about Korg but from what I have "heard" here, their key action is not the best out there.

Btw. you would probably be better served over at the Digital Piano forum. smile
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#2116434 - 07/12/13 02:12 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: Clayman]
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Hmm, how about YDP142? Well it seems that I have to do more researches on Korg. Thank you smile

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#2116445 - 07/12/13 03:19 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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Check the piano shops for rentals. Those yamaha n1 or n3's with real piano actions are pretty awesome as well.
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#2116447 - 07/12/13 03:22 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: michaelha]
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I am not sure if any piano shops in my country do provide rental service. So far I haven't heard about such service...

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#2116591 - 07/12/13 12:28 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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If you get yourself a cheap digital to start with - a Casio Privia or something, don't spend too much, or even find an older Clavinova on Ebay, and sell it again when it's time to move. Then, if your love for the piano grows and you want to keep playing, buy something better. Either a top end digital or acoustic. When you get to a certain level, you need acoustic if you want to sound good, but for note learning, you'll be OK on digital.

Personally I wish all my students only ever had an acoustic, but that's not always practical.

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#2116605 - 07/12/13 01:15 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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You'll get a lot of opinions about digitals next door in the digital forum. While a good acoustic is best, the acoustics that would compete with the pricing of that Yamaha & Korg would not be a great instrument for practicing. In that budget range, a digital usually is better. Casio's newest action is more realistic than any in its price class. From Yamaha, you would have to move above the 142 to, as Clayman suggested, either the 161 or 162 to be more comparable.

If you are willing to spend more on an a good acoustic, a used, mid-range brand name upright can be easy enough to sell if you had to in a year.
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#2116626 - 07/12/13 02:18 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: joe80]
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Casio Privia? Hmm.. WIll check on it later. What do you think about Korg LP-380? My plan is to buy a digital piano and sell it before I am leaving. After moving I will get an acoustic piano.

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#2116632 - 07/12/13 02:26 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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I have decided to get a digital piano first. An acoustic piano is not really worth the money since I am moving abroad within a year. The more I ask the more choices I have. It is so... confusing frown

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#2116650 - 07/12/13 02:58 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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When I restarted piano (after a 15 year break) I went to Guitar Center and bought a $350 Casio digital piano. Pretty much the cheapest one they had with weighted keys, touch sensitivity, full-size keys, etc. It's not great, but it's not too bad either. It was definitely enough to get me playing again. I looked at it as a temporary/re-starter piano and had fun with it for 4 years. And then when I knew I was going to stick with it, had the room, had some certainty where I was going to be living, I got a nice acoustic piano. I might suggest go super cheap on the digital because they can definitely get up there as well, easily $2K even up to $10K!!! Save that money for the acoustic when you're ready.
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#2116836 - 07/13/13 02:25 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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Originally Posted By: xiaofeipo
I have decided to get a digital piano first. An acoustic piano is not really worth the money since I am moving abroad within a year. The more I ask the more choices I have. It is so... confusing frown


Sounds reasonable. But I would suggest that you visit a few dealers to try acoustic and digitals yourself. If you find the sound of DPs totally uninspiring like I do, then going the DP route would be a waste of time.
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#2116880 - 07/13/13 07:48 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: wouter79]
xiaofeipo Offline
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I will definitely get an acoustic piano if I am not leaving after a year. Since I am leaving soon, buying an acoustic piano seems to be a risky move to me...

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#2116882 - 07/13/13 07:51 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: michaelha]
xiaofeipo Offline
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It's not 100% that I will sell the digital piano when I move. I might ship it internationally to where I will be at. Have Yamaha YDP162, Korg LP380, Casio PX-750 and PX-780, and Roland F-120 on the list now.

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#2116883 - 07/13/13 07:57 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
xiaofeipo Offline
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I called one of the digital piano retailers in my hometown today and got some suggestions from her. She said that the tutors in her center normally recommend new students to get Roland F-120 as it is made of some materials which allow it to imitate the feel and touch of an acoustic piano. Any reviews on this? Thank you.

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#2116893 - 07/13/13 08:25 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
Piano RX Offline
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xiaofeipo,

I have a Kawai CA65 and find it to be remarkably similar in feel to many of the acoustics I have played. I am now shopping for a grand acoustic but will keep my DP as well. I would reccommend this model without hesitation. Even my teacher was favorably impressed with the CA65.

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#2116967 - 07/13/13 12:35 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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The problem with digital piano reviews is that they all come to the conclusion that whatever piano is being reviewed is absolutely wonderful. Apparently, there is no bad digital piano. Even the $1000 digitals are wonderful.

Yet, if you follow the people who buy these computers, they are never satisfied with what they have. The "realistic sound" after a few months becomes unbearable. Now they are chasing the ultra-realistic software pianos...lol.
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#2116975 - 07/13/13 12:53 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: StarvingLion]
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I have a Kawai CA65 and I like it very much. However, it does not feel like my teacher's Yamaha grand piano at all! I'm an absolute beginner and even I can feel the difference. There is a lot more resistance in the keys of the grand. I have to work harder to make it sound good. Also there is a lot more resistance in the left pedal of the grand (haven't used the other pedals yet blush ) compared to the pedal of my DP. That being said, I absolutely love my CA65 and yes, someday I'll definitely buy an acoustic piano, but for now and probably many years to come the CA65 will be just fine!
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#2117139 - 07/13/13 06:25 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
musicpassion Offline
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Originally Posted By: xiaofeipo
I have decided to get a digital piano first. An acoustic piano is not really worth the money since I am moving abroad within a year. The more I ask the more choices I have. It is so... confusing frown


I think for your situation the digital is the most reasonable choice. I agree with others who have said go cheap (either used or not) and save the money for your real piano down the road.
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#2117143 - 07/13/13 06:33 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
musicpassion Offline
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Originally Posted By: xiaofeipo
I called one of the digital piano retailers in my hometown today and got some suggestions from her. She said that the tutors in her center normally recommend new students to get Roland F-120 as it is made of some materials which allow it to imitate the feel and touch of an acoustic piano. Any reviews on this? Thank you.

Nothing has the same "feel and touch" of a real piano action other than a real piano action (thus Yamahas Avantegrand and GranTouch). Doesn't matter what the reviews say.
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#2117150 - 07/13/13 06:45 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: StarvingLion]
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"Yet, if you follow the people who buy these computers, they are never satisfied with what they have. The "realistic sound" after a few months becomes unbearable. Now they are chasing the ultra-realistic software pianos...lol."

They`re never satisfied because they have the resources to buy when improved products become available; with APs that is not the case. They`re too bloody expensive to begin with . . .but ya can keep polishing `em!

The answer is music . . . get stuck in!
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#2117596 - 07/14/13 04:56 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
"Yet, if you follow the people who buy these computers, they are never satisfied with what they have. The "realistic sound" after a few months becomes unbearable. Now they are chasing the ultra-realistic software pianos...lol."

They`re never satisfied because they have the resources to buy when improved products become available; with APs that is not the case. They`re too bloody expensive to begin with . . .but ya can keep polishing `em!



This was almost me about 5 months ago! Have Roland RD 700sx and was looking for the latest and greatest. After realizing that this would be a life time endeavor and probably end up buying several keyboards over the years in search of that " real piano sound and touch" I realized that the only way to get that was to get a real piano, and so I did.

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#2117744 - 07/14/13 09:19 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
Sean P Offline
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Loc: Ireland!
Hey smile
In all honesty, while it's so handy not to need tuning or much maintenance, digital pianos for me just aren't as satisfying. Don't get me wrong, they're a great substitute, but the problem is they sound a little... too perfect. Like, my Yamaha electric piano sounds exactly like a normal piano, pretty much, but it sounds so cold and sterile. No real character, you know? And then there's the problem of touch... nothing can emulate the feeling of playing an actual piano, the sound based off your touch and delicacy with the keys, or lack of.
Again don't get me wrong, they're good if an acoustic piano at the moment isn't ideal, but in the long run an acoustic is probably better.

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#2118254 - 07/15/13 09:44 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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Yamaha P105 is good enough to start. Once you moved to a different country, if your motivation remains, you can buy an acoustic piano and keep your digital for late night practice.
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#2118443 - 07/16/13 08:59 AM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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Apparetnly, at least at Yamaha, digital musical insturments, which I guess indcludes DP's and keyborards, outsell the acoustic pianos by a pretty wide margin. According to their annual report for 2011...

http://www.yamaha.com/about_yamaha/ir/publications/pdf-data/2011/ann/an-2011e.pdf

Acoustic pianos accounted for 14.5% of total sales while the digital instuments accounted for 23.1%.

There is no doubt a good acoustic will outshine a DP. I don't think anyone would challenge that premise. However, DP's obviously fufill certain needs and are the choice of thousands of people every year.

Acoustics span a wide range of sizes and quality, from a concert Bosendorfer to a tiny spinet that can sound like a tin can or a child's toy. I would much rather have my CA65 than any spinet or console acoustic that I have experienced. Comonly referred to as "beginner pianos", I wouldn't give you a dime for any of them. Horrible!

My DP has served me well and has gotten me to the point where I feel I am ready to graduate to an acoustic. It was a moderate investment that is faily easy to transport and sell just in case I was wrong about my committment to learn piano. Many people have commented that the sound was very nice (even when produced by me). Granted they were not graduates of Juliard, but then, neither am I. My DP "got me to the dance" and has served it's intended purpose extremely well.

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#2118608 - 07/16/13 03:59 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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PianoismyScrip, the bottom line is that you are quitting a (expensive, at least for digital) digital, hardly a ringing endorsement for digital pianos in general.

There are lots of people who are satisfied with the limitations of a *good* acoustic console piano. They own that piano for their entire life.

In contrast, it seems few people can tolerate a digital piano all their life because the synthetic/artificial sound gnaws away at them until they either abandon the instrument altogether or get an acoustic.
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#2118669 - 07/16/13 05:52 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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Hi everyone, been here a while but this is my first post.

Began taking lessons last Feb. using a Yamaha DGX505 I bought 5 years earlier, didn't know it back then but after hearing my teacher on and actual piano, I realized if I want be good I'll need an acoustic.

Though great for space saving and portability, to my ears the same styling cannot be produced on a digital.

The Yamaha is back under plastic and now have a big acoustic in my small living room and love it size and all, only wish is I could turn up the volume.

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#2119059 - 07/17/13 12:35 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
PianoismyScrip, the bottom line is that you are quitting a (expensive, at least for digital) digital, hardly a ringing endorsement for digital pianos in general.

There are lots of people who are satisfied with the limitations of a *good* acoustic console piano. They own that piano for their entire life.

In contrast, it seems few people can tolerate a digital piano all their life because the synthetic/artificial sound gnaws away at them until they either abandon the instrument altogether or get an acoustic.


Starving Lion,

I am not quitting my DP. As I mentioned, I will keep it for use when I don't want to interfere with others who are engaged in another activity, such as sleeping.

I disagree with your premise that the "artificial" sound "knaws away" on someone causing them to "abanodon" their DP's. That may be true on a low end keyboard what is more of a toy than a music producer but we all listen to recorded sound every time we listen to any music that is not live. Recorded sound and recoreded sound delivery systems today are so superior to the "old days" it is no contest. After a year plus with my DP I don't find the sound of my CA65 offensive in the least. The recorded samplings of a Kawai concert grand most certainly do not knaw away at my senses. Quite the contrary, it is better than many acoustics I have heard. It is always perfectly in tune. Does it have as much tonal range as a properly maintained good acoustic??? of course not, but I think that is a given.

I have simply reached the point where I have begun to appreciate the subtle effects of varying types of attack on the keys of an acoustic. I would think that a more likey scenario than the "knawing" theory would be that most piano enthusiasts are creative type people and they eventually want more control over their emotional and creatvie input on the insturment. Until such time as technology can find a way to provide all the possible sounds resulting from an almost infinite number of attack profiles there is no way a DP can provide the same results as an acoustical.

Actually, it would be interesting to view comments from those who "made the switch" and find out what prompted them to "go acoustical". Also, how many of them kept their DP's even after purchasing an acoustical. I see lots of ads for used acousticals and many for simple keyboards but few for actual DP's... don't know why. Perhaps we can all learn something.

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#2119718 - 07/18/13 04:07 PM Re: Acoustic piano or digital piano? [Re: xiaofeipo]
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I imagine just as many AP playing people drool over acoustics they cannot afford simply because they are expensive and carry that "aura" with it. The object of their affections becomes an obsession . . . whether it`s a car, house, pedal cycle (can cost thousands) or anything else.

I`m hung up about this at the moment . . .

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