Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#2116681 - 07/12/13 04:23 PM How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons?
ezpiano.org Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/10/11
Posts: 1002
Loc: Irvine, CA
I recently doing an average of how far my piano parents drive to me for piano lesson...this is what I got:
6.78 miles
I took their home address and google map to see what is the distance between their home to my studio and add up everyone then divided to get the average.
The longest distance I have is 18.5 mile and shortest is 0.9 mile.
How about your studio? I am interest to see other piano teacher doing the calculation and compare the numbers to find out what is a reasonable drive for parents to come to piano lesson?
Thanks!!
_________________________
http://ezpiano.org
Piano lessons in Irvine, CA
Watch the introduction video on YouTube
@ http://bit.ly/Ready123

Top
(ad) My Music Staff
Check out the new way to manage your music studio
#2116684 - 07/12/13 04:32 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Minniemay Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/09
Posts: 1702
Loc: CA
My most-distant student drove 3 hours, but that was just for a summer of coaching.

In my regular studio, the furthest away is 20 miles. The closest is 1 mile. Most are about 10-15 miles away.
_________________________
B.A., Piano, Piano Pegagogy, Music Ed.
M.M., Piano

Top
#2116693 - 07/12/13 05:11 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
AZNpiano Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 5422
Loc: Orange County, CA
It really depends on the family. I've had one family that traveled 36 miles one way to have lessons (in traffic, the drive takes one hour), and it was a case where the parents are much more serious than the kids. And then I've had over a dozen kids who can walk to their lessons. They are some of the most dedicated, hard-working kids anybody could have asked for. I've taught five kids who live on my street!
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member

Top
#2116760 - 07/12/13 08:49 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10349
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
I have known students who drove 1.5 - 2.5 hours one way. When your goal is studying at a top conservatory, attitudes toward driving distance evolve.
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#2116916 - 07/13/13 09:35 AM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Piano*Dad]
TimR Online   content
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/17/04
Posts: 3166
Loc: Virginia, USA
I drive 147 miles (one-way) to my trombone lesson.
_________________________
gotta go practice

Top
#2116946 - 07/13/13 11:32 AM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
When "parents" are mentioned, young children must be meant. While teens and adults might have the stamina, I think a 2 - 3 hour weekly commute for a child would be exhausting for a young child and such an arrangement wouldn't last long.

Top
#2116973 - 07/13/13 12:51 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: keystring]
kck Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 265
Originally Posted By: keystring
When "parents" are mentioned, young children must be meant. While teens and adults might have the stamina, I think a 2 - 3 hour weekly commute for a child would be exhausting for a young child and such an arrangement wouldn't last long.


I don't know people regularly doing 2-3 hours, I don't think. But 1-2 hour commute at our top notch music school isn't uncommon. This tends to be done by the extremely dedicated parent/kid combos, but all of them aren't even necessarily super advanced. Happy to be commuting less than 5 miles. smile
_________________________
Amateur musician, piano and violin parent

Top
#2116990 - 07/13/13 01:22 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
People do it, but how it is for the kids? The parent may be "dedicated", but it's the child who has to do the traveling, concentrate in the lesson, practice during the week etc. I had a neighbour who was about 17 when she was given a fantastic opportunity by a retired top teacher. Her parents drove her to another city every week - a 5 hour round trip - and if you heard the playing soaring out of that window, you'd know it was worth it. But she was not a young child, and she was definitely aiming for a career.

Top
#2117010 - 07/13/13 01:51 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: keystring]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10349
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Originally Posted By: keystring
When "parents" are mentioned, young children must be meant. While teens and adults might have the stamina, I think a 2 - 3 hour weekly commute for a child would be exhausting for a young child and such an arrangement wouldn't last long.


Why do you presume that? I had a late high schooler in mind, actually. Their parents are unlikely to give them the car keys and wish them a pleasant commute. smile
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#2117031 - 07/13/13 02:34 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Piano*Dad]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad

Why do you presume that? I had a late high schooler in mind, actually. Their parents are unlikely to give them the car keys and wish them a pleasant commute. smile

I presumed nothing but did surmise. The title says "How far are parents willing to drive for piano lessons?" I also know that more young children take lessons than older ones, and the asker's site gives me the impression that younger children are mostly involved.

In any case, "parents willing to drive" automatically excludes the idea of handing over car keys.

I did, in fact, hand over the car keys to my son as soon as he had his driver's license. The school was out of the area, and with rehearsals at 7:30 a.m. or going on to 10:00 p.m. or later, this was much easier on me.

Top
#2117102 - 07/13/13 05:14 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Piano*Dad]
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7311
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Originally Posted By: keystring
When "parents" are mentioned, young children must be meant. While teens and adults might have the stamina, I think a 2 - 3 hour weekly commute for a child would be exhausting for a young child and such an arrangement wouldn't last long.


Why do you presume that? I had a late high schooler in mind, actually. Their parents are unlikely to give them the car keys and wish them a pleasant commute. smile

That's today with our sissified kids. In the 1950s, I made a weekly R/T in our VW 90 miles each way, for my lesson. And that included driving through some really nasty Michigan winter blizzards.
_________________________
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA

Top
#2117106 - 07/13/13 05:24 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10349
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
You must have walked barefoot to school too, and uphill both ways … grin

Just tweaking you.

Funny you mention that. Now that I think about it, I did actually give my eldest the keys so he could drive to Virginia Beach for his weekend horn lessons. He was seventeen or eighteen. Ah, how quickly we forget. And as keystring notes, it sure is easier that way. Except for the accident statistics for young male drivers in the first two years after acquiring their license ...
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#2117113 - 07/13/13 05:40 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook

That's today with our sissified kids. In the 1950s, I made a weekly R/T in our VW 90 miles each way, for my lesson. And that included driving through some really nasty Michigan winter blizzards.

I'm not writing about what is done but what is optimum. A six year old child, for example, traveling an hour after a full day of school, for example, will be tired and not have the same concentration regardless of how much he "sucks it up". That was the same in the 1950's as it is now. I am interested in what is optimum, not in what trends exist either now or back then. These days kids are also yanked out of the home early in the morning because both parents work, and don't get to go home after school for the same reason. The kids of the affluent - who tend to be those who have lessons - are also over-enrolled in too many activities so that we constantly hear about both exhaustion and disinterest. Is it good because it's done?

Although I miss some things, I am not nostalgic for the good old days. There were right things and wrong things. But basically I look at what works and why it works. When it was done doesn't give me that.

I rode a school bus every day for 1 1/2 hours, and then had to do farm chores since my parents elected to become farmers, when I was a teen. I survived it and got a university education to boot. I also could not study the things I was interested in because there was no Internet so we were stuck with what was available (read: not much). We also had the idiocy in Canada's cold north that girls had to wear skirts. If "sissy" means to be like a girl, try standing out in subzero temperatures in howling wind waiting for a drafty rickety school bus while wearing shorts with bare legs if you're a guy. Just because we could do such things (had to) doesn't mean they were good.

Top
#2117125 - 07/13/13 06:04 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Piano*Dad]
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7311
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
You must have walked barefoot to school too, and uphill both ways … grin

Just tweaking you.

Funny you mention that. Now that I think about it, I did actually give my eldest the keys so he could drive to Virginia Beach for his weekend horn lessons. He was seventeen or eighteen. Ah, how quickly we forget. And as keystring notes, it sure is easier that way. Except for the accident statistics for young male drivers in the first two years after acquiring their license ...

Let me tell you that learning how to extricate myself from ditches, after spinning out on ice a couple of times, taught me how to really drive on snow and ice. Experience the best teacher? To keystring's comment - if we deny our children experiences, how will they ever grow up? Can life be learned from an xbox?
_________________________
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA

Top
#2117126 - 07/13/13 06:07 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: keystring]
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7311
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted By: keystring
.... try standing out in subzero temperatures in howling wind waiting for a drafty rickety school bus while wearing shorts with bare legs if you're a guy. Just because we could do such things (had to) doesn't mean they were good.

Been there, done that. Much of Michigan is further north than a lot of the Canadian populated areas. At -15 or -20, slacks or no slacks is of little consequence! BTW, there is a school of thought which states that adversity is actually good for our development.
_________________________
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA

Top
#2117128 - 07/13/13 06:08 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7311
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
BTW, have you ever heard trees explode because of the cold? It's rather awesome.
_________________________
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA

Top
#2117147 - 07/13/13 06:39 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
malkin Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/18/09
Posts: 2426
Loc: *sigh* Salt Lake City
Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook
BTW, have you ever heard trees explode because of the cold? It's rather awesome.


Does it make a sound if there's no one there to hear it?
or perhaps more to the point, is it any less awesome?
_________________________
A good student is one who makes the teacher feel like a good teacher.

Top
#2117155 - 07/13/13 07:04 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook

Been there, done that. Much of Michigan is further north than a lot of the Canadian populated areas. At -15 or -20, slacks or no slacks is of little consequence! BTW, there is a school of thought which states that adversity is actually good for our development.


I'm talking about northern Ontario, not the south where the weather is tempered by the Great Lakes (which also seems to be the case for Michigan). I doubt that you have ever stood outside in those temperatures for any length of time with bare legs, but I can tell you that any clothing makes a difference. In regards to freezing in the cold being "good" for you - day in and out means being sick a lot: sore throat, fever, running nose, coughing. Losing fingers and toes to frost bite is also not that great for the constitution, and believe me, these things did happen. By the way, we staged a sit-in one year and got the school administration to use its brains finally - slacks were allowed thereafter. Oh the lovely 1960's!

Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook
BTW, have you ever heard trees explode because of the cold? It's rather awesome.

Like rifle shots that echo in the silence. Yes, it is. smile This happened in the warmer snowbelt region which I think is at the latitude of Michigan. Further north you have only coniferous trees and these don't seem to behave the same way.

Top
#2117159 - 07/13/13 07:13 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10349
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Hey, you can get the rifle shots of trees exploding way down south in the land of cotton. Ice storms are awesome if you're in the right frame of mind.

BTW, all this competitive whining about cold and youthful endurance is becoming rather amusing. grin
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#2117163 - 07/13/13 07:17 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Piano*Dad]
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7311
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
I confess, the coldest it ever got when I was young was -42. Northern Ontario certainly gets colder!

And Keystring, once the lakes freeze over, which they did back in the 40s and 50s, they might as well not be there! No warming whatsoever.
_________________________
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA

Top
#2117165 - 07/13/13 07:21 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7311
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
BTW, as I recall, my three sisters all wore woolen knee socks underneath their rather long skits wool skirts. I suspect that was at least as warm as a pair of wash pants (we weren't allowed to wear jeans to school).
_________________________
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA

Top
#2117166 - 07/13/13 07:23 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook

And Keystring, once the lakes freeze over, which they did back in the 40s and 50s, they might as well not be there! No warming whatsoever.

The danger now with global warming is that the lakes don't freeze solid, and they thaw sooner too. I remember watching an ice house or two sailing by at the end of winter. laugh One life saver is knowing that snow never goes below the freezing temperature of water, and if caught in a storm, burrowing into a snowbank just might save you.

Actually you've brought back a few good memories too. I loved listening to the trees crack in the winter, and the absolute silence as everything was muted by the thick snow. The 1 1/2 hour drive to school also went through some spectacular scenery.

Well, we've really derailed that one! grin


Edited by keystring (07/13/13 07:43 PM)

Top
#2117197 - 07/13/13 09:13 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
childofparadise2002 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/13/04
Posts: 540
It's probably very common for high-achieving kids (in music, and in any area of study, really) to run out of local options at some point of development. I also know parents who drive kids 1-2 hours one-way for music lessons----probably still easier than the traveling sports team, though. There are also parents (in US and elsewhere) who travel with kids by train or air on a weekly basis to seek lessons from the best teachers they can find in the country. For sports and academics, some kids live away from home in teenage years in order to be with the best coach or the best school... The talent development research that I've read has all indicated that dedicated parental involvement, including the willingness to drive kids to lessons and competitions (this is more for sports), is one of the essential factors for kids' success.

Top
#2117202 - 07/13/13 09:23 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
AZNpiano Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 5422
Loc: Orange County, CA
Interesting lesson on geography and climatology.
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member

Top
#2117213 - 07/13/13 09:39 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
rlinkt Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/08/12
Posts: 305
Loc: CA
Deleted


Edited by rlinkt (07/13/13 10:41 PM)

Top
#2117218 - 07/13/13 09:59 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Piano*Dad]
currawong Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/15/07
Posts: 5903
Loc: Down Under
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
BTW, all this competitive whining about cold and youthful endurance is becoming rather amusing. grin
Yep, I've enjoyed reading it! (Un)fortunately I've nothing to contribute, being from sunny down under. Midwinter here, and a mild 13C. smile
_________________________
Du holde Kunst...

Top
#2117223 - 07/13/13 10:11 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: rlinkt]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: rlinkt
Originally Posted By: John v.d.Brook
To keystring's comment - if we deny our children experiences, how will they ever grow up? Can life be learned from an xbox?

+1

I didn't see that comment. I did NOT at ANY TIME advocate denying children experiences. I wrote in as comments began to drift to older students heading for a career, because "parents willing to drive" suggests young children. I wrote that for a young child of 6 or 7, long trips of an hour or more to lessons is not ideal because such children tire more quickly. Even if they force themselves to be attentive, it will be hard for them, and lessons that are closer by are more likely to be chosen. And this, in turn, was to answer the question in the header.

Where, in this, am I "denying children experiences"? And what does the Xbox have to do with it?

The other spin-off topic was that in the 1960's girls in northern Ontario were not allowed to wear long pants to protect their legs. Woolen socks weren't worn anymore by then. If a girl came to high school in slacks, the principal shamed them by wrapping them in newspaper for the day. Is this an experience that you would like modern children not to be "denied"? Yes, we have to learn to endure discomfort and pain in life, but not when it's imposed by sheer stupidity.

Top
#2117238 - 07/13/13 10:36 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: keystring]
currawong Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/15/07
Posts: 5903
Loc: Down Under
Originally Posted By: keystring
The other spin-off topic was that in the 1960's girls in northern Ontario were not allowed to wear long pants to protect their legs. Woolen socks weren't worn anymore by then. If a girl came to high school in slacks, the principal shamed them by wrapping them in newspaper for the day. Is this an experience that you would like modern children not to be "denied"? Yes, we have to learn to endure discomfort and pain in life, but not when it's imposed by sheer stupidity.
It's definitely stupid - I couldn't agree more. Even in sunny down under in the 60s we were allowed to wear thick black stockings in winter.
(I didn't read your posts as "denying children experiences" at all, btw)
_________________________
Du holde Kunst...

Top
#2117242 - 07/13/13 10:40 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: keystring]
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 7311
Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
I got the impression, perhaps not what you intended, that you weren't too happy facing life's vicissitudes, but I suspect that formed your character in a rather substantial manner. Unfortunately, there are too many parents who do shelter their children in the extreme, and this cannot be good for either the children nor society at large.
_________________________
"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA

Top
#2117270 - 07/13/13 11:28 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
AZNpiano Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/07/07
Posts: 5422
Loc: Orange County, CA
John--

I teach a studio full of sheltered children who live inside a giant bubble. For many of them, I'm the only adversity they'll face in life until they get into college, or until they finish grad school and try to find a job.

Some parents appreciate the adversity I provide. Others just want to keep the bubble adversity-free.
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member

Top
#2117281 - 07/13/13 11:42 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10349
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Originally Posted By: keystring
I wrote in as comments began to drift to older students heading for a career, because "parents willing to drive" suggests young children. I wrote that for a young child of 6 or 7, long trips of an hour or more to lessons is not ideal because such children tire more quickly


I don't find this particularly controversial. This is something most parents get intuitively. And no one seems to have disagreed with you. In fact, a review of the thread shows no one talking about substantial numbers of their seven year old students taking 2 hour trips to lessons. The discussion of long trips got more intense precisely in reference to older students with serious musical pursuits (and I'm one of those who brought that up). I have some experience at that, having schlepped a young one from Virginia to Ohio for training. And no, I haven't yet handed him the car keys for that. grin In fact, on most of the trips we left the driving to Delta, American, or USAir.
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#2117284 - 07/13/13 11:43 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Piano*Dad]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
Quote:
I wrote in as comments began to drift to older students heading for a career, because "parents willing to drive" suggests young children. I wrote that for a young child of 6 or 7, long trips of an hour or more to lessons is not ideal because such children tire more quickly


I don't find this particularly controversial.

Neither do I. You asked why I thought it involved younger children, and that was my answer to that question.

Top
#2117286 - 07/13/13 11:48 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: John v.d.Brook]
keystring Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/11/07
Posts: 11577
Loc: Canada
.


Edited by keystring (07/14/13 03:26 AM)

Top
#2117903 - 07/15/13 06:48 AM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Chris H. Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 2846
Loc: UK.
Distance seems to be a big issue for parents over here. I find that the vast majority of my students live within a mile or two and quite a lot are within walking distance. The main factor is that family commitments and schedules are stretched to the limits. There is simply not time for people to spend an hour driving to and from piano lessons. Most complain to me if the journey takes longer than ten minutes due to traffic or road works. I also teach in a school where it is just more convenient for parents who then don't even need to bother taking their kids anywhere outside of school hours.

This has actually influenced my decision whether or not to move house. If I moved even five or ten miles to the next town I would probably lose over half my teaching practice.
_________________________
Pianist and piano teacher.

Top
#2117945 - 07/15/13 09:49 AM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Piano*Dad Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10349
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Quote:
This has actually influenced my decision whether or not to move house. If I moved even five or ten miles to the next town I would probably lose over half my teaching practice.


Ouch, Chris. That's terrible lock-in. And it doesn't say a whole heck of a lot positive about the motivations of the families that make up that half of your student population.

If you did move, how long do you suppose it would take for you to push the numbers back to normal?
_________________________
Grotrian 192 #156455

https://www.youtube.com/user/dhfeld/videos

Top
#2117983 - 07/15/13 11:40 AM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
MaggieGirl Offline
Full Member

Registered: 09/18/11
Posts: 471
For us a lesson can't be more than 40 minutes away and that long of a drive is really for areas she is already excelling and we can't find the same instruction close to home.

I was one who never thought I'd drive 20 minutes(later I was driving the 40) And then I was the mom who said she would never have before school lessons for her kid (started these 2 years ago) and then I was the mom who said - You have to be there at 5am?! It's not important enough that we would ever have to be 30 minutes away and have to be somewhere at 5am (this weekend began lessons where I have to get up at 3:45am to get her there and ready by 5am).

I think parents driving their kids long travel times tend to be highly committed...because now they have invested not only their money but also a lot of their own time.

Top
#2118015 - 07/15/13 12:58 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Chris H. Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 2846
Loc: UK.
If you live in a more densely populated area there will always be a piano teacher in close proximity. The problem I have is that there are several teachers in my town so many people simply go with the closest or cheapest. The more motivated and commited students might stay loyal and be willing to travel further but these students do not make up the majority of any full time teaching studio.

If I did move it would probably take a year to get back to a full book but that's a long time to manage on a part time income.
_________________________
Pianist and piano teacher.

Top
#2118027 - 07/15/13 01:16 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
The Monkeys Online   content
Full Member

Registered: 01/13/12
Posts: 422
Loc: Vancouver BC
I think it is not if the parents are willing to drive a longer distance for lessons. If they see the value, most will. MaggieGirl would do. I have a close friend drive her kids 1 hour one way for piano lessons.

For what I know, this is how parents find piano teachers:
1. Referral
2. Search by qualifications

This is how parents select piano teachers:
1. Available lesson time that fits schedule
2. Distance
3. Price

In the populated regions, with the above process, parents are most likely able to find a piano teacher close by. It is not that the parents are not willing to drive, it is just that they don't have to.

Referral should be the top student source of a teacher. If it is not, there is a problem.

And the dark secret: the difference, it is not the musical or teaching skills. Like all service oriented business, it is the people skills.

Top
#2118040 - 07/15/13 01:41 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Chris H. Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/14/05
Posts: 2846
Loc: UK.
Monkeys, I would agree with almost everything you said except that parents seek teachers by qualifications. In all my years of teaching I have hardly ever been asked about qualifications. The mistaken assumption is that highly qualifified teachers are not needed for teaching a beginner the basics. I have been told countless times by people that they are just looking for a teacher to 'get them started' and that they will look for a better (more expensive) teacher if they turn out to be any good at it. Same thing with spending money on a decent instrument unfortunately.

Also a lot of people now find teachers through Internet searching. So it's not the musical skills, teaching skills or people skills that count. It's the IT skills!
_________________________
Pianist and piano teacher.

Top
#2118050 - 07/15/13 02:02 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
childofparadise2002 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/13/04
Posts: 540
Parents need to have some ideas about music instructions in order to find the right teacher. I never had instrument lessons as a kid. As an adult student, I found my first teacher based on recommendations from a local music school, personality, and qualifications (the teacher had a bachelor’s degree in a music field). Within a few months I was able to see that the teacher’s training and what I needed from a teacher were a mismatch. I learned my lesson, and did research (there are actually lots of books and articles out there for parents). Later on when I looked for teachers for me and for my children, I was able to find teachers who have the qualifications that suit our needs, and who have the right chemistry with the students.

I have been and still am willing to drive my kids for an hour (even when they were 6) to the right teacher (or class) if that activity is what my kids are good at and enthusiastic about.

Top
#2123333 - 07/26/13 01:32 PM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: ezpiano.org]
Daytripper75 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 13
I drive my daughter 21.57 miles 2x a week. We probably pass 200 piano teachers on the way to her lessons. Totally worth every mile.

Top
#2123628 - 07/27/13 01:46 AM Re: How far parents willing to drive for piano lessons? [Re: Daytripper75]
Peter K. Mose Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/06/12
Posts: 1317
Loc: Toronto, Ontario
Originally Posted By: Daytripper75
I drive my daughter 21.57 miles 2x a week. We probably pass 200 piano teachers on the way to her lessons.


I hope you wave at a few of them. Though if you waved at them all, you'd be waving constantly. We're everywhere....

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Ken Knapp 
What's Hot!!
Our latest Issue is available now...
Piano News - Interesting & Fun Piano Related Newsletter! (free)
-------------------
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
159 registered (ajames, AndresD, aDino, Alex1, Abby Pianoman, 47 invisible), 1765 Guests and 14 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
75584 Members
42 Forums
156282 Topics
2295183 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Some interesting finds in a museum visit today!
by LarryShone
10 minutes 23 seconds ago
Help with a Bluthner
by Classicalist
21 minutes 51 seconds ago
Yamaha DGX650 - looking for an alternative! Need advice
by Karinioza
Today at 11:51 AM
Piano oriented film soundtracks/scores.
by aDino
Today at 11:21 AM
Help with dynamics
by noobpianist90
Today at 03:53 AM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission