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#2117174 - 07/13/13 07:40 PM Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....???
Luis Rosati Offline
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Registered: 12/09/12
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I was looking at the RD300nx and RD700nx and saw that the keyboard is not the same, then I searched the FP-50/80 and all those have different keyboards.Can some tell me the difference between those keyboards? Some of these have "escapement", what's that?

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#2117401 - 07/14/13 08:04 AM Re: Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....??? [Re: Luis Rosati]
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In my opinion, being beginner and having touched many of the different keyboards, the escapment feature is something only advanced players can take advantage of. For beginners it is only bringing you a subtle step closer to the feel of a real (acoustic piano) keyboard, but nothing which would ever influence your learning and playing experience in the first years.
The same about the rest, the difference between PHA-III, G and S: it is simply to summarize, that the former beeing the best and the latter the worst in feel and action, if hunting for the best emulation of a real keyboard. For the beginner it will be just a personal preference and no judgement based on any encountered real limitation put on your playing. You won't really be wrong to chose either a G or a PHA-III.
As a more advanced player, and somebody who from time to time would even have access to a real piano, you will only be willing to accept the best of the best in digital piano market, and as such appreciate the PHA-III (with escapement) to best support your joy of feeling well (best possible) connected with your instrument.
Finally it is to be kept in mind, that learning to play makes more fun on a perfect instrument than having to do it on a cheap, unprecise acting instrument. Learn on a really nice instrument. Afterwards, at intermediate level, enjoy being able to play on any kind of instrument. Ans finally, as a grown pianist, feel again the demand that only the best of the best will satisfy you.
Avoid to start with the "S" class quality, if your budget allows. Learn at least with "G" or better "PHA-III" and here choose depending on your available budget. In 5 years the digital piano market will have evolved again, therefore make your choice only for the first 4 or 5 years of learning. If you reach to still love piano playing still after 5 years, then you will anyway be a vicitim of the feeling to have to spend money on a new instrument again and will search for something better then, even if you have had already the best of todays market.

[EDIT: as others pointed out below in their posts, I confused the "S" and the "G"! Please, if reading the above, exchange in mind everywhere the "S" for a "G", and "G" for a "S". I am very sorry for the confusion caused.]


Edited by Marco M (07/16/13 03:44 AM)
Edit Reason: IMPORTANT CORRECTION
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#2117907 - 07/15/13 07:01 AM Re: Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....??? [Re: Luis Rosati]
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Marco M - I lived under the impression that "S" is better than "G" and "S" is basically the same as PHAIII (something about keys being made out of two pieces of plastic as opposed to one - unnoticable by the player, supposedly). How is it?

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#2117938 - 07/15/13 09:09 AM Re: Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....??? [Re: Hookxs]
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Yes, S is better than G.
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#2118007 - 07/15/13 12:46 PM Re: Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....??? [Re: Luis Rosati]
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The consensus seems to be that Ivory S-Feel is a kind of Roland PHAIII, and provided you like that action, it is very good indeed; a superior quality DP keyboard. Ivory G-Feel is the cheaper, lightweight version. It feels more stogy and not as pleasant to play as PHAIII.
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#2118026 - 07/15/13 01:16 PM Re: Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....??? [Re: Luis Rosati]
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The "S" version used to be designated as "PHA III Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement," but now is usually described by Roland simply as Ivory Feel-S. Although there is still some debate as to whether the action design is identical across the V-Piano, RD-700NX and FP-7F/80, the "S" is PHAIII without the two-tone plastic keys. My personal opinion is that there is no mechanical difference across all these models, but that the V-Piano's electronics, for example, allow for more subtle control, making it feel better subjectively.

The latest incarnation of Ivory Feel-G (in the FP-50) is very responsive, but takes a little getting used to if you've been used to a light action, as it tends to give the fingers more of a workout than PHAIII.
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#2118037 - 07/15/13 01:24 PM Re: Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....??? [Re: Luis Rosati]
peterws Offline
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The more expensive keyboards will have longer keys. So a small board will not be able to accommodate them without being a bit wider than you`d possibly like . .
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#2118388 - 07/16/13 04:12 AM Re: Roland Ivory feel G / S /PHA II / PHA III ....??? [Re: Hookxs]
Marco M Offline
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Registered: 08/28/12
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Originally Posted By: Hookxs
Marco M - I lived under the impression that "S" is better than "G" and "S" is basically the same as PHAIII (something about keys being made out of two pieces of plastic as opposed to one - unnoticable by the player, supposedly). How is it?


Damn! Indeed, I confused the "S" and the "G"! Please, if reading my above post, exchange in mind everywhere the "S" for a "G", and "G" for a "S". I am very sorry for the confusion caused. Doublechecked also with my older (there correct naming) posts on the topic. Thankfully we have a well alive forum, where such mistakes become detected! I added a correction on it to my original post, trying to keep damages from misinformation as small as possible, now.


I have no idea about the actual physical difference between the "S" and the "PHA-III", but I once compared side by side instruments featuring the one or the other, comparing them also electrically powered off to only sense for the feeling of the pure keyboards. I felt them to be different. I here could only speculate about reasons, and therefore prefer to just express my pure personal impression that I felt them to be different, how ever this may have been technically induced.
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