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#2118127 - 07/15/13 05:51 PM Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips
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What is the most durable piano being made today, vertical or grand?

I have to admit, I was much impressed with a Kawai RX-2 I saw a few years ago...it was getting pummeled in an un-airconditioned, apostolic, foot-washin' Pentecostal church, at least 3 services a week.

Not to mention it had a heckuva dent in the case, where Sister So&so swung a chair into it while filled with the Holy Ghost.

Who makes today's most durable piano?
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#2118133 - 07/15/13 06:00 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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You need to define "durable". Your example doesn't do much to explain what you're thinking of. Did it still hold a tune beautifully? Still remain standing? Just because it was being pummeled doesn't make it durable.

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#2118143 - 07/15/13 06:21 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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Hi Jolly,

For my money, the Yamaha "U" series can take the most abuse and still play and sound nice. Of the institutional pianos I know, that's the one that lasts the longest, and with the most dignity all the way to the end.
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#2118171 - 07/15/13 07:21 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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#2118186 - 07/15/13 08:07 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: laguna_greg]
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Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
Hi Jolly,

For my money, the Yamaha "U" series can take the most abuse and still play and sound nice. Of the institutional pianos I know, that's the one that lasts the longest, and with the most dignity all the way to the end.


Good answer.

May I add the Baldwin 243 to the list?

I remember one example that soldiered on for years in an elementary school...it didn't have castors on one side, so the right side of the piano sat on two bricks...
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#2118187 - 07/15/13 08:10 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
You need to define "durable". Your example doesn't do much to explain what you're thinking of. Did it still hold a tune beautifully? Still remain standing? Just because it was being pummeled doesn't make it durable.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/durable
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#2118199 - 07/15/13 08:25 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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Originally Posted By: Jolly
May I add the Baldwin 243 to the list?

I have an older Baldwin 243 studio upright, and I agree that it is pretty tough...

I pound on it pretty hard, and it doesn't protest much at all. smile

I do like the traditional Baldwin tone as well; and it has good tuning stability.

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#2118206 - 07/15/13 08:36 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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Jolly, didn't you ask about new pianos?

"What is the most durable piano being made today, vertical or grand?"

The Charles Walter pianos are as solid as they get. They survive the 'angelic' treatment they get in churches. Shigeru is also up there in build quality. The Faz is incredibly well built, but I don't know how much abuse they get.

For older pianos, let us not forget all those abused, and still playable, Hamilton studios. Go into almost any public school in the US and you will still find them doin' their duty!
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#2118215 - 07/15/13 08:42 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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Yep, the Walter is quite a contender.

Shame you don't see more of them in schools...
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#2118216 - 07/15/13 08:44 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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Originally Posted By: Jolly
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
You need to define "durable". Your example doesn't do much to explain what you're thinking of. Did it still hold a tune beautifully? Still remain standing? Just because it was being pummeled doesn't make it durable.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/durable
Not a good answer. In a later example you gave, saying a piano "soldiered on" seems rather meaningless to me?

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#2118220 - 07/15/13 08:52 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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Originally Posted By: Jolly
Yep, the Walter is quite a contender.

Shame you don't see more of them in schools...

It is a shame, but they aren't built in the quantities needed to fill the bill. I wonder if they might be found in private schools?
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#2118221 - 07/15/13 08:53 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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PLU - Does it matter? Everyone else understands what Jolly is asking.
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#2118227 - 07/15/13 09:05 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
PLU - Does it matter? Everyone else understands what Jolly is asking.
I'm not sure even Jolly understands what he's asking. His "examples" are meaningless IMO.

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#2118231 - 07/15/13 09:14 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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Originally Posted By: Pianoloverus
I'm not sure even Jolly understands what he's asking. His "examples" are meaningless IMO.

Sure he does, or he wouldn't ask. And, just because you find his examples meaningless doesn't mean others do as well.

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#2118235 - 07/15/13 09:21 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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I'm about to get a rakin' over the coals for this, but Steinway is a proven, exceedingly durable piano. Always was, still is. Even in horrible situations, they rarely let you down.
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#2118244 - 07/15/13 09:35 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
I'm about to get a rakin' over the coals for this, but Steinway is a proven, exceedingly durable piano. Always was, still is. Even in horrible situations, they rarely let you down.



I've run across several K52's that have stood the test of time quite well.

Wonder if the new ones are as tough as the old ones?
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#2118259 - 07/15/13 09:55 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: pianoloverus]
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PLU - Does it matter? Everyone else understands what Jolly is asking.
I'm not sure even Jolly understands what he's asking. His "examples" are meaningless IMO.


Ok, then let us specify the failure rate of the bridle on Middle C for verticals, using various and sundry actions, excluding the current Fandrich design and the Wood&Brooks 90-degree inverted.

The piano will be played by a red-headed midget, seasoned for destination, with a downstroke of the middle right finger of exactly 2.201 pounds, assuming gravity at sea level. At the equator. Every day, from 8pm until midnight.

Since this is an exact, and torturous example, let us specify the piece played will be a continuous repetition of Fur Elise.

Guns will not be allowed in the room, while the performance is taking place.

Alternatively, we could always ponder that if a hen and a half, could lay an egg and a half, in a day and a half, how long would it take a one-eyed, wooden legged grasshopper (common) to learn chopstix while silmultaneously kicking half the seeds out of a fifteen pound Black Diamond watermelon?
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#2118266 - 07/15/13 10:20 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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The new Steinways will definitely pass the red headed midget test. I'm not so sure about an infestation of wooden legged grasshoppers, however. They tend to squish and gum up the action.

In the last couple of years, I have been quite blown away by the reissue of the S&S-O. Gone are the days of the fit and finish problems which plagued S&S-NY in the recent past. They have always been well built and the problems have never stemmed from a lack of solidity.
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#2118281 - 07/15/13 10:57 PM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Jolly]
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My answer would be a Mason & Hamlin. More rim, more plate, more struts... heftier everything.
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#2118419 - 07/16/13 07:11 AM Re: Tougher Than Woodpecker Lips [Re: Rich Galassini]
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My answer would be a Mason & Hamlin. More rim, more plate, more struts... heftier everything.


The grands are certainly built like a tank.
I've often heard their soundboards retain crown better than any other piano.

True?
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