Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
73 registered (beet31425, AZNpiano, AndyP, anotherscott, 18 invisible), 1087 Guests and 15 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Topic Options
#2118202 - 07/15/13 08:31 PM Key Leveling Immortalized on Film
Chris Storch Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/13/09
Posts: 211
Loc: Massachusetts
Can anyone postulate a reason why a key leveling job like this would have made it to video? It looks horrible.


The Amazon.com review of the DVD quotes Clavier magazine, Walden Hughes the reviewer:
"This is a visually stunning disc choreographed with unusual camera angles and recorded on 1925 Bosendorfer in splendid condition."

I can't verify the "in splendid condition" remark, but the "unusual camera angles" drew my attention to the key leveling instantly.

I know there are some techs whose goal is to set aftertouch as evenly as possible by varying the dip. But I've never heard of varying the key height to achieve evenness of aftertouch.

I'm at a loss as to why the keys looks like this. Any theories? Would this have been done on purpose?
Chris Storch
Acoustician / Piano Technician

(ad PTG 757) The Value of PTG Membership
The Value of a PTG Membership
#2118214 - 07/15/13 08:42 PM Re: Key Leveling Immortalized on Film [Re: Chris Storch]
BDB Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/07/03
Posts: 21912
Loc: Oakland
Although I would not leave them like that, it certainly reinforces my belief that spending too much time on things like leveling keys is just a waste of time and money. A good pianist will play well despite little discrepancies in regulation.
Semipro Tech

#2118253 - 07/15/13 09:44 PM Re: Key Leveling Immortalized on Film [Re: Chris Storch]
beethoven986 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/20/09
Posts: 3367
This certainly wouldn't have been done on purpose. Yes, there are little discrepancies that come up during regulation, but not to the degree that is evident in the video.

Consistent aftertouch is essential to any good regulation, and this spec is typically .030" to .045". Any less than .030" could result in clearance issues and a hard feeling follow through. Anything more than .045" will tend to feel sloppy. In either direction, the action will eventually not be functional, period. Using high quality felt punchings, and as few cardboard/paper punchings as possible, will help ensure an accurate and stable regulation.

Key height and the hammer line always made consistent. However, the actual note to note blow distance varies due to uneven string height.

Dip can be sacrificed to an extent, as slight variations of a few thousandths of an inch will go unnoticed by the pianist. In a modern piano, the acceptable dip range is 9.5mm to 10.5mm, but the optimal setting depends on hammer blow (45mm-48mm), let-off (1.5mm-2mm, 3mm for bass), and the action ratio (5.3:1-6.1:1).
B.Mus. Piano Performance 2009
M.Mus. Piano Performance & Literature 2011
PTG Associate Member
Certified Dampp-Chaser installer

#2118423 - 07/16/13 07:38 AM Re: Key Leveling Immortalized on Film [Re: Chris Storch]
Maximillyan Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/11
Posts: 1550
Loc: KZ
For Valentina level of key is trifle . He hovers over the ocean of music. She will play on any piano " wood -cardboard -China-piano" without original name and all in the audience will happy from her interpretation.
Glory to the Russian piano School!

#2118442 - 07/16/13 08:52 AM Re: Key Leveling Immortalized on Film [Re: Chris Storch]
Chris Leslie Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/01/11
Posts: 756
Loc: Canberra, ACT, Australia
The Bosy was not in splendid condition. It was in original 1925 shape, old hammers, strings and unregulated. It was not easy to play with 75 to 120 grams of weight on each key. Never-the-less, Valentina still managed to perform those early clips using it. There was not the resources back then for anything better. Not even a tuner could be afforded, let alone regulation.
Chris Leslie
Piano technician

#2118475 - 07/16/13 10:29 AM Re: Key Leveling Immortalized on Film [Re: Chris Storch]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014

Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7439
Loc: Rochester MN
Her prom dress should have been regulated, however.

Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.

#2118780 - 07/16/13 09:33 PM Re: Key Leveling Immortalized on Film [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Maximillyan Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/11
Posts: 1550
Loc: KZ
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Her prom dress should have been regulated, however.


Even if Valentine wrapped in straitjacket , ocean's sounds will pour out from her Grand

#2119127 - 07/17/13 02:56 PM Re: Key Leveling Immortalized on Film [Re: Chris Storch]
Carbonblob Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/26/13
Posts: 370
Loc: Los Angeles, Ca.
with max on this one. she seemed to float on those keys yet so powerful. wow....blob


Moderator:  Piano World 
What's Hot!!
Christmas Header
- > Gift Ideas for Music Lovers < -
From PianoSupplies.com a division of Piano World.
The December Free Piano Newsletter
Forums Rules & Help
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) Piano Music Sale - Dover Publications
Piano Music Sale
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Blubbering and friction
by music32
12/19/14 03:22 AM
Merry Christmas!
by ZikO
12/19/14 03:05 AM
Urgent need of help to learn Songs
by Fominator
12/19/14 02:11 AM
Freaked out by how roughly movers handled piano, need advice
by kaustin
12/19/14 01:36 AM
Freaked out by how roughly movers handled piano, need advice
by kaustin
12/19/14 01:30 AM
Forum Stats
77349 Members
42 Forums
159972 Topics
2349282 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |

copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission