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#2119505 - 07/18/13 08:18 AM Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B)
eccp19 Offline
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Hi teachers,

I have a relatively new student who started with me when he had just begun piano adventures 2b. This kid is a more talented student than most I have taught at his level. He has a great ear and arranges pop songs, has great dexterity on the keys, and is learning his pieces in piano adventures in a matter of a couple days. Yesterday at his lesson, he said "I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, but these songs are just kind of dull"

Anyway, I am really wanting to help this kid grow into a great musician and I can tell he is hungry. So a couple of questions.

1)I was thinking of switching him to Keith Snell's method with a strong emphasis on classical and "real" pieces. I would include the scales and theory book.

2)Do you have any appropriate piece recommendations that are "fast and fun" at his level of 2B/3A?

3)Do you think Satie's Gymnopedie no.1 could be a good selection for him?

Thanks so much!

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#2119573 - 07/18/13 11:25 AM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
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How old is this kid?

If the kid likes "fast and fun" pieces, then Gymnopedie no. 1 will be lethally dull. What is the kid "hungry" for? More classical pieces? Or more contemporary stuff? If he has the ears to arrange pop songs, then why don't you look into the pop arrangements that are available at this level?
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#2119607 - 07/18/13 12:10 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
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What I do is I finish the teachers assignments at the start of the week right after the lesson as fast as I can. Then I run thru them a few times everyday (i found cramming them all a day or so before i messed up a lot in the lessons). Once I'm able to run thru them, I start using my "practice" time on my own things that I have fun with. I mean if the things are super easy for him, just advise him to find some things he enjoys once he finishes those?
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#2119690 - 07/18/13 03:15 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
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Instead of changing to another method, have you considered supplementing the lesson book with a variety of pieces? For example, add a Spanish performance book (Catherine Rollin?), add a Jazz method (Christopher Norton Microjazz?), or if you believe he is interested in classical, perhaps Kabalevsky? or Burgmueller Op100? or Gillock Lyric Preludes? Or Vandall! Vandall is lots of modal pieces, preludes, awesome material. If your student isn't quite ready for these particular pieces, perhaps "step him up" to this level with other similar choices at a lower level, or selected sheet music. Continue PA2B, but use it as a concept book. Teach him the new concept, give him a few pieces to practice that concept, and move on to performance (also sequenced and coordianated with the concepts). Of cours, PA also has supplemental materials to look at - perhaps that would be the choice if it's an issue with difficulty. Goldstar? Pop rep?, etc. Let us know what you end up assigning this student.

#2119692 - 07/18/13 03:25 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
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When my students are in PA 2B I supplement with the following:

FJH's Jazz/Rags/Blues series
Snell Repertoire or Developing Artist series (for original classical works)
FJH's 'Fantastic Fingers' Bk 2 (Goldston)
Melody Bober's 'Just For Fun' Bk 1 (lots of fun and interesting pieces)
R Vandall's 'Celebrate Piano Duets' Bk 1
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#2119694 - 07/18/13 03:28 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
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If you do decide on Gymnopedie no. 1, I was just reading this guide of how to teach it to a beginner yesterday: http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=4710.msg44538#msg44538
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#2119736 - 07/18/13 04:50 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
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Loc: Iowa City, IA
I agree with Joyce.
"If we continually try to force a child to do what he is afraid to do, he will become more timid, and will use his brains and energy, not to explore the unknown, but to find ways to avoid the pressures we put on him." (John Holt)


#2119822 - 07/18/13 08:09 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
pianogirl87 Offline
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The above suggestions are good, and I'll add one more. Try the ChordTime Popular book by Faber. Lots of great arrangements of both older and more recent songs.
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#2119870 - 07/18/13 09:47 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
John v.d.Brook Offline
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Loc: Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted By: eccp19
1)I was thinking of switching him to Keith Snell's method with a strong emphasis on classical and "real" pieces. I would include the scales and theory book.

You probably mean Keith Snell's Piano Repertoire Series. I have two students for whom this is absolutely perfect, and several others that this is a really bad fit. If the student likes the more structured classical lit, give it a try.
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#2120313 - 07/19/13 07:33 PM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
eccp19 Offline
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Loc: United States
Thank you all for your replies. All great suggestions.

I am going to continue teaching him in 2b but perhaps move through it a bit faster as we supplement with other works. I found some great pieces that I think he will like in Faber's Developing Artist book 1.

God bless

#2120413 - 07/20/13 03:23 AM Re: Talented Student Tired of Piano Adventures (2B) [Re: eccp19]
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Faber moves a bit slowly overall, compared with other methods. I find that the later levels (3B and beyond), start to have more attractive repertoire. Perhaps skip him up a few levels, as well as supplement him with other stuff.


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