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#2119564 - 07/18/13 11:04 AM Question on how to add rests (theory)
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I have a theory question, and I hope someone could please answer it. I was wondering on how to add rests for a particular situation. Let’s say that at the beginning of a beat in common time, there is a thirty-second note. Which of the following choices would be correct, or could they both be correct:

1. Finish the beat with a thirty-second rest, a sixteenth rest, and an eighth rest

or

2. Finish the beat with a double dotted eighth rest.

Would the answer be the same if the thirty-second note was at the end of the beat and you had to add rests to complete the first portion of the beat?



Thanks


Edited by Musilove (07/18/13 11:06 AM)

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#2119579 - 07/18/13 11:35 AM Re: Question on how to add rests (theory) [Re: Musilove]
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1. Yes, correct.
2. Also correct. Now double dots have a problem which is they are not very common. So it might be more readable to have the first. You could also have a 32nd note rest and a dotted 8th note.

For what it's worth, Finale (music editor) will do your #1.

And yes, same for the beginning and the end though you would reverse the order of the rests.


Edited by Andy Platt (07/18/13 11:40 AM)
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#2119595 - 07/18/13 11:56 AM Re: Question on how to add rests (theory) [Re: Musilove]
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Thank you. That was very helpful.

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#2119612 - 07/18/13 12:26 PM Re: Question on how to add rests (theory) [Re: Musilove]
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I am not sure #2 is correct. What I have learned, from two separate sources, is that dotted partial-beat rests are to be avoided if they don't start at the beginning of the beat. Music engraving standards may have changed, so I hesitate to state this with complete confidence, but it does cause me to scrutinize dotted rests carefully.

You might ask this in the Composers Corner; there are some experienced folks in music engraving there.
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#2119665 - 07/18/13 01:54 PM Re: Question on how to add rests (theory) [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
I am not sure #2 is correct. What I have learned, from two separate sources, is that dotted partial-beat rests are to be avoided if they don't start at the beginning of the beat. Music engraving standards may have changed, so I hesitate to state this with complete confidence, but it does cause me to scrutinize dotted rests carefully.

You might ask this in the Composers Corner; there are some experienced folks in music engraving there.

I'm almost certain this is correct. And even with the note at the end of the bar, it would seem simpler and clearer to use the OP's #1 instead of bothering with double dotted rests.
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#2119666 - 07/18/13 01:59 PM Re: Question on how to add rests (theory) [Re: Musilove]
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If I recall correctly, one of my sources only used dotted rests for whole beats in compound meter, or combinations of whole beats starting on a strong or intermediate (but not weak) beat in compound meter. But I'm not sure of my memory on that, which is why I didn't say anything categorically against the other case mentioned, of rest(s) followed by a thirty-second note at the end of a beat.
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#2121318 - 07/22/13 01:05 AM Re: Question on how to add rests (theory) [Re: Musilove]
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Both would be correct. And in that specific case either could be used. As long as the next note/rest lines up with the beginning of beat 2, it'll be fairly easy to read. If I saw a double dotted rest, I'd simply look at where the next note falls, since the rest is just a placeholder.
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