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#2122526 - 07/24/13 09:08 PM A hypothetical purchase of a digital piano
dynamobt Offline
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If money was not an issue, and finding the closest sound and feel to a grand piano was the goal, what digital piano would you buy and why?

This is hypothetical for now as I am very happy with my M & H grand. But, there may come a time when silent practicing would be a real plus. Yet, after the Mason & Hamlin, a digital piano has a hard act to follow. I've become spoiled. Or let us say, "very discriminating".



Edited by dynamobt (07/25/13 04:09 PM)
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#2122527 - 07/24/13 09:15 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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Yamaha AvantGrand N3.
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#2122529 - 07/24/13 09:18 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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VPC1 + Pianoteq

Its the V-piano without the obsolescence and unfixable modeling errors of the V-piano. And it has a better keyboard. Forget about samples. They have never worked, and never will.
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#2122557 - 07/24/13 10:20 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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Samples "never worked and never will"??
Really? They work just fine here!

Can't you find something better to do than complain about the V ?
You sound like a broken record, droning on and on, singing the same, negative tune.
Opinions are fine. Informed opinions are better.
But rants offer nothing but a poor picture of the ranter.

RD700 is just another evolutionary dead end bad investment
Prices are going to collapse
I predict a lot of casio owners will be putting their units up for sale in the next few years.
What have the clowns in the conservatories and university produced?
Don't let the super satisfied Casio full meal deal people fool you.
And the prices of these "advanced" piano's are a joke.
Seems the rabid dp enthusiasts believe something ...
The Roland V-Piano! (that is currently collecting dust at the dealership)
The V-Piano is the most overhyped excuse of a piano on the planet. And the V-grand? Can't imagine a sucker who could be that slow to buy that abomination.
The Roland SuperNatural should be renamed SuperUnNatural.
Then it dawned on me. A fake piano is a consumer device. No wonder the warranties are all hokey.
The digital piano arms race is a racket to empty the bank accounts of fools.
The digitals all get wonderful reviews and yet at the same time they all suck.
The reason the 850 is so cheap, is that the consumer is playing a dangerous game here concerning support for warranty claims and how long parts will be available.
I informed my local Steinway dealer that I wouldn't pay more than $3000 cdn (including shipping) for a new Essex EUP108C. They said go away.


... and ...

Signing off...my last post in the digital forum (7/11/2013)
BUT IT WASN'T!

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#2122576 - 07/24/13 11:47 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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If money weren't an issue then I'd get one of the Yamaha silent series.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-i...-sh/?mode=model

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#2122580 - 07/24/13 11:56 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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#2122586 - 07/25/13 12:17 AM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: peterws]
Trstan993 Offline
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I would put in a pianodisc midi system in an acoustic Steinway D and use it with Ivory2 SteinwayD as a digital piano smile .. you did say money is not an issue right?


Edited by Trstan993 (07/25/13 12:19 AM)

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#2122627 - 07/25/13 02:10 AM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: Allan W.]
Tyruke Offline
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Originally Posted By: Allan W.
If money weren't an issue then I'd get one of the Yamaha silent series.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-i...-sh/?mode=model


I agree with you. I just saw this video of it and I think the new samples they've used for the silent system sound great.


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#2122656 - 07/25/13 04:14 AM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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dynamobt, I have read your post, here:

If money was not an issue, and finding the closest sound and feel to a grand piano was the goal, what digital piano would you buy and why?

This is hypothetical for now as I am very happy with my M & H grand. But, there may come a time when silent practicing would be a real plus. Yet, after the Mason & Hamlin, a digital piano has a hard act to follow. I've become spoiled. Or let us say, "very discriminating".

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In my lifetime of owning a vehicle, I only ever owned a pickup because a pickup can do what a car can't do. It is not a price, comfort or anything else. It is a pickup. Of all the people I knew
I was the only one who ever owned a pickup - and everbody else I knew owned a car of some description.


So if you buy a digial, you will be disappointed because it is not remotely like an acoutic piano.

So, if you buy an acoustic piano, you will be disappointed it is not remotely like a digital piano and you will not be able to play it silently at 2:00 a.m or quietly.

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#2122659 - 07/25/13 04:32 AM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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There is no digital that both sounds and feels like a grand.

Its high time to realize that the solution to 'silent practice' is *not* the nonsensical account emptying practice of buying whatever hopeless digital fad is in fashion.

The idiots in the acoustic piano biz need to realize that "cheaper" acoustics are not the answer to the ongoing piano sales drought, but instead providing soundproofing rooms.

Violinists don't put up with this electric madness, why do pianists fall for it?
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#2122684 - 07/25/13 07:03 AM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion


Violinists don't put up with this electric madness, why do pianists fall for it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_violinists
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#2122796 - 07/25/13 12:59 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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I enjoy hympothetical purchases.

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#2122818 - 07/25/13 01:56 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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I would second the Yamaha AG but a real Mason & Hamlim grand is a very tough act to follow. I wonder if a good solution for silent practice is to simply use a silent keyboard and let your imagination fill in the sound.

There are anecdotes of famous pianists practicing on such things while on the road.
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#2122872 - 07/25/13 03:57 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
dynamobt Offline
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I looked at the Yamaha Avant Grand. For one, I had no idea something like that existed! Also had no idea that something without strings could cost that much!!! But, I did say that cost was not an issue! LOL

What do people think of the CA series Kawai digital pianos?

As for nothing being anywhere near like my Masaon & Hamilin, I kind of figured that. Thing is, that we are looking into retirement communities for the future. They say pianos are fine. But, what if we moved in and found that people complained? It would be nice if I thought there were options out there to allow me to continue to play no matter the circumstances. So, thanks for the suggestions!
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#2122884 - 07/25/13 04:31 PM Re: A hypothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
Tritium Offline
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Loc: Western MA, USA
Originally Posted By: dynamobt
If money was not an issue, and finding the closest sound and feel to a grand piano was the goal, what digital piano would you buy and why?

This is hypothetical for now as I am very happy with my M & H grand. But, there may come a time when silent practicing would be a real plus. Yet, after the Mason & Hamlin, a digital piano has a hard act to follow. I've become spoiled. Or let us say, "very discriminating".



Hi Dynamobt,

My parents have a 1927 Mason & Hamlin A model grand. Damn M & H are gorgeous pianos with wonderful tone. And they are hand-made right here, in my home state of MA.

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#2122890 - 07/25/13 04:37 PM Re: A hypothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
dynamobt Offline
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So, Tritium, are you going to come on the Piano World Mason & Hamlin tour?? (I figure I can threadjack my own thread!!)
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#2122911 - 07/25/13 05:21 PM Re: A hypothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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Originally Posted By: dynamobt
So, Tritium, are you going to come on the Piano World Mason & Hamlin tour?? (I figure I can threadjack my own thread!!)


LOL, what is the Piano World Mason & Hamlin tour?

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#2122923 - 07/25/13 05:44 PM Re: A hypothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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Check down a little lower on the general forum page and see that Piano World is running a tour of M & H on September 9th at 9am. It's free and lunch follows with chance to play some new M & H pianos!!!!

It's listed under "Tours, meetings and other gatherings" or something along that line
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#2122991 - 07/25/13 08:02 PM Re: A hypothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
Tritium Offline
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Originally Posted By: dynamobt
Check down a little lower on the general forum page and see that Piano World is running a tour of M & H on September 9th at 9am. It's free and lunch follows with chance to play some new M & H pianos!!!!

It's listed under "Tours, meetings and other gatherings" or something along that line


Cool, thanks.

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#2123301 - 07/26/13 12:12 PM Re: A hypothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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Perhaps the Physispiano V100 ? Depending on how well it sounds over the speaker system they designed for the V100...

Purely for design, I like the CS10 a lot - much better than most other Polished Ebony "real" cabinet products of others, since in fact it IS a normal cabinet and you can easily completely hide the controls on the left side.

What if you could have a CS10 simply as a powered cabinet and attach your own laptop or Mac MINI to it with a good soft-piano that plays over the excellent speaker+ soundboard system. With touch curve editor of course. The absence of the internal engine could shave some cost. The fixed EQ stage in the amp/speaker system should stay of course to get a decent sound. VPC1 for people with thier own mixing and speaker setup / VPC-CS10 as an elegant all-in-one controller cabinet with even better GF. Just a thought...

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#2123352 - 07/26/13 02:08 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
There is no digital that both sounds and feels like a grand.


Plenty get close enough to the discerning pianist as to make little difference.

Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
Its high time to realize that the solution to 'silent practice' is *not* the nonsensical account emptying practice of buying whatever hopeless digital fad is in fashion.


Hmm, I'm not convinced by your "logic", incidentally, sorry and all that but my "hopeless digital fad"( a glorious Roland RD 700NX, plays and sounds just like a real grand piano, see above) didn't come anywhere near emptying my account, I'm quite well off at the moment, please, don't worry about my fanancial situation. In fact, it seems I could advise you.
Perhaps if you spend less time on forums and worked harder?

Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
The idiots in the acoustic piano biz need to realize that "cheaper" acoustics are not the answer to the ongoing piano sales drought, but instead providing soundproofing rooms.


The "idiots" in the acoustic piano biz are not resposible for the lack of soundproofing in the house or flat you live in, architects are.

Perhaps the "idiots" who design houses and flats should be aware of the need to increase soundproof rooms in order to improve the acoustic piano biz for the "idiots" who work in that?

Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
Violinists don't put up with this electric madness, why do pianists fall for it?


Violinists are idiots. Many pianists hold shares in electric companies, get wise, buy in!

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#2123378 - 07/26/13 03:22 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: slipperykeys]
Tritium Offline
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StarvingLion...a troll on a mission.

Making the world unsafe for digital pianos, one post at a time.


Edited by Tritium (07/26/13 05:05 PM)

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#2123428 - 07/26/13 05:08 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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I will have to ask Tom Lee if they include a 'sound proof' studio in the price of a Steinway D.
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#2123441 - 07/26/13 05:35 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: Vid]
Tritium Offline
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StarvingLion doesn't so much need a sound-proof room, as a fully padded room.



Edited by Tritium (07/26/13 05:47 PM)

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#2123442 - 07/26/13 05:44 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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He doesn't need one. He has one! (And they've given him with a voice-activated laptop.)

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#2123573 - 07/26/13 10:39 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: dynamobt]
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"a glorious Roland RD 700NX, plays and sounds just like a real grand piano"

Yeah, right. I guess thats why the RD700NX costs $2600 and the V-Piano $7000.

The V-Piano doesn't even have the action of a concert grand.
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#2123922 - 07/27/13 06:58 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
He doesn't need one. He has one! (And they've given him with a voice-activated laptop.)


Quote:tritium
(I have no idea how to double quote)


Dang you guys are mean lollllllll.

Very entertaining though. smile
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#2123986 - 07/27/13 09:56 PM Re: A hympothetical purchase of a digital piano [Re: Mta88]
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I would probably go with a KronosX 88 if I won the lottery.
Right now though I am very happy with my Korg SP280 and 61 key Krome.

If money were no object I would likely get a Steinway D and a Baldwin grand. When I win powerball i will get a Yamaha grand as well lol.
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