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#2122914 - 07/25/13 05:33 PM teach music, or just "songs?"
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Hello all!

I have a summer student, only two lessons in, and I felt like the mom (who sits in on lessons in the chair I provide for parents) was annoyed that I am not teaching cut-and-paste copy me songs for her entering third grade son.

They bought an old piano from a moving away neighbor and "struck while the iron was hot" as the son was interested in banging around.

He can stiff fingered BANG a couple of simple kid songs, but you cringe to watch!

I am using Faber and Faber (lessons, tech and art, theory, performance book is optional) with Music Tree as a simple workbook.
Mom "forgot" to buy the tech and art book.

After one lesson, they went on vacation, so I gave him typed out liner notes of how to do Music Tree. Since I also use that book for kindergarten students, I expected that he would knock out 1/2-3/4 of it, easy.

Well, he barely did 6 pages, and got almost half WRONG. Mom's response? "It seemed rather repetitive."

(Do these notes go up or down? Color the half notes one color, quarter notes another. Mark out the different symbol/pattern.)

I really think the mom wants me to show him a few chords, memorize the positioning, play a simple melody, and call it done.

I have explained that the exercises are just like in sports-repetition and exercise helps for the game. I have also said that music is another language and right now he is learning the lettering and recognizing sounds and patterns, he will get the words and the sentences as he goes...

At the first lesson, where I had him naming notes up, and then down the keyboard, he turned to mom and exclaimed with surprise, "Mom, this is HARD!"

And she nodded and agreed that if it was easy, everyone would do it.

But the came the second lesson, and I just felt a chill from her.

The boy was fine, but had not cracked open his books, just the Music Tree. I taught quickly, trying to show mom how much work there is, but I HAD to spend time relaxing those stiff fingers and wrists, and work on hand posture.

I think she thought that was time wasting.

Any ideas?

My schedule drastically changes in September, and he may not stay on my roster. So, it may be moot by then.


Anyway, some on-line piano teacher ads say, "learn to jam! will teach you whatever you want, any style."

But I am classically trained, and I teach piano lessons, not how to play latest pop song by rote.

Maybe we are not the right fit?

Any ideas?
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#2122951 - 07/25/13 06:51 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Quote:
Anyway, some on-line piano teacher ads say, "learn to jam! will teach you whatever you want, any style."

But I am classically trained, and I teach piano lessons, not how to play latest pop song by rote.

Maybe we are not the right fit?


I laugh when I read this part. Anyway, sound like both of you are not the right fit.
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#2122980 - 07/25/13 07:42 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: ezpiano.org]
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I think you're fit with the kid is fine, but it really isn't up to the two of you. It's up to mom, and that's where the fit may not be so good. Just go ahead and do what you do.
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#2123028 - 07/25/13 10:01 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
musicpassion Offline
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Originally Posted By: missbelle
the second lesson, and I just felt a chill from her.

Perhaps this isn't a teaching issue, but a mommy personality issue. I wonder if the poor student might also be tired of feeling bad vibes from mommy.
Anyway, a difficult parent is a very understandable reason to drop a student. There are some teachers who don't much care about the vibes mommy is giving off. So a transfer would be ok, and it might lower your stress level.
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#2123049 - 07/25/13 11:41 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Get mom out of your studio. No reason for her to be there, except to annoy both you and her son.

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#2123055 - 07/26/13 12:01 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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I am amazed by the hostility to parents from some of the teachers :-) We are not that bad, are we?

Talk to the mom. If there is a mismatch in expectations, its best to get it out in the open and move on. If not, she may as well know what to expect from lessons, and what is expected of her son, and be prepared for that.


Edited by rlinkt (07/26/13 12:06 AM)

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#2123076 - 07/26/13 01:02 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Ask yourself: Do you really want this kid (and his mother) as your student???

I wouldn't...run screaming from the room...
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#2123128 - 07/26/13 02:39 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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For students (and Mothers) like this:

Just treat it like a job. Take the money. Do what your conscience believes to be the bare minimum. And say goodbye to them come September.

If anything, people like this will help fill up the empty summer hours in your schedule. Heck, I can use a few of them right now while my regular students are on vacation.
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#2123217 - 07/26/13 09:43 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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This kid is the OP's "summer student". What does it mean? Is he a regular student who is taking lessons in the summer? Is he a new student who happens to start in the summer? Or is he really just going to have lessons with the OP in the summer and then be done with it?

Depending on the situation, there could be completely different expectations and approaches. My younger child had a few "summer lessons" with a neighborhood teacher before she officially started lessons with her actual teacher (because the teacher was not able to start teaching her in the summer but she couldn't wait). We made it very clear to the "interim" teacher that the few lessons were really just so that my kid could enjoy having lessons.

If this kid is just starting taking lessons, it may not be a bad idea to teach him a few songs, and ease him into a structured approach. Does everyone really have to start with a set of method books on day 1?

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#2123243 - 07/26/13 10:46 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Sounds to me like you aren't a good fit. If you don't really care if/when you lose them, then just tell the mom point-blank about how you are teaching ("giving him skills that he can use his whole life such as reading notes instead of instant gratification...") and I agree it would be a good policy for her to not sit in on the lessons. Alternatively, you could not say anything, and keep teaching him as you normally would, but drop regular hints in front of her about the benefits of what/how/why you are teaching you are teaching the way you are. Either way, I don't really expect they will last much longer with you.

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#2123554 - 07/26/13 09:53 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: rlinkt]
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Originally Posted By: rlinkt
We are not that bad, are we?

Some student parents are awesome people and I start to think of them as "aunt" so-and-so.

But others... to answer your question: yes. Some are "that bad."
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#2123745 - 07/27/13 10:25 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
missbelle Offline
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OP here-

By summer student, I mean brand new to me and to piano, a few weeks sampling over the summer, a student that "fell into my lap" for summer only, since the school schedule will most likely take away availability to teach this student since he is not associated with the school here I teach.

I ask each student, before arriving at first lesson, to hand write an answer to why they are taking piano lessons, so I can learn their goals/motivation. I do not expect music majors! I was only a minor, myself! Some want to learn hymns, others jazz, others to prep for band, or they were inspired at a recital. sometimes it is parental pressure. Funniest I ever had was from a 7th grade boy who wrote, "for the LADIES!"
I change up for each student, no two lessons are ever the same. I use lots of supplemental materials.

This boy wrote...let me check...
hmmm...
nothing.
No assignment turned in.

Well, and since the mom neglected to get all the books I asked for, and the boy did not do the work, and half of the bit he did was incorrect even with answers in the notebook and typed notes and the book itself, and mom did not even care and called it "repetitive," thenI will keep him on through August and then be done.

I will jump around and find some songs that I can teach him by rote. Hopefully his next teacher, if there is one, will see that he was given notes and information, and chose not to do the work.

ez-why did you laugh?

I admit, my world is rather sheltered- I attended a private college strong on fine arts, and now teach at a private school focused on academics, so I am mostly used to good students.

This boy is public school and (crucial info here?!?) mom claims he is autistic.

Now, I have been a teacher (preschool, grammar sub, and music/piano) for almost 20 years, and this boy shows only normal, so maybe he has awesome meds, or something.

Anyway, I was just frustrated, and now I feel better. I will not let the mom bug me.

As for the chair in my studio, eh, the few parents that stay are fine, and even helpful by encouraging practice.

This one? I may pretend I am being filmed and be extra Mary Poppins like and helpful and cheery.

and keep a private countdown of the few lessons left...
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#2123795 - 07/27/13 12:46 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Originally Posted By: missbelle
OP here-

This boy is public school and (crucial info here?!?) mom claims he is autistic.


Wow, talk about dropping a bomb at the last minute!

If he really is, no surprise he had trouble with that assignment.

If he really isn't, no surprise you'll have trouble with the mom.
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#2123809 - 07/27/13 01:33 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Personally, if this were my student and Mom wanted to hear "songs", I would put him in Pianimals. The method moves very slowly and the student plays songs immediately, from the very first intro session. I had a young new student play "Bubble-Gum" from the first Pianimals book at our Spring Recital! It is just a 5-finger exercise, but she loved it. I actually give that piece to everyone of my students at their intro/interview session so there were many smiles up and down the row of students waiting to play. Pianimals does basically the same thing as every other method except it is slowed down. First book is just finger numbers. Second book just letter names. Third book start note-reading in Middle C pattern. Once you complete the set you have moved to the G pattern and explored primary chords. But the pieces of music are great sounding. You can get samples from their website and you must order online. They are not stocked in music stores. This is my "go-to" method for extremely young and very needy students.

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#2123921 - 07/27/13 06:57 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Originally Posted By: missbelle

This one? I may pretend I am being filmed and be extra Mary Poppins like and helpful and cheery.

and keep a private countdown of the few lessons left...

Maybe you are not the right fit with the mom. The kid sounds fine.

I like the approach.

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#2124559 - 07/29/13 01:30 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Originally Posted By: missbelle
Funniest I ever had was from a 7th grade boy who wrote, "for the LADIES!"

I got that response once from a student. It was pretty funny.
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#2128503 - 08/05/13 01:36 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: AZNpiano]
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UPDATE!!

Had another lesson this morning.
He was excited to have picked out a nursery rhyme. I helped him get the fingering (using both hands, not jumping around and contorting, and even showed him how to play it in two keys, G and C)

Then we turned to the lesson books and worksheets. kid did not do half the work, and half of what he did do was horribly incorrect! Music alphabet written all discombobulated, not figuring out music line up or down, mixing up 2nds and 3rds, etc...

and then I noticed that he had done work on pages 30 and up in a book that I had only assigned up to 17, with strong guidance. Mom said, "Oh, he gets bored easily, so I let him work ahead."

"No, mom, he did not do the foundation work, and thus this in incorrect and needs re-doing. As you saw, because he had not done work assigned/did it incorrectly, I had to go back and assess what he did not understand and re-teach from other directions, to see what I missed. His lessons will progress faster if he does the practice work and pages I assign at home."

"Well, he is going into 3rd grade, and he should be able to read the pages and do the work on his own. I think he is losing his enthusiasm."

"Schools usually have a homework folder that parents see and sign weekly. Could you have him, just once a week, show you the assigned pages? See how I date them, here? And that also I have it written in the assignment notebook? It might help if you help him decipher my fast handwriting and check to see if YOU have any questions."

"well, he plays all the time, so I do not see why he is having such a hard time."

"Mom, there is a difference between playing and practicing. Playing is banging around, trying out sounds,etc...

Practicing is the exercise, theory, repetition, warm-ups, drills, etc...just like on a sports team. Practice is all the work before a game."

And they walked out the door and I shook the boy's hand and he ran back from the car and gave me a feather that had fallen.

So, I do think come September, the mom will declare that lessons are over.

And she will blame me for not being a good fit.

But...if she ever bothers to look at his books, she will see the guidance I gave that she ignored. I am not a miracle worker.

I gave him some fun songs. But I made him look at the music, not his fingers. (held a folder over his hands) And it was hard! But he did it, and even smiled and high-fived me! But mommy got frustrated.

Oh well.
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#2128602 - 08/05/13 06:08 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Good Job missbelle! I know those types of conversations are never fun to have! In my experience, when I have these types of conversations, things usually improve for a few weeks (meaning the student practices and does their assignments) and then they start slacking again. I like to describe these students as the kind that "like piano while they are at piano."

As for the Music Tree workbook, I've used it quite a bit myself and have some possible reasons he's not doing well with it:
1) He may not be reading the instructions before he completes the work (I've had kids copy the colors from one finger numbering page to another)
2) He may be a concrete thinker and the book is somewhat abstract (the notes are bigger than he is used to)
3) He may may be lacking in the spacial area (top, bottom, left, right- I've encountered this problem more than once!)
4) He may not be into coloring (seems to be a lot of that in this book!)
5) If he is brand new to piano, he may not fully understand intervals yet (it doesn't help that music intervals are not counted the same way as you would count on those nifty number lines taped to their desks at school!)

Anyway, I wish you luck! I have felt your pain!

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#2128676 - 08/05/13 09:34 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Brava, missbelle! You can't predict. He might be back in the fall, and mom will retreat. Or she might prevail, and you're out. But you did some good music work with her son, and he recognized it. And you stood up for your informed principles: that's the best one can do.

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#2128781 - 08/06/13 03:12 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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There are several problems with this situation. In my opinion, you should not take a young student if there is not a plan to continue through September. Every effort should be directed towards long-term success. Otherwise, don't bother.

Secondly, I would never expect them to go out and get books. You get them the books. Then they can ease into piano without all the worries.

I would never have them do stuff at home that I hadn't spent time on in the lesson, and definitely no written work. The first eight lessons are the most important. I teach mainly the names of the notes on the piano, maybe one tune to learn finger numbers, such as Jingle Bells, basic rhythm on the drum (ta ta ta ya), and basic hand posture (which you did). I don't even need a book for three or four weeks.

You must be absolutely sold on your method to project the confidence the mother needs to see in you.

I know in this forum, you always get people who agree with you and disagree with you. That makes it difficult to get the right advice. But, I really think you should rethink the first eight weeks.

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#2129435 - 08/07/13 01:43 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: Candywoman]
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Candy,
I always offer to get the books, but the mom said she would. I think she thought she could save money by internet shopping.

I go over each page assigned, and write the date, underline or circle pertinent info, I never blindly say, "go forth!"

The next lesson, if completed and done, I check it off. If it needs more work,or just a great warm-up or review, I check the old date and add another date. If not done at all, I mark a line through and add anther date. Easy system!

The Music Tree write-up was because he was going on vacation right after first lesson, and the only work to do is write numbers on a hand, color patterns, write ABCDEFG, and draw arrows up or down. I had my non-musical husband look over my notes and he said it was very easy. He was afraid it was too easy, and cautioned me to keep it to only K, 1st, and 2nd graders. And that is what I have done in the past, but with this new boy, not from my school, I figured I might need to do a bit of spoon feeding.

Anyway, my big question is, if you do no books for two months, do you give them any pages at all? I have them play "Jingle Bells" by finger number, and then by note names, along with "Mary Had a Little Lamb" and "Twinkle, Twinkle." But I show them a page (two handwritten by me) of where to place hands, and the numbers, and then notes.

We clap out rhythms (a la Duckworth "beat's in the feet!) and learn quarter and half note, sometimes whole note.

We play patterns all up and down the keyboard, and work on dynamics, and ear training (up? forte?)

part of why I have them do some writing is because I can see their fine motor skills that way, and also adjust lessons as we move on. One of my students loves writing out vocab definitions in cursive, along with cute little pictures. Another is slightly dyslexic, so we do very little writing. Others love doing work in colored pencil, for fun, so I give them supplemental worksheets.

I tell them, "if your fingers are moving, so is your mouth. always say the finger numbers or note names or values or count as you play."

So they have physical touch and feel, they are seeing it on the page, plus hearing themselves say it. Plus, I tap on their back and often speak along with them, as encouragement.

Anyway, this student was a gamble, just for a brief summer time. I will not do so next summer.

Candy, I really would like to know more how you structure your first two months, especially with an older beginner, or a very good student, with no books at all.

Thanks!
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#2129653 - 08/08/13 12:57 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Hi Missbelle,

As I stated in my last post, I can go without books for three or four weeks with the type of student you describe. Such a student would still need part of the lesson to be devoted to note-naming by the eighth week so there would still be reminders of the none-score work.

To describe my method in detail would be wrong. However, the part I can help you with is the concept of assigning work. (By the way, one teacher on this forum had a terrific idea of five lessons in one week for beginners, which would have helped prevent the vacation problem you stated.)

For numbers on a hand, ask the student to put his hand on a paper and trace it with the opposite hand. Then ask him to write the numbers on the drawn hand. Then do the same with the other hand. Then do the many things you already do to reinforce the numbers, such as teaching Jingle Bells by finger number. The point is, why send the student home to write this in a book? He won't learn it as well as with you. And you don't get paid for that tidbit of information if he miraculously comes back with the numbers written in. So why? When he's home, he can play around with concepts you've presented but why put his mind to a particular, abstract concept?

I could go on, but I think you mainly need to reinforce concepts through the drama of the lesson, and your presence, not through the abstract nature of homework assigning.


Edited by Candywoman (08/08/13 12:58 AM)

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#2130115 - 08/08/13 09:43 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Originally Posted By: missbelle

I go over each page assigned, and write the date, underline or circle pertinent info, I never blindly say, "go forth!"

I'm not there at your lessons so I don't really know what you're doing.
But... the phrase "go over" is always a red flag for me. You shouldn't be "going over" anything - you should be teaching it. "Going over" puts the focus and the emphasis on the page. Teaching puts the focus and emphasis on the student, where it should be. Going over is what I do with my grocery list when at the store, "yup, got the chocolate ice cream. check." Teaching is so much more.
What might be critically missing that should be part of teaching is checking/testing for comprehension.

You also mention you never have a student "go forth". I hope you don't mean students of all levels. Remember our ultimate goal for our students is for them to "go forth".
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#2130321 - 08/09/13 10:57 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: musicpassion]
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okay, now we are just on semantics.

go over is going over the page, woth what they are supposed to be working on, what to practice. I tend to use the Boy Scout method called EDGE-

The EDGE Method

The EDGE method is a four step method for teaching a skill:

Explain
Demonstrate
Guide
Enable

Explain

First explain what you will be doing. Tell them the steps involved. Visual aids might be helpful for this step. Use questions to gauge their understanding.

Demonstrate
Show them how to do the skill. Demonstrate the steps using the actual materials. Describe what you are doing.

Guide
Let them practice the skill. Guide and coach them as they try to do it themselves. This step will take the most time.

Enable
Enable them by letting them do the skill themselves without any intervention.

For me, going over is the first three parts, and the enable is the practice that I will check next week, and develop further.

Now, as for my words of "Go forth!" -you even quoted me, "I never blindly say 'go forth!'" and I hold to this. That means letting a young beginning student pick any page they wish in their book, units and chapters and skills and weeks of development ahead, and 'go forth" and do what they wish, with no guidance, no instruction, no tools. That means the child will be lost, frustrated, not know what they do not know.

Really, it is just semantics and personal definitions.

Going over for me means thorough. Going over the work alongside the child.

Go forth, esp. for a beginner, means, go and be your own leader!

Now, once they have the skill set, I will give them more lead to focus on their own. But this boy is very new, and his skipping ahead 20 pages was "going forth" and it failed.

But I will take into consideration the words I use. That is why I write on their lesson book, in the assignment ntbk, and verbally. If parents attend, I demo for them, also, or have the child demo for the parents. Auditory, visually, tactile, re-worded, two sets of ears, etc...

Since I have not figured out how to incorporate taste and smell, that is all I can do for now!
smile
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#2130326 - 08/09/13 11:06 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Originally Posted By: missbelle

Since I have not figured out how to incorporate taste and smell, that is all I can do for now!
smile


Here you go! laugh

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#2130333 - 08/09/13 11:19 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
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Oooh: a piano sandwich for the left-handed pianist!
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#2130366 - 08/09/13 12:13 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
TimR Offline
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Registered: 08/17/04
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Loc: Virginia, USA
Originally Posted By: missbelle
UPDATE!!

Had another lesson this morning.
He was excited to have picked out a nursery rhyme. I helped him get the fingering (using both hands, not jumping around and contorting, and even showed him how to play it in two keys, G and C)

Then we turned to the lesson books and worksheets. kid did not do half the work, and half of what he did do was horribly incorrect! Music alphabet written all discombobulated, not figuring out music line up or down, mixing up 2nds and 3rds, etc...



This is promising. You've made huge progress in figuring out this student. I just don't think you've realized it yet.

Whether he's truly autistic at some level, you've confirmed he cannot do workbook assignments even with your best preparation (and what you've tried sounds quite appropriate for most kids.)

You've also found a way to get him playing with excitement and enthusiasm, and actually learning a song in two keys and succeeding! Well done. And he's practicing at home! Willingly! How many of your students do as much?

You've proven this is a child for whom the cookie cutter approach used on most kids just doesn't fit. And you've isolated what methods work with him, and what don't.

Now you can really get somewhere with him.

It's really simple.

Stop doing what doesn't work. Do what does work.

He's a unique kid, but they all are; to some extent you teach every child as they need, but this one demands a little more customization.

I would fight to hold onto this one.
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#2130612 - 08/10/13 03:49 AM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: missbelle]
musicpassion Offline
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Registered: 12/30/12
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Loc: California, USA
Originally Posted By: missbelle

Going over for me means thorough. Going over the work alongside the child.
Go forth, esp. for a beginner, means, go and be your own leader!

Thanks for the clarification. From your language I thought perhaps you didn't have a teaching structure or method. There are teachers out there (of all different subjects - not just music) who never really teach - they just give assignments.
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#2130867 - 08/10/13 03:43 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: keystring]
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Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 7573
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: keystring
Originally Posted By: missbelle

Since I have not figured out how to incorporate taste and smell, that is all I can do for now!
smile


Here you go! laugh

Clearly the people who made this cake were not pianists. wink
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#2131035 - 08/10/13 11:05 PM Re: teach music, or just "songs?" [Re: Polyphonist]
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Registered: 04/20/13
Posts: 177
Loc: Cleveland, OH
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

Clearly the people who made this cake were not pianists. wink

not to get off track too much, but that's what I think whenever I see "music notes" somewhere (like as a picture or decoration), and half of them are...backwards. crazy

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