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#2123181 - 07/26/13 07:31 AM The $50K New Piano
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If you had $50,000 in your pocket and not a penny more, what new piano would you buy?
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#2123196 - 07/26/13 08:30 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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If anyone wants to know how Jolly got to his exalted number of posts, the front page of the Piano Forum this morning shows how … grin
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#2123205 - 07/26/13 09:06 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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Ah, jealousy, thy name is PD.

I thought it was a pretty decent carpet bomb question. Covers a number of common price points and invites people to share their favorite pianos for x number of dollars.

That way, you don't have guys trying to make the case for a $25K piano in a $15K thread.
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#2123207 - 07/26/13 09:19 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
If anyone wants to know how Jolly got to his exalted number of posts, the front page of the Piano Forum this morning shows how … grin


What "front page" are you referring to, Dad? How does one access it?

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#2123214 - 07/26/13 09:34 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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I think the problem with this question is that no one knows the true price of new pianos until they start the buying/negotiating process. Which pianos cost exactly $50,000 anyway?
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#2123215 - 07/26/13 09:38 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Almaviva]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
If anyone wants to know how Jolly got to his exalted number of posts, the front page of the Piano Forum this morning shows how … grin


What "front page" are you referring to, Dad? How does one access it?


Just the main page of the piano forum:

Piano Forum

When you see a list of seven consecutive threads with 0 posts, Jolly has carpet-bombed.

That's a great term, Jolly! I like it.

BTW, just to allay anyone's possible misapprehension, I'm not criticizing Jolly. Humorously tweaking, yes.
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#2123251 - 07/26/13 10:58 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Chopinlover49]
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Originally Posted By: Chopinlover49
I think the problem with this question is that no one knows the true price of new pianos until they start the buying/negotiating process. Which pianos cost exactly $50,000 anyway?

I think you are missing the point. There is good evidence published as to the narrow price range that a new piano, particularly in the 50k mean, will cost. We just have to name them. A new M&H BB would fit this mean.

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#2123254 - 07/26/13 11:03 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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In this order, I would get:

1) M&H BB
2) Bechstein Academy
3) Estonia 225

All 7 footers of course....

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#2123259 - 07/26/13 11:08 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Chopinlover49]
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Originally Posted By: Chopinlover49
I think the problem with this question is that no one knows the true price of new pianos until they start the buying/negotiating process. Which pianos cost exactly $50,000 anyway?


By nature of the question, the piano doesn't have to cost $50,000.

$50,000 is all the money you have to spend. Not a penny more.

You may certainly spend less.

But...as long as you don't exceed $50K, I'm thinking you'll buy as much piano as you can afford.

And as for PD, from one TNCR member to another...where the devil is the smiley-with-the-tongue-sticking-out emoticon? tiki
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#2123288 - 07/26/13 11:50 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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On the substance, we have a problem of list versus street price. I'm pretty sure I can pick up many a 70K piano for under 50K under certain circumstances.
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#2123296 - 07/26/13 11:57 AM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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we looked at a Rolls Royce one year when the list price was 228K dollars. We drove a ratty 1971 Mercury Comet to the dealer and they were prepared to offer us 12K on trade in right off the bat.

A few lessons learned from inheriting this piano business are. If you want to make a deal have the money with you. Don't try to make a deal and then say um.. we don't have any. Cash is still king and all this time I thought it was Elvis.
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#2123429 - 07/26/13 05:08 PM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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Does Jolly have a thread starting quota?

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#2123491 - 07/26/13 07:38 PM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
Does Jolly have a thread starting quota?



Dunno, on TNCR I have 313 pages of topic starters. Here? I duuno...maybe 40 pages, cutting it off at 2006. Never had a 400 post thread, here, though.

Once I had one talking about this place that drew 137 pair of eyeballs in less than 60 minutes...on another site, of course (I'd give you a link, but I'd have to kill you).
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#2123502 - 07/26/13 07:52 PM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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It's funny that whenever a question is put like that, even an old guy me wouldn't have an instant answer.

First off, I'd try to pay $ 50,000 for a 65,000-70,000 piano, so "value" is definitely part of the equation.

Secondly, pianos at that price level can be in very different condition so going strictly [or mainly..] by *make* isn't necessarily the most promising approach.

In fact, it could well turn out to be one of the most disappointing approaches as there are always these 'built-in' expectations right off the bat.

Basically I would propose: "all pianos that could be gotten at 50,000" - and perhaps some *below*.

Surprises often hiding in places least suspected....

Norbert cool


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#2123505 - 07/26/13 07:55 PM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Mark...]
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Originally Posted By: Mark...
Does Jolly have a thread starting quota?


I like the Jolly threads!
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#2123514 - 07/26/13 08:04 PM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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#2123579 - 07/26/13 10:59 PM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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When I commented that it is hard to know which pianos can be had for $50,000, I was aware of the "list" prices and other info in Fine's book, but I know that in some shops at the right time, a $50,000 cash purchase can buy a very fine, higher-priced piano, and in other shops, or at the wrong time, it can't. I was offered a terrific deal ($21,000) on a new 7'6" piano with a "list price" of over $80,000 last year and could have had enough to buy two of them with the $50,000, but I decided the piano just didn't suit me as well as some others I was trying out. Nice piano, nice dealer, great price, but just not the one for me. I guess if I could get a great deal, I would try for one of the largest C.Bechsteins or Bosendorfers (at least 7 feet), or in my ideal world, a Mason-Hamlin CC or Steinway D, but I am quite happy with my Mason-Hamlin BB (which I purchased used. I didn't have $50,000. It's not that old and I didn't need a new one. It will outlive me, so my grandkids will have a nice inheritance when I kick off. They are taking lessons on it right now.)
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#2123883 - 07/27/13 05:08 PM Re: The $50K New Piano [Re: Jolly]
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Yamaha C6X and keep the change. I could get the Yamaha C7X with a $50K budget, but I prefer the C6X.
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