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#2124418 - 07/28/13 08:02 PM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: MaggieGirl]
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Registered: 04/20/13
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Originally Posted By: MaggieGirl
Also check bags and purses for recording equipment before they enter the recital hall.

I'm not sure you can legally do that...
Even if you can, it seems a bit excessive. I think instead of doing that, just make a policy saying they can't record, and as for me, I don't think I would be teaching a student if I thought they were that unscrupulous as to be trying to sneak recording equipment in!

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#2124471 - 07/28/13 10:09 PM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Candywoman]
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I'm trying to visualize a world in which a mom/dad would have to "sneak" a camera in to record their own child playing some level 2 piece or Clementi sonatina.

I imagine most families would be incensed if they were told that they could not record their own children's playing at a public recital. As for checking bags, that's absurd.

This is a huge leap from Candywoman's legitimate concern about her own work.
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#2124663 - 07/29/13 07:15 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: The Monkeys]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
Candywoman, I still think that you could suggest that they use the "private" setting and then send the link to family and friends. This way the confidence of the boy that you are worried about would not be undermined, and it would also not be "out there" for the whole world. It may be a win-win as far as the present situation is concerned.


Not sure what difference it makes.


There is nothing complicated. A private setting allows a limited number of people to see the video, and it will be the people that you want. A public setting allows everyone in the whole world to see it. Even if the chances of it becoming viral is remote, nobody is likely to turn something into a meme or be creative otherwise, that possibility still exists. A private setting gives control. I wasn't after anything mystical or obscure. It's as simple as that.

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#2124664 - 07/29/13 07:16 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Candywoman]
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Can someone confirm my thought that Youtube videos that are set to private cannot be found on Google searches?

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#2124684 - 07/29/13 08:25 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Candywoman]
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YouTube has three settings:

Public: pretty obvious. The whole world can see and search.

Unlisted: Only people who have the link can see this.

Private: Only people you actually specify can see this.


I believe the latter two are unsearchable. I have several videos on my page that are "unlisted" and others that are "private." A google search turns up neither the unlisted nor the private videos.
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#2124700 - 07/29/13 09:19 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Piano*Dad]
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Originally Posted By: Piano*Dad
YouTube has three settings:

Public: pretty obvious. The whole world can see and search.

Unlisted: Only people who have the link can see this.

Private: Only people you actually specify can see this.


I believe the latter two are unsearchable. I have several videos on my page that are "unlisted" and others that are "private." A google search turns up neither the unlisted nor the private videos.

I did the same test yesterday, with the same result. Thanks P*D. smile

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#2124730 - 07/29/13 10:49 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: keystring]
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As for checking bags, that's absurd.

Of course it's absurd. Parents want to record their kid and some want to share it with grandma in Florida and others put it out there for anyone. I have things out there that are public and I have things that are private and others that are unlisted. I think of a piano student recital as being something anyone could see. If the teacher has other rules, they needed to be stated before the performance.

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#2124737 - 07/29/13 11:03 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: MaggieGirl]
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Originally Posted By: MaggieGirl
As for checking bags, that's absurd.

Of course it's absurd. .


Right. There is no benefit to be gained that comes near to compensating for the ill will that will be generated.
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#2124781 - 07/29/13 12:04 PM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Candywoman]
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I thought MaggieGirl was being ironic in the post about searching bags: pointing out the absurdity of the policy about "no YouTube posting" when taken to its extreme conclusion.
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#2125078 - 07/30/13 12:48 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Candywoman]
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Not sure if anyone has mention this, but I have a youtube channel just for students, and when I feel a student is ready with a piece/s, I record them, and up it goes to my youtube channel. It is fun for the kids to watch themself on youtube and parents and grandparents love it too. Some parents ask that I don't record students, but most love it!

This way i monitor what goes on. And if the student's performance is ready. Don't put their faces in view just their backs, for security purposes!

It motivates students . . . a lot!
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#2125210 - 07/30/13 09:39 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Candywoman]
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The occasion is a teaching opportunity on how to make a good YouTube video--- one that would probably be invaluable to the kids in the future, and riveting, riotous fun in the classroom.

The other considerations presented in the initial post are just silly, considering what this little recital vid actually is. But learning to consciously use images and sounds to present ideas and influence feelings, would be hot stuff for the kids.

A look at the boundaries would not be a bad part of this learning. Invading the bath with a camera or webcasting your roommate's gay sex adventures in the dorm room, using copyrighted material without permission--- these things can have consequences.

This could be elaborated extensively--- far more than a little piano lesson could effect--- but a look at the general ideas could be useful and fun for students. Realistically, they might do well to learn somewhat of the technical secrets that will help them make the piano sound good on tape--- there's a lesson plan for you.


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#2125229 - 07/30/13 10:27 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Candywoman]
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Loc: Iowa City, IA
Originally Posted By: Candywoman
I started teaching a new student last year. After a recital last year, he posted himself on youtube playing three pieces he learned from me. He was thrilled with me and his pieces. However, he doesn't sound that great on the video since I had only begun working with him. In addition, my image is on the video and I look like a klutz behind him (I was sitting there to prepare for duets with young students). Finally, one piece I arranged and wish to publish someday.

The video has only now come to my attention. I want to ask the parent to remove it from youtube. However, I feel it may break the student's spirit and their interest in studying with me. What should I do? I feel I look like a lousy teacher based on his playing and I'm also worried about somebody stealing my arrangement.


I'd let them keep the video up. I seriously doubt anyone would take the time to transcribe your arrangement from the video. (I know a lot of teachers who can't even transcribe simple stuff, much less students and the general public.)

As for the quality, I wouldn't worry about it. Again, I seriously doubt a single YouTube video is going to undermine your own marketing materials and professional network.

I do think it'd be fine to request that your name be removed from the video. That's a normal and legitimate privacy concern. But I'd let them keep the video itself up.
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#2125276 - 07/30/13 11:52 AM Re: What to do about student posting on youtube [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler

I do think it'd be fine to request that your name be removed from the video. That's a normal and legitimate privacy concern. But I'd let them keep the video itself up.


I don't think her name is on the video, it is her face.

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