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#21295 - 10/07/08 10:36 AM C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
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Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hello pianofriends! I promised you some weeks ago to report back about my testing for a new grand piano to my studio in Norway. Well, here is my report:

We have tested and recorded four grands; Yamaha S6, C.Bechstein B212, Bosendorfer 214 and Shigeru Kawai 212. We have also played on the Yamaha C7, Schimmel K213 and S&SB211 (but we found it unnecessary record these grands). We used a Zoom H4 and two Neumann KM 184 microphones in the recordings.

Our conclusions? The new C.Bechstein B212 stands in a class above the others! No doubt about that. It sounds very very warm and beautiful, the voicing is incredible and it has a power and length in the tones that none of the others can reach.

Big words? Yes, to say this may be big words, but I recommend you all to go and try for yourselves. I’ll think this grand must be the best grand in its class in the world. It is very very perfect for acoustic jazz- and classical recordings!

In two weeks this grand will come to our studio!

Regards from Tom in Norway

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#21296 - 10/07/08 12:08 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
duncantwo Offline
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Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 232
Loc: NC
Hey Tom,

Sounds like you've been having a lot of fun! Any chance you can upload those recordings so we can all hear them? We love a 'guess the piano' thread around here.

And I must say I respectfully disagree with your opinion about the C. Bechstein. I made a similar evaluation and decided that the Bosie 214 was the best in its class overall. But that's what's great about the tier 1 pianos: each one will speak to each of us differently. I'm glad you found one that speaks to you in such a special way.

Oh, and please do post some pictures when the piano arrives! If we love anything more than a guess the piano thread, it's a delivery thread with photos!

Congratulations, and may the C. Bechstein continue to wow you over the years.
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Bösendorfer 214(CS)-495 48311
Yamaha CLP-240

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#21297 - 10/07/08 12:41 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
Steve Chandler Offline
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Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 2629
Loc: Urbandale, Iowa
Pictures and recordings, MMMMMMMmmmmmm (that means YES! Please post both, we can't wait).

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#21298 - 10/27/08 10:18 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hello Steve!

I have just read your mail. Can you give me your mailadress and I will send you the recordings.

Regards from Tom J

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#21299 - 10/27/08 11:55 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
crispin Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 80
Loc: france
Hw about posting the recordings for all of us to enjoy... especially if they are unlabelled and we have to guess which is the Bechstein...

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#21300 - 10/28/08 06:38 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
How do I do that! \:\)

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#21301 - 10/28/08 09:58 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
Steve Chandler Offline
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Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 2629
Loc: Urbandale, Iowa
Tom,

The usual way is to post the pictures on a separate thread here. Instructions for doing this have been given numerous times so just do a search on "posting pictures". As for recordings, the usual thing is to get some free space at box.com, upload the MP3s there and post a link here. If anyone would like to add details on how to do either of these things please do.

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#21302 - 11/03/08 01:10 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hi pianofriends!

If you go to these places you can download the grand piano recordings but remember; 1. The recordings are done on a Zoom H4 with the quality that it gives. 2. The trakcs are normalized so they all peak on 0.3dB.

http://193.213.83.252:88/grand1.wav
http://193.213.83.252:88/grand2.wav
http://193.213.83.252:88/grand3.wav
http://193.213.83.252:88/grand4.wav

Can you tell me which one you think are the best?
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Cool
Regards from Tom in Norway

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#21303 - 11/03/08 05:51 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
crispin Offline
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Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 80
Loc: france
how I enjoy these quizzes - but unfortunately my web browser asks for a login name and password in order to download these files...

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#21304 - 11/03/08 07:58 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
Dave Ferris Offline
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Registered: 03/12/07
Posts: 1675
Loc: Glendale, Ca.
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#21305 - 11/04/08 04:19 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Have yoy tried "save as"?

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#21306 - 11/04/08 04:43 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hi!

Username: studio
Password: music

Regards from Tom

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#21307 - 11/04/08 11:59 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
duncantwo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 232
Loc: NC
ok, here's my guess:

1. Bosendorfer 214
2. Shigeru Kawai 212
3. Yamaha S6
4. C. Bechstein B212
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#21308 - 11/04/08 01:09 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
lilylady Offline
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 4974
Loc: boston north
I am on a fast internet.

It is over 6 minutes to download the 30 mg bytes for just one wav.

This might be discouraging for those who would like to hear the recordings or participate.

Would it be possible for you to convert those WAV files to mp3 files?

They download in less than a minute each.

Thank you, LL
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#21309 - 11/04/08 02:11 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
lilylady Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 4974
Loc: boston north
BTW, I fell in love with playing the Pathetique Adagio since High School.

I use AUDACITY (free from the internet) to do edits (from Zoom H4) and change from the large wav files to mp3's. Then save them to a file in my music folder. You could then upload them from there for us to view.

I hope this helps.

LL
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#21310 - 11/04/08 04:05 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
crispin Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/17/08
Posts: 80
Loc: france
Well I am not knowledgeable enough to know - but I find grand #3 the best - by far imho. Since I own a Bechstein upright I hope that this is the Bechstein...

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#21311 - 11/04/08 04:22 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
whippen boy Offline
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Registered: 05/02/05
Posts: 3886
Loc: San Francisco
Downloading all four was a painfully slow process. \:\(

To my dismay I discovered that recordings #1 and #2 are identical. \:\(
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#21312 - 11/05/08 08:09 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
duncantwo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 232
Loc: NC
my 1 and 2 aren't. anybody else have any guesses? don't let the slow download time spoil the fun!
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Bösendorfer 214(CS)-495 48311
Yamaha CLP-240

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#21313 - 11/05/08 08:21 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
tanjinjack Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
It spoiled my fun, the 30mb recording. Is there anyone willing to convert the recording to smaller file, so that it can make download faster?

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#21314 - 11/05/08 09:20 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
duncantwo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 232
Loc: NC
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Bösendorfer 214(CS)-495 48311
Yamaha CLP-240

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#21315 - 11/05/08 10:16 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hello pianofriends!

I'm sorry to make you so much trouble. The recordings are now converted to mp3's. Use the same adress and change .wav with .mp3. Then you can download the files fast.

Example: http://193.213.3.252:88/grand1.mp3

Regards from Tom

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#21316 - 11/05/08 10:18 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway

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#21317 - 11/05/08 10:24 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hello duncantwo!

I converted the files before I discovered that you also had converted them. Sorry.

Regards from Tom

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#21318 - 11/05/08 02:35 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
Dave Ferris Offline
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Registered: 03/12/07
Posts: 1675
Loc: Glendale, Ca.
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2005 NY Steinway D, Nord Piano 2

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#21319 - 11/05/08 03:11 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
duncantwo Offline
Full Member

Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 232
Loc: NC
Dave,

To be honest, I listened again today on a different set of speakers while I was converting the files, and while I stand by my guesses, I was far less certain of them this time. I'm still almost positive that #1 is the bosie though. If I were get that one wrong, it'd be pretty bad.

Now, for a little on my rationale, while we wait for some other guesses:
For the record, I have played all of these pianos except the S6, but I have played C6 and C7 yamahas.
I liked the recorded sound of #4 the best, and since Tom picked the Bechstein for how it sounded on the recording, I thought this one was it. I thought it had the nicest mix of bright attack and warm sustain. #3 sounded the brightest and the thinnest, so I guessed yamaha----perhaps my preconceived notions of the brand will come back to haunt me on this one? And #2 sounded most similar to #3 to me, but warmer and mellower, so I went with the shigeru kawai.
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Bösendorfer 214(CS)-495 48311
Yamaha CLP-240

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#21320 - 11/05/08 03:59 PM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hello !

I did not choose the Bechstein only from the sound on the recordings. This grand was the one that was my number one after been playing on them too. But after hearing the four tracks you just have heard, I got in scruple. Because of that I had to engage a proffesional jazz player to test Bosie 214 and Becshtein B212 for me.
I will tell you his recommendation later.

Regards from Tom

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#21321 - 11/07/08 04:12 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
TomJ Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 17
Loc: Hoenefoss, Norway
Hello!

Since it seems to be that no one else whishes to guess the grands, her is the result: Grand 1= Boesendorfer 214, Grand 2= C.Bechstein B212, Grand 3=Shigeru Kawai 212 and Grand 4= Yamaha S6.
So Dave, you are the winner and your choise was equal to mine. May be you want to come to
Norway and record with the C.Bechstein on our SSL AWS 900+? You are welcone!

Her is what the jazz-player said; The Bosie sounds a little fractious, slight and not unsparing. It will not be a good grand in the studio. The Bechstein and Schimmel gives much more tone and gadget and should be easyer to work with as a sound technician. The Schimmel 230 would be very nice, but if you want prestige, it's the C.Bechstein that counts.

Regards from Tom in Norway

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#21322 - 11/08/08 03:34 AM Re: C.Bechstein B212
Dave Ferris Offline
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Registered: 03/12/07
Posts: 1675
Loc: Glendale, Ca.
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2005 NY Steinway D, Nord Piano 2

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