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#2136094 - 08/20/13 04:04 PM placing a digital piano next to a radiator
nish81 Offline
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Registered: 09/02/12
Posts: 3
hi all smile

so I'm shopping around for my first digital piano. unfortunately in my tiny london flat the only available space is a wall with the radiator attached to the side. I'm aware that this is definitely less than ideal, but I was wondering whether anyone could tell me whether damage to the digital piano would be likely to occur, and if so what type of damage? Is there any way I can make this work better, eg by putting some card wrapped in foil between the piano and the radiator? and would it matter if I bought a portable DP like the yamaha P105 as opposed to a non-portable one like the yamaha YDP162?

all advice is much appreciated, i'm dying to own a digital piano here after leaving my acoustic behind at home a few years ago, but this is literally the only free space in my room..
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#2136101 - 08/20/13 04:13 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
Marko in Boston Offline
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Hi nish81,

This has been discussed in the past. Some threads might be helpful such as this one:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2019678/Can_i_place_a_digital_piano_cl.html

Or type in "radiator" in the Google customer search on the top left side.
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#2136116 - 08/20/13 04:38 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
spanishbuddha Offline
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First option is to turn the radiator off, and use a small fan heater or similar elsewhere in the room.

Second option is to get a friend to suggest room rearrangement.

If not ....

Buy a small cheap thermometer and place it on a chair/table/stand next to the radiator. My guess it probably won't go above 25C so all will be fine.

But I would not put a wood/MDF based console next to it.

I would consider putting a plastic or metal cased slab next to it, a cheaper entry level, so maybe the P105, but would then expect a potentially shorter life of something. Or maybe not. Mitigate the effects of heat by placing a board or curtain at the back of the unit and stand.

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#2136126 - 08/20/13 04:50 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
peterws Offline
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Go Plastic! Shouldn`t have a prob, if the heat isn`t scorching hot.
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#2136135 - 08/20/13 04:59 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: peterws]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Registered: 12/26/12
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If the heating vent is underneath the piano, the piano is going to get hot. That would be really bad for a wooden (acoustic) piano -- wood dries out and cracks. Not good for a console digipiano, either.

For a "slab" digipiano with plastic case, the extra heat means that the electronics are going to "age" faster, and the plastic case is going to degrade faster. Not deadly, but not good, either.

A small fan under the piano, or between the piano and the heating vent. to increase the air circulation, would help a lot.

"Computer fans" are fairly cheap, very quiet, and will run on any 12-volt DC power supply. That's what I'd use. I have some I've mounted on sheets of Masonite ("pressedboard", I think is the generic term) to increase their effectiveness.

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#2136139 - 08/20/13 05:00 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: peterws]
nish81 Offline
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Registered: 09/02/12
Posts: 3
Originally Posted By: Marko in Boston
Hi nish81,

This has been discussed in the past. Some threads might be helpful such as this one:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2019678/Can_i_place_a_digital_piano_cl.html

Or type in "radiator" in the Google customer search on the top left side.


Thanks Marko - I did actually see that thread, but I thought I might get some more answers with a new thread. I also thought naming the model I'm interested in might allow people to give me some more info


Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
First option is to turn the radiator off, and use a small fan heater or similar elsewhere in the room.

Buy a small cheap thermometer and place it on a chair/table/stand next to the radiator. My guess it probably won't go above 25C so all will be fine.

But I would not put a wood/MDF based console next to it.

I would consider putting a plastic or metal cased slab next to it, a cheaper entry level, so maybe the P105, but would then expect a potentially shorter life of something. Or maybe not. Mitigate the effects of heat by placing a board or curtain at the back of the unit and stand.




Originally Posted By: peterws
Go Plastic! Shouldn`t have a prob, if the heat isn`t scorching hot.



First option might work although an electric heater would probably be more expensive than the standard central heating radiator right?

I can't find any information on yahama's site about the YDP 162's material - do you know if it's cased with wood or MDF? or are those units more likely to be cased with plastic or something safer
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#2136140 - 08/20/13 05:01 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
xorbe Offline
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Registered: 07/31/12
Posts: 570
Loc: Mt View, CA
Plastic will probably be fine if you do what you suggested and shield it from direct heat. It's wooden things (fancy wooden keys) that shrink with dry heat or expand with moisture (causing looseness or binding). Of course electronics don't like moisture in general. A fan in the general area would help circulation and lower peak temperatures.

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#2136174 - 08/20/13 05:49 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
Scott Hamlin Offline
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Registered: 08/11/12
Posts: 547
Something like this placed on a lower table might work if it's a lighter dp. This will give plenty of air flow underneath and also draw heat away. Just an idea.. smile
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#2136192 - 08/20/13 06:32 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
xorbe Offline
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Registered: 07/31/12
Posts: 570
Loc: Mt View, CA
Isn't that a stand for a sub 10 pound laptop?

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#2136204 - 08/20/13 06:55 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
bluebilly Offline
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Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 424
Loc: England
Originally Posted By: nish81
hi all smile

so I'm shopping around for my first digital piano. unfortunately in my tiny london flat the only available space is a wall with the radiator attached to the side. I'm aware that this is definitely less than ideal, but I was wondering whether anyone could tell me whether damage to the digital piano would be likely to occur, and if so what type of damage? Is there any way I can make this work better, eg by putting some card wrapped in foil between the piano and the radiator? and would it matter if I bought a portable DP like the yamaha P105 as opposed to a non-portable one like the yamaha YDP162?
The cardboard covered with foil will be OK, you only need to deflect the radiant heat.

all advice is much appreciated, i'm dying to own a digital piano here after leaving my acoustic behind at home a few years ago, but this is literally the only free space in my room..

The cardboard covered with foil will be OK, you only need to deflect the radiant heat.

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#2136217 - 08/20/13 07:16 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: xorbe]
Scott Hamlin Offline
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Registered: 08/11/12
Posts: 547
Originally Posted By: xorbe
Isn't that a stand for a sub 10 pound laptop?


Oh I'm sure it is... I meant something similar... Perhaps this:
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#2136278 - 08/20/13 10:02 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
MacMacMac Offline
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Registered: 09/24/09
Posts: 3786
Loc: North Carolina
Please don't put your piano next to a radiator!


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#2136286 - 08/20/13 10:19 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: MacMacMac]
nish81 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 09/02/12
Posts: 3
Originally Posted By: xorbe
Plastic will probably be fine if you do what you suggested and shield it from direct heat. It's wooden things (fancy wooden keys) that shrink with dry heat or expand with moisture (causing looseness or binding). Of course electronics don't like moisture in general. A fan in the general area would help circulation and lower peak temperatures.


Moisture should be fine - humidity wouldnt vary too much right? A fan is a good idea - should be able to install a small electric one near it or something. Thanks!



Originally Posted By: Plinky88
Originally Posted By: xorbe
Isn't that a stand for a sub 10 pound laptop?


Oh I'm sure it is... I meant something similar... Perhaps this:


the one I have my heart set on is this one:


the whole thing is one unit (if I'm correct) so I dont think i could put it on a stand like that

if I get the cheaper P105 or something then it would be placed on a stand anyway though. I guess that would be much safer..but this sounds so much better!


Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Please don't put your piano next to a radiator!



did you just want an excuse to post that photo :p
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#2137323 - 08/22/13 05:17 PM Re: placing a digital piano next to a radiator [Re: nish81]
jonkertb Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 5
Loc: West Central Indiana USA
Hi Nish,
Just get a piece of rigid foil backed insulation board and place it between your piano and the radiator and I believe you'll be fine. In the US that stuff comes in 4 x 8 sheets...for a couple of dollars...cut it in half and place it back to back for double thickness and your DP will be fine.
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