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#2135994 - 08/20/13 01:08 PM Vintage Clavs?
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Seems like it, the prices some are going for. . . . Ebay, CLP 560 just sold. So nondescript that Yamaha post little information on it; it is after all, around 22 years old now.

It went for £490! There are other instances of old Clavinovas going for crazy prices; not necessarily totr models either; some of them sell for less. There`s a CLP 810s on the go at the moment; as basic as they come. I`ll keep me eye on that . . .What fun! Especially when you get to see the end of the auction . . .

Other pianos don`t seem to attract the same interest.
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#2136002 - 08/20/13 01:34 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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Clavinovas have an amazing amount of brand recognition and it's not always trivial for a lay person to figure out how old they are.

The used market for DP's can be pretty good (at least for the big names). I remember being very surprised when I offered my old P-80 on craigslist after 7 years for just $300 less than I originally paid for it and people jumped all over me to get it.

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#2136123 - 08/20/13 04:47 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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Clever marketing by Yamaha. 'Clavinova' as a term sounds like it means something, a real musical instrument, reeking of quality, you just know you want one. Better than 'RD700NX', unless you're a techie geek.

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#2136180 - 08/20/13 05:58 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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Age information is freely available from Yamaha at http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/chron.php
Here's the complete listing:
CLPF01 . . .2004
CLPS306 . . 2008
CLPS308 . . 2008
CLPS406 . . 2011
CLPS408 . . 2011
CLP20 . . . 1985
CLP30 . . . 1985
CLP40 . . . 1986
CLP45 . . . 1986
CLP50 . . . 1986
CLP55 . . . 1986
CLP100 . . .1987
CLP110 . . .2002
CLP115 . . .2003
CLP120 . . .2002
CLP121 . . .1992
CLP122 . . .1992
CLP123 . . .1992
CLP124 . . .1992
CLP130 . . .2002
CLP150 . . .2002
CLP152S . . 1994
CLP153S . . 1994
CLP153SG . .1994
CLP154S . . 1994
CLP155 . . .1994
CLP157 . . .1994
CLP170 . . .2002
CLP175 . . .2003
CLP200 . . .1986
CLP220 . . .2005
CLP230 . . .2005
CLP240 . . .2005
CLP250 . . .1988
CLP260 . . .1990
CLP265GP . .2007
CLP270 . . .2005
CLP280 . . .2005
CLP295GP . .2007
CLP300 . . .1986
CLP311 . . .1996
CLP320 . . .2008
CLP330 . . .2008
CLP340 . . .2008
CLP350 . . .1988
CLP360 . . .1990
CLP370 . . .2008
CLP380 . . .2008
CLP411 . . .1996
CLP430 . . .2011
CLP440 . . .2011
CLP465GP . .2011
CLP470 . . .2011
CLP480 . . .2011
CLP500 . . .1987
CLP511 . . .1996
CLP550 . . .1988
CLP555 . . .1997
CLP560 . . .1990
CLP570 . . .1989
CLP611 . . .1996
CLP650 . . .1988
CLP650W . . 1989
CLP670 . . .1989
CLP760 . . .1990
CLP810S . . 1998
CLP811 . . .1996
CLP820 . . .1998
CLP840 . . .1998
CLP860 . . .1998
CLP880 . . .1998
CLP910 . . .2001
CLP911 . . .1996
CLP920 . . .2000
CLP930 . . .2000
CLP950 . . .2000
CLP955 . . .2000
CLP970 . . .2000
CLP970A . . 2000
CLP990 . . .2001

N100 . . . .2006

CGP1000 . . 2007

CVP3 . . . .1985
CVP5 . . . .1985
CVP6 . . . .1987
CVP7 . . . .1985
CVP8 . . . .1987
CVP10 . . . 1987
CVP20 . . . 1988
CVP25 . . . 1993
CVP30 . . . 1989
CVP35 . . . 1991
CVP45 . . . 1991
CVP49 . . . 1995
CVP50 . . . 1989
CVP55 . . . 1991
CVP59 . . . 1995
CVP65 . . . 1991
CVP69 . . . 1995
CVP70 . . . 1989
CVP75 . . . 1991
CVP79 . . . 1995
CVP83 . . . 1993
CVP85 . . . 1993
CVP87 . . . 1993
CVP89 . . . 1994
CVP92 . . . 1997
CVP94 . . . 1997
CVP96 . . . 1997
CVP98 . . . 1997
CVP100MA . .1987
CVP100PE . .1987
CVP103 . . .1999
CVP105 . . .1999
CVP107 . . .1999
CVP109 . . .1999
CVP201 . . .2001
CVP202 . . .2003
CVP203 . . .2001
CVP204 . . .2003
CVP205 . . .2001
CVP206 . . .2003
CVP207 . . .2001
CVP208 . . .2003
CVP209 . . .2001
CVP210 . . .2003
CVP301 . . .2004
CVP303 . . .2004
CVP305 . . .2004
CVP307 . . .2004
CVP309 . . .2004
CVP401 . . .2007
CVP403 . . .2007
CVP405 . . .2007
CVP407 . . .2007
CVP409 . . .2007
CVP501 . . .2009
CVP503 . . .2009
CVP505 . . .2009
CVP509 . . .2009
CVP555 . . .1997
CVP600 . . .1998
CVP700 . . .1999
CVP900 . . .2002

Avant Grand N1 20??
Avant Grand N2 2009
Avant Grand N3 2009

P60 . . . . 2002
P65 . . . . 2006
P70 . . . . 2005
P80 . . . . 1999
P85 . . . . 2007
P90 . . . . 2003
P95 . . . . 2010
P120 . . . .2001
P140 . . . .2005
P150 . . . .1995
P155 . . . .2009
P200 . . . .1998
P250 . . . .2002
P300 . . . .1994

CP5 . . . . 2010
CP11 . . . .1981
CP25 . . . .1981
CP33 . . . .2006
CP35 . . . .1981
CP50 . . . .2010
CP300 . . . 2006

NP30 . . . .2007
NPV60 . . . 2010
NPV80 . . . 2010

YP40 . . . .1983

YPT210 . . .2007
YPT310 . . .2007
YPT320 . . .2009
YPT400 . . .2006
YPT410 . . .2008
YPT420 . . .2010

PSRSQ16 . . 1992
PSRA3 . . . 1995
PSRD1 . . . 1998
PSRGX76 . . 2000
PSRA1000 . .2002
PSRK1 . . . 2003
PSRA300 . . 2005
PSRE203 . . 2005
PSRE303 . . 2005
PSRE403 . . 2006
PSRE213 . . 2007
PSRE223 . . 2009
PSRE313 . . 2007
PSRE323 . . 2009
PSRE423 . . 2010
PSROR700 . .2007
PSRS500 . . 2006
PSRS700 . . 2007
PSRS900 . . 2007
PSRE413 . . 2008
PSRS550 . . 2008

PSR2 . . . .1990
PSR6 . . . .1988
PSR11 . . . 1986
PSR12 . . . 1987
PSR16 . . . 1988
PSR18 . . . 1990
PSR21 . . . 1986
PSR22 . . . 1987
PSR27 . . . 1989
PSR28 . . . 1990
PSR31 . . . 1991
PSR32 . . . 1987
PSR36 . . . 1988
PSR37 . . . 1989
PSR38 . . . 1990
PSR40 . . . 1985
PSR47 . . . 1989
PSR48 . . . 1990
PSR50 . . . 1985
PSR60 . . . 1985
PSR70 . . . 1985
PSR75 . . . 1992
PSR77 . . . 1995
PSR78 . . . 1996
PSR79 . . . 1998
PSR80 . . . 1987
PSR90 . . . 1987
PSR100 . . .1991
PSR110 . . .1993
PSR125 . . .2002
PSR130 . . .1997
PSR150 . . .1992
PSR160 . . .2000
PSR170 . . .2001
PSR172 . . .2003
PSR175 . . .2004
PSR185 . . .1995
PSR190 . . .1996
PSR195 . . .1998
PSR200 . . .1991
PSR202 . . .2002
PSR210 . . .1993
PSR215 . . .1995
PSR220 . . .1996
PSR225 . . .1998
PSR225GM . .2001
PSR230 . . .1996
PSR240 . . .1999
PSR260 . . .2000
PSR262 . . .2001
PSR270 . . .1999
PSR273 . . .2003
PSR275 . . .2003
PSR280 . . .2000
PSR282 . . .2001
PSR290 . . .2002
PSR292 . . .2002
PSR293 . . .2004
PSR295 . . .2004
PSR300 . . .1993
PSR310 . . .1993
PSR320 . . .1995
PSR330 . . .1997
PSR340 . . .1999
PSR350 . . .2001
PSR400 . . .1991
PSR410 . . .1993
PSR420 . . .1995
PSR450 . . .2004
PSR500 . . .1991
PSR510 . . .1993
PSR520 . . .1995
PSR530 . . .1997
PSR540 . . .1999
PSR550 . . .2001
PSR600 . . .1992
PSR620 . . .1995
PSR630 . . .1997
PSR640 . . .1999
PSR730 . . .1997
PSR740 . . .1999
PSR1000 . . 2001
PSR1100 . . 2003
PSR1500 . . 2004
PSR1700 . . 1993
PSR2000 . . 2001
PSR2100 . . 2003
PSR2500 . . 1989
PSR2700 . . 1993
PSR3000 . . 2004
PSR3500 . . 1989
PSR4000 . . 1995
PSR4500 . . 1989
PSR4600 . . 1990
PSR5700 . . 1992
PSR6000 . . 1994
PSR6300 . . 1986
PSR6700 . . 1991
PSR7000 . . 1995
PSR8000 . . 1997
PSR9000 . . 1999
PSR9000Pro .2000

YDP88 . . . 1995
YDP88II . . 1997
YDP101 . . .1999
YDP113 . . .2002
YDP121 . . .2001
YDP123 . . .2002
YDP131 . . .2005
YDP140 . . .2008
YDP141 . . .2010
YDP151 . . .2005
YDP151 . . .2006
YDP160 . . .2008
YDP161 . . .2010
YDP181 . . .2010
YDP213 . . .2005
YDP223 . . .2002
YDP323 . . .2005
YDPS30 . . .2007
YDPS31 . . .2009
YDPV240 . . 2010

DGX200 . . .2002
DGX202 . . .2002
DGX203 . . .2004
DGX205 . . .2004
DGX220 . . .2006
DGX230 . . .2008
DGX300 . . .2002
DGX305 . . .2004
DGX500 . . .2002
DGX505 . . .2004
DGX520 . . .2006
DGX530 . . .2008
DGX620 . . .2006
DGX630 . . .2008
DGX640 . . .2010

PF500 . . . 2002
PF1000 . . .2002

PSS7 . . . .1997
PSS8 . . . .1988
PSS11 . . . 1992
PSS12 . . . 1994
PSS14 . . . 1997
PSS20 . . . 1989
PSS21 . . . 1992
PSS31 . . . 1992
PSS50 . . . 1990
PSS51 . . . 1992
PSS102 . . .1991
PSS140 . . .1988
PSS190 . . .1990
PSS280 . . .1989
PSS290 . . .1990
PSS380 . . .1989
PSS390 . . .1990
PSS480 . . .1988
PSS580 . . .1989
PSS680 . . .1988
PSS780 . . .1989

YPP15 . . . 1991
YPP35 . . . 1991
YPP55 . . . 1992
YPP200 . . .2001

H01 . . . . 2006
F11 . . . . 2007
F01 . . . . 2007
R01 . . . . 2009
H11 . . . . 2009

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#2136188 - 08/20/13 06:16 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: MacMacMac]
pv88 Offline
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@Mac,

Very good list of all of the Yamaha's and I can say that I am happy enough with the CLP-990M and CLP-480R for now as I don't see having to upgrade to anything else anytime soon. Both models have the best sounds and action.

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#2136208 - 08/20/13 07:06 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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I'm betting you'll buy at least one more piano this year, and a couple more next year! smile

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#2136229 - 08/20/13 07:53 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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I envision pv88 climbing over pianos to get to his kitchen for breakfast in the morning!

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#2136305 - 08/20/13 11:00 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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I still have my first Clavinova 260 in 1990 as my very last backup piano. Sustain pedal is broken so I took it apart and now use my big toe ( yes, my toe) to make the plastic contact in order to connect the sustain signal smile I'm sure one day my sweaty toe will get me electrocuted.

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#2136356 - 08/21/13 01:58 AM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: Trstan993]
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I had the 76 noter CLP 250. Why I bought that, I`ll never know . . but it got used. Bet it`s worth something now! (there`s a lot o` good plastic in there)
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#2136658 - 08/21/13 03:09 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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I just sold my CLP 130. I still have a P80 which I will be using this weekend to play a wedding.
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#2136757 - 08/21/13 06:19 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: Vid]
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How do you deal with the sticking keys?

I keep my p80 unscrewed so I can change sticking keys fast with crazyglue,been doing that for a few years now (2-3 keys a month,they even rebreak)

finally got extra cash and going for kawai vpc1.
But gigvize p80 will have to do for a while still
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#2136766 - 08/21/13 06:40 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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That hasn't been a problem for me but really I only use it once in a blue moon. I'm not really a 'gigging' musician but once in a while it suits the situation.

Good luck on the VPC1! I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
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#2137371 - 08/22/13 07:12 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
pv88 Offline
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Originally Posted By: peterws
I had the 76 noter CLP 250. Why I bought that, I`ll never know . . but it got used. Bet it`s worth something now! (there`s a lot o` good plastic in there)


@Peter,

Hang onto your digital(s) if you are liking them since I have no intention with giving away my CLP-990M. Looks like the more I play the 990M it is sounding better than the newer CLP-480R and it is all of 12 years old.

@Mac,

As for "tradeable" digitals I might consider the CLP-480R and the Roland V-Piano but only if something much better comes along to replace them.

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#2137385 - 08/22/13 07:50 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
Kawai James Online   content
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Richard, am I tempting fate by suggesting that you trade in the CLP-480R and V-Piano for a VPC1? wink

Cheers,
James
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#2137414 - 08/22/13 09:05 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: Kawai James]
pv88 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Richard, am I tempting fate by suggesting that you trade in the CLP-480R and V-Piano for a VPC1? wink

Cheers,
James
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James,

Well, let's see... I paid 6K for the V-Piano and just a little over $4,400 for the CLP-480R and that amounts to $10,440 spent on these two digitals.

The VPC1 is now selling for only $1,849 at sweetwater.com where I purchased my Kawai EP3 at $1,100, so wouldn't these two be a closer match in price for a trade-in?

Since the EP3 is the one piano I keep out in the kitchen area I don't see any easy access to the computer for hooking up cables (in another room) so that I could use software libraries that are needed for the VPC1. The VPC1 would have to sit on the same stand I am using for the EP3 although I can't see having to run long (or, extra) cables and extension cords to the computer to use it.

I do agree that the VPC1 would be a definite improvement over my lowly EP3 although it can't match the V-Piano or CLP-480R as for the amount of money I put into them. The issue in using the VPC1 would be that it is not in the same room as the computer.

Any new digital that comes out in the future will have to have sounds and specs to match or better the V-Piano, or, the CLP-480R. That's why I am hanging onto them.

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#2137420 - 08/22/13 09:15 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
Kawai James Online   content
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Well, it wasn't a serious suggestion.

However, the VPC1 and Pianoteq would certainly offer strong competition for the V-Piano.

James
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#2137429 - 08/22/13 09:26 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: Kawai James]
pv88 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
However, the VPC1 and Pianoteq would certainly offer strong competition for the V-Piano.

James
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James,

As for the quality of the sounds, yes, the VPC1 with a good software library would probably challenge the V-Piano easily, however, I am still looking for a new modeled instrument (by any manufacturer) that would surpass the V-Piano as for sounds and would like to see it in an upright style cabinet, similar to the CLP-480, LX-15, etc. The modeled digital would also have the best speaker system optimized for the modeled sounds.

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#2137523 - 08/23/13 03:18 AM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: Vid]
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Vid ,Thanks I´m looking forward.


Edited by ado (08/23/13 03:19 AM)
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#2137643 - 08/23/13 10:23 AM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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Here I thought we were talking about a Clav:


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#2137657 - 08/23/13 10:50 AM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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I wondered who'd be the first to bring that up! wink
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#2137939 - 08/23/13 07:47 PM Re: Vintage Clavs? [Re: peterws]
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Yes!

A far, far more attractive option than any 'vintage' Clavinova.

James
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