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#2141629 - 08/31/13 12:41 AM Re: How do great pianists practice? [Re: Bobpickle]
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Registered: 04/02/13
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Hey You Two,

I am going to accuse you of not following the conversation as it developed on this thread. There was nothing ambiguous about this post, or the discussion that followed, except as you are willfully ignoring what's already been written.

I think it's nice that you tried to include jazz players on this thread, but that is not how the conversation has been going. You were both very well aware of that before you posted.

Since you brought it up, I'll have to say that I'm not at all interested in how jazz players practice. I have not yet met a jazzer who is as capable a player as Joseph Hoffman, or Sergei Rachmaninoff, Martha Argerich, or even Georg Cziffra.

Those are the people that I'd like to know how they practice. I'm totally bored with speculations about what Craig Taborn or Keith Jarret do in their studios.

And I say this as someone who has known many fine jazz pianists very closely, and even retrained several of them out of their injuries.

If this is a question you feel the need to pursue, why don't you start a thread on the "non-classical" forum? I mean, why bring it here? Nobody's going to be very appreciative of that.
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#2141637 - 08/31/13 01:33 AM Re: How do great pianists practice? [Re: laguna_greg]
Michael Sayers Offline
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Hi Laguna,

Probably Nyiregyhazi makes enough mistakes to qualify as a jazz player wink

No, seriously, I admire the outstanding jazz pianists, and even play some jazz myself, and I've probably listened to all those Library of Congress archived recordings from the 1920s-30s . . . yet I wanted to throw out that little quip in the first line of this post, every jazz player I've ever known would just laugh it off smile


M.

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#2141820 - 08/31/13 12:58 PM Re: How do great pianists practice? [Re: laguna_greg]
Bluoh Offline
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Registered: 12/20/11
Posts: 421
Loc: Canada
Originally Posted By: laguna_greg

I am going to accuse you of not following the conversation as it developed on this thread. There was nothing ambiguous about this post, or the discussion that followed, except as you are willfully ignoring what's already been written.

I think it's nice that you tried to include jazz players on this thread, but that is not how the conversation has been going. You were both very well aware of that before you posted.

Since you brought it up, I'll have to say that I'm not at all interested in how jazz players practice. I have not yet met a jazzer who is as capable a player as Joseph Hoffman, or Sergei Rachmaninoff, Martha Argerich, or even Georg Cziffra.


Hey laguna_greg,

Again, what defines a "great pianist"?

Most Classical pianists can't improvise. I think improvising is important. Maybe you don't. It's like not being able to speak unless you memorized a script.

See? We have different ideas of what a "great pianist" is.

And, is the OP asking about getting technique? How "great pianists" structure their routines? Practicing for performances?

That's ambiguous, bobpickle is right.

My last post also answers your concern:

***

Everyone focusses on different things because they all have natural tendencies. It also depends on the type of piece you're practicing, and your goals.

For example, if you have naturally fast and strong fingers, you'll probably practice less technique, and focus on other things, like rhythm.

And, you'll practice differently if you're doing it for performance than for your own pleasure.

There are so many aspects to practicing, productively, that no one can sum it up in one post.


***

You won't know if Martha Argerich had rhythm problems or tension problems. If she had rhythm problems, then she works on rhythm more. If she had tension problems, then she works on using her energy better.

Her playing comes out almost perfect because she works on her flaws the most. Her flaws will be different from yours.

Some people work better with tons of small breaks. Others can just play for 10 hours straight and they're okay. It depends on the pianist's personality type.

Every pianist is different, you can't just copy someone else's practice routine.

And obviously, Martha Argerich practiced differently from Rachmaninoff.

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#2141875 - 08/31/13 03:55 PM Re: How do great pianists practice? [Re: rov]
toyboy Offline
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Registered: 09/11/08
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Loc: Vermont
I have to say with a certain cynicism, that it amazes me how many people use this forum as a sort of 8-ball toy, asking the question and getting random answers. Either they're using this thing as a piano teacher on the cheap, or they aren't listening to her/him very well.

That said, this book is a very good general guide to all things piano, full of sensible and wise advice, which is to say, he doesn't provide one size fits all approaches.

http://www.amazon.com/Your-Own-Two-Hands...r+own+two+hands

And I found it very interesting to listen to Cziffra practise. Not THE way of course, but A way for sure. And you really could hardly call this practising. More like refining, polishing at the point of these recordings.

This is the first of ten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZZ_XJo46tI
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#2141882 - 08/31/13 04:10 PM Re: How do great pianists practice? [Re: toyboy]
Mark_C Offline
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Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19871
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: toyboy
....this book is a very good general guide to all things piano, full of sensible and wise advice, which is to say, he doesn't provide one size fits all approaches.

http://www.amazon.com/Your-Own-Two-Hands...r+own+two+hands

Occupies a special place on my bookshelf. smile


BTW, about the first part of your post, I didn't view the OP at all as wondering about how he/she or we should practice, but more as a curiosity/interest thing.

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