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#1747137 - 09/05/11 08:24 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: BerndAB]
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Originally Posted By: BerndAB

Liszt could watch all these changes in piano technology. When he was an old man, he could play on the Steinway concert grand of his son-in-law, Richard Wagner, in Bayreuth, who got an early "Centennial" grand #34xxx in 1877 to celebrate the opening of his opera house.



This one, #37826 (rebuilt by us in 2005), is virtually identical to the one that Liszt played. So is #34973, which we rebuilt more recently. It can be seen and played in our new showroom in White Plains, NY - which I will start writing about shortly.

HMMM. A PW party where Sara and Frank (and any PWer who wishes to) plays some Liszt on #34973? Something to ponder. Definitely something to ponder.

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#1749619 - 09/09/11 02:05 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: BerndAB]
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Hello everyone
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Please find below the links to pictures of this wonderfull instrument, When the recordings which I made on this instrument are available, I will put a number of them on Youtube.

The pictures clearly show the extended bass "belly" and the wooden frame. Nevertheless it could be very well tuned. And for such a very old piano the sound was big. You will hear this in the recordings.

Link to the pictures:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Bechstein_576_Grand_piano_(Franz_Liszt)_-_Detail_.jpghttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Bechstein_576_Grand_piano_(Franz_Liszt)_-_Klavier.jpghttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Bechstein_576_Grand_piano_(Franz_Liszt)_-_Wooden_frame.jpghttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Description_of_the_Bechstein_576_Grand_piano_(Franz_Liszt).jpghttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Bechstein_576_Grand_piano_(Franz_Liszt)_-_Wooden_frame_2.jpghttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Bechstein_576_Grand_piano_(Franz_Liszt)_-_Enhanced_base_belly.jpghttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Bechstein_576_Grand_piano_(Franz_Liszt)_being_played_by_Anna_Ivanova.jpg

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#1749780 - 09/09/11 06:55 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Anna Ivanova]
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Wow...that Bechstein 576 is one beautiful piece of machinery. Thank you so much for posting the pictures.

Can't wait to hear what it sounded like.
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#1771136 - 10/15/11 03:42 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Tararex]
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Well this is how it sounds. Hope that it does not dissappoint you. And eh ........... the piano is not for sale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0KekFUMqAw

K rgds Anna


Edited by Anna Ivanova (10/15/11 03:43 PM)

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#1771171 - 10/15/11 05:19 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
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Not the best restoration! But great playing!.
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#1771181 - 10/15/11 05:46 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Anna Ivanova]
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Originally Posted By: Anna Ivanova
Well this is how it sounds. Hope that it does not dissappoint you. And eh ........... the piano is not for sale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0KekFUMqAw

K rgds Anna


Anna,

Thank you for posting the link. It was amazing hearing someone with such skill on this historic instrument.

I must ask, was there something wrong with the piano's sustain on that day? Its harmonics sounded excessively damped throughout the keyboard - or is that to be expected in a piano of this type and age?

kindest, Julie
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#1773361 - 10/19/11 05:44 AM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
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Hi folks

thank you very much for the kind words.

With this piano one must take in account its age. In fact it was produced just a little after the pianoforte period. If you listen well with a headphone you for example also clearly can hear the pedal mechanics.

But it has a wonderfull charm.
One thing that amazed me (and also some of the Bechstein people) is the big sound that it already was able to produce. As I said before: would have appreciated some hours more on this instrument.
Did you by the way see Kit Anderson's movies? Just a few weeks before my recordings he also played this piano.

A few days ago alos Consolation 1 has been added ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5wbE8eI-ks&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL ) Think that the piano sounds wonderfull.

K rgds to you all,
Anna

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#1775659 - 10/23/11 12:12 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Anna Ivanova]
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Hope you did not forget the bicentennial of Franz LISZT´s birthday yesterday October 22th!



To commemorate this event, Kit "The Wunderkind" ARMSTRONG brings a serenade to all of you piano world junkies. He performs on Franz LISZT´s famous Carl BECHSTEIN grand No. 576 which was delivered to Weimar on March 17th, 1862 (now rebuilt and part of the collection at BECHSTEIN Center, "Stilwerk", Berlin): Franz LISZT, Les Cloches de Genève (The Bells of Geneva): Nocturne. Années de pèlerinage (Years of Pilgrimage).



Recently, Anna IVANOVA posted a few great takes performing on this grand, and took some photos, too. One of the pics shows a special feature, a belly-shaped rim of the tail, presumably constructed as a bass-enhancing device.



Surprisingly, the earliest known surviving Carl BECHSTEIN grand No. 142, 1859, now part of the collection of the Kent-based Californian piano rebuilder David WINSTON, shows the same weired feature.



Hence, the special shape of the rim seems to be a rather common feature of Carl BECHSTEIN´s grands in these days.

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#1775851 - 10/23/11 06:58 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
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At one point in his life Liszt was living in a very tiny apartment and played only on a vertical "pianino".

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#1775862 - 10/23/11 07:13 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
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One of our forums members playing one of Liszt's pianos in one of his apartments...
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1690750/3.html

And playing a Liszt piano at Steingraeber...
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1690750/4.html

From our European Piano Tour this past June.
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#1777616 - 10/26/11 04:03 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
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Hi folks

This week-end it was Lisztomania in Weimar and I had a concert in Weimar again. I took the opportunity to quickly pop-in to the Liszt house again and to say hello to some people overthere and to find out the date of make and the serial number of the Bechstein standing there. The one on which I played before. However it was closed and should not be opened without permission of the officials of KS Weimar (which I had not contacted this time). We went into the archives but no information about the date and serial number.
But one thing I learned and which is nice to mention: As we all know Carl Bechstein gave Liszt a new instrument each year.
This was a superb commercial act, as each instrument he took back was sold at a much higher price than the original 'new' price. Just for reason that the master himself had played it ...........

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#1777629 - 10/26/11 04:19 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
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Sounds like the pens used in signing for the pres of USA.

He touched them.
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#1777651 - 10/26/11 04:48 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Lluís]
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Originally Posted By: Lluís
The piano that Liszt loved more was a great Boisselot ( http://www.klassik-stiftung.de/fileadmin/liszt/img/boisselot.jpg ) that has recently been copied by Paul McNulty! ( http://www.myspace.com/vivianasofronitsky/photos/3946690 )
Liszt composed on his Boisselot piano for about 40 years!!

Linked is a broadcast about Franz LISZT´s personal grand by Louis Constantin BOISSELOT 1846 op. 2800 (AAA-a4, about 137cm/249cm/39cm, about 300kg, € 147,000) resp. the building process of the copy by Paul McNULTY (property of Klassik Stiftung Weimar): LISZT´s Geheimnis (LISZT´s Secret), ARD Mediathek (broadcast October 19th 2011, 29 min. 7 sec.).



Edited by Wilhelm6 (10/27/11 06:56 AM)

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#1777654 - 10/26/11 04:51 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Wilhelm6]
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Originally Posted By: Wilhelm6
Originally Posted By: Lluís
The piano that Liszt loved more was a great Boisselot ( http://www.klassik-stiftung.de/fileadmin/liszt/img/boisselot.jpg ) that has recently been copied by Paul McNulty! ( http://www.myspace.com/vivianasofronitsky/photos/3946690 )
Liszt composed on his Boisselot piano for about 40 years!!

Linked is a broadcast about Franz LISZT´s personal grand by Louis Constantin BOISSELOT 1846 op. 2800 grand (AAA-a4, about 137cm/249cm/39cm, about 300kg, € 147,000) resp. the building process of the copy by Paul McNULTY (property of Klassik Stiftung Weimar): LISZT´s Geheimnis (LISZT´s Secret), ARD Mediathek (broadcast October 19th 2011, 29 min. 7 sec.).

The 3D laser scanning of the original BOISSELOT grand shown in the broadcast was realized by the Greifenberger Institut für Musikinstrumentenkunde gGmbH, Greifenberg/BAVARIA.

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#1780737 - 10/31/11 07:24 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Wilhelm6]
Wilhelm6 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Wilhelm6
Originally Posted By: Wilhelm6
Originally Posted By: Lluís
The piano that Liszt loved more was a great Boisselot ( http://www.klassik-stiftung.de/fileadmin/liszt/img/boisselot.jpg ) that has recently been copied by Paul McNulty! ( http://www.myspace.com/vivianasofronitsky/photos/3946690 )
Liszt composed on his Boisselot piano for about 40 years!!

Linked is a broadcast about Franz LISZT´s personal grand by Louis Constantin BOISSELOT 1846 op. 2800 grand (AAA-a4, about 137cm/249cm/39cm, about 300kg, € 147,000) resp. the building process of the copy by Paul McNULTY (property of Klassik Stiftung Weimar): LISZT´s Geheimnis (LISZT´s Secret), ARD Mediathek (broadcast October 19th 2011, 29 min. 7 sec.).

The 3D laser scanning of the original BOISSELOT grand shown in the broadcast was realized by the Greifenberger Institut für Musikinstrumentenkunde gGmbH, Greifenberg/BAVARIA.

A more detailed release of the coverage on Franz LISZT´s BOISSELOT resp. Paul McNULTY´s masterpiece of craftsmanship is uploaded at youtube: LISZT´s Klavier - Part I, II, III


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#2144970 - 09/05/13 11:58 PM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Lluís]
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Yes, I know what you mean about the Boisselot. I own the piano that is identical to Liszt's and which was built identically in every way but five pianos were made between mine and his.
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#2145026 - 09/06/13 01:51 AM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: irving]
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Originally Posted By: irving

This one, #37826 (rebuilt by us in 2005), is virtually identical to the one that Liszt played. So is #34973, which we rebuilt more recently. It can be seen and played in our new showroom in White Plains, NY - which I will start writing about shortly.

HMMM. A PW party where Sara and Frank (and any PWer who wishes to) plays some Liszt on #34973? Something to ponder. Definitely something to ponder.


Beautiful! Thanks for posting the photo - maybe there are more photos of it wink


M.

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#2145030 - 09/06/13 02:01 AM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Anna Ivanova]
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Originally Posted By: Anna Ivanova
Well this is how it sounds. Hope that it does not dissappoint you. And eh ........... the piano is not for sale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0KekFUMqAw

K rgds Anna


Hi Anna,

Maybe there is some way you can get your hands on this Bechstein at the Liszt museum for a recording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apmxGlUZNHw

I love how the tone with that Liszt Legende played on it emerges so seamlessly into the air even in the f - ff bars . . .


M.

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#2145032 - 09/06/13 02:02 AM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: Michael Sayers]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Sayers
Originally Posted By: Anna Ivanova
Well this is how it sounds. Hope that it does not dissappoint you. And eh ........... the piano is not for sale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0KekFUMqAw

K rgds Anna


Hi Anna,

Maybe there is some way you can get your hands on this Bechstein at the Liszt museum for a recording:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apmxGlUZNHw

I love how the tone with that Liszt Legende played on it emerges so seamlessly into the air even in the f - ff bars . . .


M.


Nevermind . . . here it is with you playing it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSLq82Pj8A


M.

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#2145038 - 09/06/13 02:13 AM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
Michael Sayers Offline
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Liszt very much admired the straight strung Erards, as with this one which starting about 1:30 in is played a little by the restorer - what a beautiful, dark tone it has!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E714khu3MPc


M.

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#2145044 - 09/06/13 02:21 AM Re: Liszt's pianos [Re: David Ramezani]
Michael Sayers Offline
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Originally Posted By: David Ramezani
Does anyone of you know anything about Liszt's pianos? What qualities did he search for in a piano? How did he have it adjusted and tuned?

Best regards,

David Ramezani


I think it is interesting when comparing the differing versions of his compositions. The first version of Sonetto 104 di Petrarca seems almost perfect for a Boisselot & Fils with the right sustain and other qualities.


M.

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