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Hi Everyone,

The subject of jazz pianists came up in another post and I am interested to know what other members think of the efforts originating with pianist Jacques Loussier such as:

J.S. Bach - Air on the G String
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14AhD3xdoMk

Chopin - Nocturnes Op. 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVTR-9HyjPA

And also involving other pianists, such as the first 12 minutes of this Dave Brubeck Quartet link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBCUaQeDPGg


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I can't comment much on Loussier himself not having been familiar with him before you brought him up, but the efforts to "modernize," or improvise over, works of the past (as well as those of the present) didn't originate with Jacques Loussier. I remember reading once about a journalist who gave a concert Liszt once gave a rave review, mentioning in one part how he (Liszt) embellished - on-the-spot - a piece of Handel's with the "most beautiful harmonies". A good short summary of the great composers' experiences with improvisation can be read here: http://ericbarnhill.wordpress.com/facts-about-improvisation/

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Loussier usually seems tasteful and intelligent enough to me not to be outright offensive. As jazz, it's a little too unadventurous to get me very interested, though.

I'm not sure how to explain why, but jazzing up classical music always seems to have a kitschy aura about it. Sometimes that bothers me; other times, not so much.







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In principle, I don't have a problem with jazzers jazzing up classical tunes - after all, few jazzers come up with decent original tunes of their own wink .

But if you're going to jazz a classical tune up, do it whole-heartedly, like Leszek Mozdzer did with Chopin, and (in parts) Uri Caine with Bach and Mahler. Loussier's often saccharine treatment is just ladling extra sugary syrup on something that cannot withstand such treatment - his Air on a G string is especially nauseating....


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Originally Posted by wr


I'm not sure how to explain why, but jazzing up classical music always seems to have a kitschy aura about it. Sometimes that bothers me; other times, not so much.




I think it can work very well in Bach, if it's done right. The arrangements by the Swingle Singers are among my favorite listening. Jazzers have been doing that since the 1930s I believe.

But for other composers, and especially Chopin, I don't think it works well at all.

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You either like it, or you don't. If anything, braiding two genres together can get young or new listeners to become interested in listening to either genre extensively. I will agree that it works well with some compositions and not others.

I credit The Modern Jazz Quartet's "Blues on Bach" with sparking my interest in Bach, along with "Switched on Bach" (performed on a Moog Synthesizer). Give a listen. It may surprise you. I still listen to both.



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Here was a fun bit that was posted in the forums awhile back.


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Barbara,

Switched on Bach was the first classical album I ever listened to as a kid. I still love it.

Thank you for reminding me!

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I tend to like jazz versions of things if done well. I have several Loussier and Bolling albums that I like, and I've played some Bolling as well. Art Tatum's Dvorak is also amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYcZGPLAnHA

On the flip side, I'm also a big fan of the classified Beatles albums by John Bayless.

And the rock/electronica versions of Mussorgsky and Holst by Emerson Lake and Palmer.

And Wendy Carlos and Don Dorsey's electronic treatments of Bach.


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Originally Posted by Kreisler

On the flip side, I'm also a big fan of the classified Beatles albums by John Bayless.

And the rock/electronica versions of Mussorgsky and Holst by Emerson Lake and Palmer.

And Wendy Carlos and Don Dorsey's electronic treatments of Bach.


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ACK! Can't believe I forgot TOMITA!

Yeah, I went through a big electronic phase in high school. Jean-Michel Jarre, The Art of Noise, Laurie Anderson, Kraftwerk, etc...


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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
Hi Everyone,

The subject of jazz pianists came up in another post and I am interested to know what other members think of the efforts originating with pianist Jacques Loussier such as:

J.S. Bach - Air on the G String
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14AhD3xdoMk

Chopin - Nocturnes Op. 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVTR...tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBCUaQeDPGg


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I like all of these and no longer have a problem with the mixture of classical music with the jazz idiom. Isn't this what is now known as 'classical crossover'?

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Originally Posted by wr
As jazz, it's a little too unadventurous to get me very interested, though.

Exactly! And my problem with a lot of jazz generally. It seems so unadventurous these days!

The best jazzified piece I ever heard was a version of Chopin's op.25/4 etude. It started normal, and kept launching into super-fast stride piano. If you think how that etude goes, you can almost imagine it.

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Originally Posted by Kreisler
ACK! Can't believe I forgot TOMITA!

Yeah, I went through a big electronic phase in high school. Jean-Michel Jarre, The Art of Noise, Laurie Anderson, Kraftwerk, etc...


Any thoughts on Vangelis, such as with this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGl3041zhAU

I found this interview with Vangelis on Al Jazeera from January of last year to be quite interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K0kiYSStZM


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Yeah, Vangelis' music became quite popular after Chariots of Fire was released. I still have my original Opera Sauvage CD I bought in the early 80's. smile


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Awesome! I never heard it sound better! Thanks for this!


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Originally Posted by beet31425

The best jazzified piece I ever heard was a version of Chopin's op.25/4 etude. It started normal, and kept launching into super-fast stride piano. If you think how that etude goes, you can almost imagine it.

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Originally Posted by TwoSnowflakes
Originally Posted by beet31425

The best jazzified piece I ever heard was a version of Chopin's op.25/4 etude. It started normal, and kept launching into super-fast stride piano. If you think how that etude goes, you can almost imagine it.

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Yes!!!! I LOVE this. Thanks so much for finding it!

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My favorite is Bill Evans' take on Valse by J.S. Bach. His jazz trio actually adds something to the music that wasn't there before - a rare feat indeed:

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tnvMoSCFQeE[/video]

Bill could play both WTC books at an early age, and his touch and sensitivity show in this performance. Enjoy!


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An example of one of the best pianists to combine classical music into the jazz genre, Dorothy Donegan.



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