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#2141943 - 08/31/13 07:13 PM My latest piano adventure...
Rickster Offline


Registered: 03/25/06
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Loc: Georgia, USA
Hi All,

Not that I needed it, but I bought another baby grand piano today. It is one of the 5'8" Kimballs with the Bosendorfer designed plate. A church near by had it for sale on CL pretty cheap, as far as baby grand pianos go. Plus, the church was raising money to remodel part of their facilities for their youth. So, I considered part of the purchase somewhat of a donation (or at least that is how I justified the purchase to my wife smile ).

I went to look at it last week and I liked the way it sounded; I particularly like the action. It has the Schwander action they used on those models; it is quick and the touch is nice. I'm having a difficult time locating the serial #. I did find a number on the action that may be it (48501) but no letter in front of the numbers, like it should be. It has to be from the late 1970/early 80s which is when they started making those models.

It needs some work, but with me being somewhat of a piano-tech wanabe, I can use it to practice on to hone my meager piano tech skills. However, it is a pretty nice musical instrument as is. Some say the Kimballs are not good pianos, but I think it has some potential...

I'll tinker with it a while and have some fun with it and either sell it or give it away.

Here are a couple of pics (the date on my digital camera is way wrong smile )... I'll make a recording of the piano a little later, maybe. smile



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#2141946 - 08/31/13 07:25 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Some of the Kimball grands are not bad at all. This one looks in good condition from the pics. Enjoy this piano!
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#2141947 - 08/31/13 07:32 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Thanks, Bob!

Oh yea, I've got the fall board and key-slip. I just had them off checking things out a bit when I took the pics. I found a quarter down in the action, so my donation to the church is paying off already. smile

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#2141952 - 08/31/13 07:45 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Rick - Are you off your meds for your PAS?

The piano looks great!

Enjoy!
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#2141970 - 08/31/13 08:47 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Congrats, Rick!
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#2141976 - 08/31/13 09:12 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Wow, You're going to need another addition to the piano palace. Seriously, I can't believe you found another good deal.
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#2141983 - 08/31/13 09:41 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
Ed McMorrow, RPT Offline
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Looks like you will be having fun Rickster.

Kimball grands of that era had the serial and model number on a metal plate attached to the back of the key-bed near where the pedal braces mount to the key-bed. The model # starts with 58xx last two digits depend on finish. Serial number starts with a letter.

Often the action frames were mounted to the keyframe a bit too low. Also the strike point in the lower treble area around the area of note 60 is too shallow. Some can be set 3/16" longer.

Looks like yours has the laminated soundboard. These pianos stay in tune very well.
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#2142002 - 08/31/13 10:39 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Boogie-Woogie recording please....

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#2142032 - 08/31/13 11:51 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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What a pretty piano! It is so nice to see the beautiful wood grain. Thanks for sharing.
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#2142078 - 09/01/13 01:39 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
michaelha Offline
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Nice. How many pianos do you have? I do remember you mentioning the C7. You must have a pretty big house to fit 2+ grands.
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#2142090 - 09/01/13 02:49 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Aw, Rick, you're so much fun! I'm on your YouTube channel and I haven't had so much fun watching someone play a piano in ages smile.

I hope I end up with as many as you, and enjoying them as much, too.

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#2142178 - 09/01/13 09:33 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
Rickster Offline


Registered: 03/25/06
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Loc: Georgia, USA
Originally Posted By: Dwscamel
Aw, Rick, you're so much fun! I'm on your YouTube channel and I haven't had so much fun watching someone play a piano in ages. smile

I hope I end up with as many as you, and enjoying them as much, too.

Thanks for the kind words regarding my YouTube videos… thing is, I recognize that I can’t play the piano all that well, and what little I can play is my own, unique, “backwoods-hillbilly" style smile ; same goes for my original songs and arraignments. Some are better than others, and none of them are all that good. But I still have a lot of fun trying. smile

Of course, you never know what people will like… the worst music video I ever posted has received over 528,000 views. It’s a mystery to me.

Oh yea, I did finally locate the serial number on the Kimball… (thanks, Ed McMorrow). It was stamped in large numbers on the flat, vertical edge at the back of the key-bed (right side facing the piano), like Ed said. Looks like the metal plate is missing, but the numbers stamped in the wood won’t be going anywhere anytime soon. It was hard to find, thus the reason I had a difficult time finding it, since it is all painted black. The number is A82715, so it appears to be a late 1977 model.

In regards to how many pianos I have now, I've got two grands, the C7 (which I absolutely love!!) the Kimball I just got, (which I like smile ), an older Kawai 48A upright (a very nice, sweet sounding piano) and the Baldwin 243 upright. My house really ain't all that big, but my music room is starting to get crowded. I am working on my detached garage to make it more enviornmentally friendly for acoustic pianos.

And, Sally, you are the one who suggested that I not use my C7 to practice my piano tech skills, so I'm taking your advice! smile

And, Norbert, yes, I’ve been playing some fast boogie-woogie on the piano, and it sounds good to me! Maybe I will do a video recording soon. I’ve been working on my version of Suwannee River Boogie. smile

Rick


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#2142204 - 09/01/13 10:44 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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You've got too much something, Rick. Money? Time? Room in your house? smile

I like the wood grain.
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#2142206 - 09/01/13 10:48 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
rocket88 Offline
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Registered: 09/04/06
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You are a all-around piano inspiration, Rick...you save them, collect them, fix them, tune them, play them, post piano music of them...way to go!
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#2142214 - 09/01/13 11:09 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
Rickster Offline


Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 8525
Loc: Georgia, USA
Originally Posted By: Rockett88
You are a all-around piano inspiration, Rick...you save them, collect them, fix them, tune them, play them, post piano music of them...way to go!

Thanks Rocktt88!

My goal in life is to be able to play the boogie-woogie as well as you!! Of course, I’ve got a long way to go yet and you’ve set the bar high. smile

I would like to think I’m a positive influence/inspiration to someone, and pianos are a wonderful musical instrument.

And, Annie, no, I don’t have a lot of money or a big house or a lot of time, but I do have a lot of enthusiasm for pianos. You’d be surprised how much (or how little) I have invested in my pianos… (I have to find the bargains when they come along). If I ever win the lottery, I’ll buy me a brand new piano. smile

Rick

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#2142225 - 09/01/13 11:43 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Good going, Rick!

But, you have to be careful. I live in constant fear of becoming the piano equivalent of a cat lady...

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#2142281 - 09/01/13 02:00 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Way to go Rick! My wife has promised a swift execution if I bring home any more strays at this time. As for your playing, you don't have to be any one but you!
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#2142315 - 09/01/13 03:11 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
MacDan Offline
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Registered: 04/26/06
Posts: 91
Loc: Tampa, FL
Rick,

Just remember - don't be discouraged by some who speak poorly about Kimballs in general.

I purchased a 1926 Kimball grand and recently had my tech rebush the keys, rebuild the action and voice it. While I spent more doing this than it's probably worth, it's a great instrument and allowed me to get a nice sized (+6') grand to start my piano studies on.

I could dump more money into it but it wouldn't be financially prudent. I plan on playing it for a few years before I become more accomplished and graduate up to something newer. If there was a negative I would say that the bass register is a little "tubby", but other than that it plays well for its age.

Del was a big help in assuring me about this purchase, which made me feel a lot more comfortable about it as I moved forward.

When I move on my Kimball will be donated to a deserving organization or owner who can continue to put it to good use.

Dan

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#2142331 - 09/01/13 03:59 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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I've occasionally toyed with the idea of a second piano just for a different palette, although I dare not bring it up to my parents (although there is a gigantic blank spot in our new home where a piano would fit nicely). But it would be a neat thing to have. However, I honestly can't imagine owning more than 2, unless you enjoy trios or have a really large home :P

I must say that does look really nice for a church piano. The grand at our church always looked really banged up, IIRC.
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#2142504 - 09/01/13 09:26 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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We used to call that a Kimballdorfer
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#2142570 - 09/01/13 11:39 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
Rickster Offline


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Originally Posted By: Glenn Treibitz
We used to call that a Kimballdorfer

I've read some pros and cons about the influence the Kimball/Bosendorfer relationship had on the Kimball grands of that era. Not sure about all the debate, but I like the big sound holes in the plate, which does resemble the Bosendorfer plate.

Anyway, I did some cleaning, adjusting and hammer filing on the Kimball today, and it is sounding and playing even better. As has been mentioned already, it was not out of tune all that much, even though it hasn’t been tuned in years, according to the pastor of the church I purchased it from. It sounds very similar to the 6’7” Kimball Viennese model I played a few years ago when I was looking for a 7 footer. The low bass is not as rich as the 6’7” model, but the rest of the piano sounds very similar.

It’s been fun tinkering with it so far, and some of my relatives want to buy it from me already. I gave my sister my old Conover upright I just refurbished, and now she wants the Kimball. smile

Rick
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#2142601 - 09/02/13 01:05 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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There was a 10 ft 1 inch 1984 Kimball Olympic Commemorative concert grand advertised on Pianomart last month for 3k dollars which looked new in the photos. I didn't know they made them that big .
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#2142628 - 09/02/13 02:18 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Nash. Piano Rescue]
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Originally Posted By: Nash. Piano Rescue
There was a 10 ft 1 inch 1984 Kimball Olympic Commemorative concert grand advertised on Pianomart last month for 3k dollars which looked new in the photos. I didn't know they made them that big .


This one? It does not look to be 10'-1" in the photo, not even 9', which I think they made, or had made by Bösendorfer.
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#2142709 - 09/02/13 08:40 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT]
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Originally Posted By: Ed McMorrow, RPT
Looks like yours has the laminated soundboard.


Ed, which visuals lead you to this conclusion?
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#2142712 - 09/02/13 08:50 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Originally Posted By: Rickster
It’s been fun tinkering with it so far, and some of my relatives want to buy it from me already. I gave my sister my old Conover upright I just refurbished, and now she wants the Kimball. smile

Oh-Oh -- Is PAS genetic?
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#2142742 - 09/02/13 10:10 AM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Originally Posted By: Mark R
Originally Posted By: Ed McMorrow, RPT
Looks like yours has the laminated soundboard.

Ed, which visuals lead you to this conclusion?

Hi Mark,

Maybe Ed will chime in again in response to your question, but I have also heard Del Fandrich mention that these models (Kimbaldorfers as Glenn put it) had laminated soundboards. I'm not quite sure how to tell. It is my understanding that they made 2 different models of this Viennese editions from the late 1970's until they stopped making pianos in the early 90's, the 5'8" and a 6'7". They do look similar in style and plate design.

What has surprised me so far, is how nice the action feels.

And Marty, I'm not sure if PAS is genetic or not, by my sister has two old uprights now... smile

Rick
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#2142816 - 09/02/13 01:37 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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I recorded a short video of me playing the Kimball this morning. It sounds a little brighter in the video than it does in real life, but the mic on cam-corder is not the best.

Kimball 5'8" baby grand 1977 model

Anyway, you can get an idea of what it sounds like. It still needs some serious regulation, hammer voicing and fine tuning, but I'll get to that later.

Happy Labor Day!!

Rick
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#2142889 - 09/02/13 03:44 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Rickster]
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Nice video Rick, I'm still working on mine, the cam-corder just doesn't do it justice... The sad part is the church is exactly where that piano should be and yet they would rather have the latest "keyboard", bleach. The older larger Kimball's were to my understanding very good pianos on par with Knabe, Baldwin, and such.
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#2143743 - 09/03/13 11:21 PM Re: My latest piano adventure... [Re: Swarth]
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Rick, thanks for posting the pictures and the story. I have one of the 6'7"s from that same time period, although not the Viennese version. I believe the 5'8 and the 6'7 used the same Schwander action; is that what yours has? I've wondered how similar (or different) that action is compared to mine since mine is not the Viennese.

I'm still very interested in doing some additional things to mine, especially some that Del mentioned, but I just haven't gotten the time to do so.
Please keep up posted on what you find and do on yours---it might give me additional ideas for mine.

Interesting that my serial number is similar to yours. Mine is A97100, but mine is clearly not a Viennese version and not one of the Bosy versions (to the best of my knowledge). Hmmmm......


Edited for typo.


Edited by Steve in Cincy (09/04/13 03:36 PM)
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