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#2143086 - 09/02/13 09:01 PM Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question
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Does anyone know the best source for getting either a paper sheet book or high quality pdf for the Bach Inventions 772-786?

I need the fingering cues, but am not interested in any added ornamental notations. Does Schirmer's have the fingering?

Also, I would like a relatively large staff, since my eyes aren't the greatest. Any thoughts would be appreciated, thanks.
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#2143531 - 09/03/13 04:48 PM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: Psychonaut]
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Hmm, guess I'm not the only one who doesn't really know the answer to your questions. My edition is Kalmus, which has some suggested fingerings. I haven't compared it with other editions, though.
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#2143537 - 09/03/13 05:01 PM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: Psychonaut]
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If Alfred Masterworks has an edition, probably edited by Palmer, I would expect that to have fingerings in it. There may be suggestions of ornaments, but they would be printed in grey type so you can easily tell they are editorial.

Henle provides editions both with and without fingering, so by being careful about which publication number you buy, you can acquire fingerings that way. There won't be any ornaments added beyond what appears in the original sources.

If you can find these on sheetmusicplus.com, then you can look at the preview pages to gauge the staff size.
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#2143565 - 09/03/13 06:07 PM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Hmm...I have the Schirmer edition with the Czerny fingerings which I like, but the staff size isn't huge. I find it also does a good job with separating out ornaments and those kinds of things.
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#2143607 - 09/03/13 07:19 PM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: Psychonaut]
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Richard Jones edited the ABRSM editions in both the Signature Series (Inventions and Sinfonias) and the Easier Piano Pieces series (just the Two Part Inventions).

The print is very clear in both editions and I tend to prefer them over Henle.

I have the Edition Peters with Czerny's fingerings and the Augener edition with Franklin Taylor's but I think that'll be out of print by now. Neither are as clear as the ABRSM editions.
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#2143774 - 09/03/13 11:56 PM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
If Alfred Masterworks has an edition, probably edited by Palmer, I would expect that to have fingerings in it. There may be suggestions of ornaments, but they would be printed in grey type so you can easily tell they are editorial.



I'm using this. Yes the fingerings are suggested, I don't really use them.
The print is so large that an invention typically covers 3 pages (rather than the usual 2 on musicnotes.com).
I usually photocopy the 3rd page so that I don't have to turn any pages when I play the invention.

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#2143911 - 09/04/13 08:17 AM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple
Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
If Alfred Masterworks has an edition, probably edited by Palmer, I would expect that to have fingerings in it. There may be suggestions of ornaments, but they would be printed in grey type so you can easily tell they are editorial.



I'm using this. Yes the fingerings are suggested, I don't really use them.
The print is so large that an invention typically covers 3 pages (rather than the usual 2 on musicnotes.com).
I usually photocopy the 3rd page so that I don't have to turn any pages when I play the invention.


I'm also using this edition and like the slightly larger format. The fingering suggestions are usually pretty good - there are a number of times I have thought, "nope, this will work better" and after a week go back to the one they suggested.
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#2143931 - 09/04/13 09:18 AM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: Psychonaut]
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Thanks for the replies, and I will look into all of this. I'm finding the fingering by far to be the single most important barrier to playing BWV 772. Since I'm already something of a piano hack without formal training, I find I can read these notes OK, and that my fingers are fluid enough to play them without too much trouble (at least at relatively slow tempos), but this Bach stuff is (of course) really, really cleverly designed, and if you don't finger them properly, it becomes "oops" I've run out of fingers...

...I reflexively use a 5 when I need a 4, or a 1 when I need a 2 at the beginning of a run, that sort of thing. I clearly have some very bad, sloppy fingering habits to unlearn and relearn.
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#2143938 - 09/04/13 09:51 AM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: Psychonaut]
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One thing to do is to work out your fingerings slowly, carefully, with much going back and forth and revising measure by measure or even note by note as you work it out and discover you've run out of fingers a measure later. This is note by note, before you start practicing it. Then when you have a fingering that works, write it in and follow it. That will prevent accidentally running out of fingers.

The fun begins when there doesn't seem to be any fingering that doesn't run out of fingers... this is one of the reasons I like fingered editions, even when I modify their fingerings.
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#2144365 - 09/05/13 12:16 AM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: PianoStudent88]
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I have both the Henle and the Wiener Urtext with fingerings, I do prefer the latter, it's somehow easier for my eyes. But for more complete fingerings, you could check out the Busoni edition:
http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/b/b2/IMSLP42098-PMLP03267-Inventions_Busoni.pdf

I usually have to figure out much of the fingerings myself anyway due to my hand shape...

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#2144450 - 09/05/13 04:01 AM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: Psychonaut]
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In Bach Inventions, there are many repeating patterns. So as much as possible, you want to use the same fingering for the same/similar patterns.

E.g., in BWV 772, for the right hand, rising notes might start with finger 1 and descending ones might start with the 4th finger (just before the next beat at the 3rd finger).

There are exceptions of course, but maybe 80% of the Invention might be fingered consistently in this way.

The more you notice these patterns, the more consistent / efficient your fingering will be. So you can build your fingering for whole patterns and even phrases, instead of note-by-note. This will help the musicality of your playing as well.


Edited by peekay (09/05/13 04:08 AM)
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#2144504 - 09/05/13 08:58 AM Re: Bach Inventions Sheet Music Question [Re: outo]
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Originally Posted By: outo
I have both the Henle and the Wiener Urtext with fingerings, I do prefer the latter, it's somehow easier for my eyes. But for more complete fingerings, you could check out the Busoni edition:
http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/b/b2/IMSLP42098-PMLP03267-Inventions_Busoni.pdf

I usually have to figure out much of the fingerings myself anyway due to my hand shape...


Awesome resource, thank you! I went ahead and purchased a Czerny spiral-bound edition of both the two and three part Inventions, as well as a book called The Complete Book of Scales, Chords, Arpeggios and Cadences from Alfred Publishing, but will definitely be exploring this Busoni pdf too.


Edited by Psychonaut (09/05/13 09:27 AM)
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