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#2143800 - 09/04/13 01:00 AM Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position?
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Which Primer method books keep the RH in C position and LH in F position for the whole book? That's what I want for my kids first book.

Faber changes positions too frequently and that is making my job tougher because my students are not learning to read well enough.

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#2143805 - 09/04/13 01:36 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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Faber changes position too frequently because they figured out the benefits of moving away from middle-C position as soon as possible. Almost all the modern, post-1960 methods do that.
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#2143909 - 09/04/13 08:13 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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Thompsons Easiest piano course, level 1
PreTime Favorites (Faber) supplementary
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#2143955 - 09/04/13 10:33 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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Middle C position. (Shudder)

I'm puzzle by the statement "my students are not learning to read well enough" when referring to the Faber series. I don't think it's the method that's the issue.
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#2143961 - 09/04/13 10:39 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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If you're building a studio and/or wanting to improve your teaching skills, you will want to consider joining MTNA if you haven't already. Their conferences generally have excellent displays of vendors and teaching materials, which will help you expand beyond the limited number of holdings you generally find in local music stores. MTNA's next conference is in March 2014 and is centrally located in Chicago. I'm not much of a fan of Chicago, having grown up nearby, I generally avoid the place. But John Perry, from the Thorton School of Music, and many others will be presenting. I've attended many of Mr. Perry's masterclasses and miniclasses over the years, and he is one of the "must do" presenters. Health permitting, I'll be there and hope to see many other PW teachers as well.
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#2144020 - 09/04/13 12:43 PM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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Originally Posted By: rintincop

Faber changes positions too frequently and that is making my job tougher because my students are not learning to read well enough.

I'm interested in knowing more about your approach to teaching reading, and how the issue of positions is involved in this. I'd understand that you need the music to stay in one position for your approach to work.

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#2144081 - 09/04/13 02:57 PM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: dumdumdiddle]
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Originally Posted By: dumdumdiddle
Middle C position. (Shudder)

I'm puzzle by the statement "my students are not learning to read well enough" when referring to the Faber series. I don't think it's the method that's the issue.

Amen.

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#2144276 - 09/04/13 09:32 PM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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I like a supplement series titled "The Perfect Start for Note Reading" by Kevin and Julia Olson. OP, you might like this one as it does stay in middle C position through the whole book. It's a new series, FJH publishing.
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#2144382 - 09/05/13 12:50 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: Barb860]
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Originally Posted By: Barb860
I like a supplement series titled "The Perfect Start for Note Reading" by Kevin and Julia Olson. OP, you might like this one as it does stay in middle C position through the whole book. It's a new series, FJH publishing.

I've used it for one of my slow, slow, slow students. It served its purpose, but I'm afraid my student is even slower than that. I had to find supplement books between 1B and 2A, and then between 2A and 2B.
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#2144463 - 09/05/13 05:07 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: red-rose]
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Originally Posted By: red-rose
Originally Posted By: dumdumdiddle
Middle C position. (Shudder)

I'm puzzle by the statement "my students are not learning to read well enough" when referring to the Faber series. I don't think it's the method that's the issue.

Amen.


I disagree.
I did not use Faber's Primer at all because I do not like it.
I keep my brand new student in my own material for 20 lessons before starting them Faber's Lesson 1. Faber's Level 1 (Red Color) and up is pretty good, however, somehow I am very disconnect with Primer Level (Purple color).
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#2144531 - 09/05/13 10:01 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: bzpiano]
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Originally Posted By: red-rose
Originally Posted By: dumdumdiddle
Middle C position. (Shudder)

I'm puzzle by the statement "my students are not learning to read well enough" when referring to the Faber series. I don't think it's the method that's the issue.

Amen.


I disagree.
I did not use Faber's Primer at all because I do not like it.
I keep my brand new student in my own material for 20 lessons before starting them Faber's Lesson 1. Faber's Level 1 (Red Color) and up is pretty good, however, somehow I am very disconnect with Primer Level (Purple color).
more info was given in the OP which isnt all quoted here - Most modern methods use moving hands in the primer book (right?) anyone is obviously free to dislike the Faber primer, but for the reason that "the moving hands prevents them from learning" or makes it too difficult is a warning flag (imho) that the fault isn't with the method.

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#2144553 - 09/05/13 10:51 AM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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The OP hasn't come back to the thread yet. I'd think that whatever is being used to teaching reading relies heavily on staying in one position, and relating to that position in some way. So how is reading presently being taught, and how do positions figure into it?

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#2144609 - 09/05/13 12:45 PM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: red-rose]
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Originally Posted By: red-rose
more info was given in the OP which isnt all quoted here - Most modern methods use moving hands in the primer book (right?) anyone is obviously free to dislike the Faber primer, but for the reason that "the moving hands prevents them from learning" or makes it too difficult is a warning flag (imho) that the fault isn't with the method.

Most of the methods I use get the hands moving across the keyboard early on, and they prevent the kids from staying in one position for too long. Kids should not stay in any position for too long, or else they will start associating finger numbers with certain keys.

Same thing with C position. I had a few transfer students who just had to play the L.H. bass C with a 5 every single time. Even if by the logic of fingering they should arrive at a 2 on bass C, they'll instinctively jump to using a 5 because they've been in C position forever.
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#2146077 - 09/07/13 11:26 PM Re: Which Primer keeps RH in C position and LH in F position? [Re: rintincop]
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I think Bastian stays in middle C position, but you will have trouble retaining students if you take the easiest route early on. I think even Faber makes it too easy, which can lead to problems down the track.

Drilling note names (flashcards, getting them to name the notes in a piece before playing it) and intervals will make your life a breeze after a year or two.

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