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#2143881 - 09/04/13 06:59 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Sam S]
timmyab Offline
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Just wait until you get to the second movement, it's enough to make you want to weep.I think it was that movement that convinced me that I'm an idiot.

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#2145583 - 09/07/13 03:02 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
Ken. Offline
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Op.49/2 was the first sonata my teacher had me practice. But I ended up playing Bach's 2 part inventions which actually seem harder with their counterpoint.
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#2145791 - 09/07/13 01:38 PM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
Valencia Offline
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timmyab –thanks for these other suggestions. i'll update the list! no worries about cold water, it's appreciated. smile

Ken-thanks for sharing your experiences with op. 49/2. I haven't tried any of the Bach Inventions. Do you think they are good preparation for learning some of the beethoven sonatas?



Updated List:

Intermediate:

Sonata 1 in F minor, Op. 2, No. 1
1st mvt-Allegro
2nd mvt-Adagio
3rd mvt-Menuetto
4th mvt-Prestissimo (challenging tempowise!)

Sonata 3 in C major, Op.2, No.3
2nd mvt-Adagio
3rd mvt-Scherzo:Allegro

Sonata 5 in C minor, Op.10 No. 1
1st mvt-Allegro molto conbrio
2nd mvt-Adagio molto

Sonata 6 in F major, Op.10, No.2
2nd mvt-Allegretto

Sonata 7 in D major, Op. 10 No. 3
3rd mvt-Menuetto-Allegro

Sonata 8 in C minor, Op. 13 (Pathetique)
2nd mvt-Adagio cantabile

Sonata 9 in E major, Op. 14 No.1
1st mvt-Allegro
2nd mvt-Allegretto
3rd mvt-Rondo-Allegro comodo

Sonata 10 in G major, Op.14 No.2
1st mvt-Allegro
2nd mvt-Andante

Sonata 11 in B-flat major, Op. 22
3rd mvt-Menuetto

Sonata 12 in A-flat major, Op.26
3rd mvt-Maestoso andante, marcia funebre sulla morte d’un eroe

Sonata 13 in E-flat major, Op. 27, No. 1 (Quasi una Fantasia)
2nd mvt-Allegro molto e vivace

Sonata 14 in C # minor, Op. 27, No.2 (Moonlight)
1st mvt-Adagio sostenuto
2nd mvt-Allegretto

Sonata 19 in G minor, Op.49, No.1
1st mvt-Andante
2nd mvt-Rondo:Allegro

Sonata 20 in G major Op.49, No.2
1st mvt-Allegro ma non troppo
2nd mvt-Tempo di Menuetto

Sonata 21 in C major, Op. 53 (Waldstein)
2nd mvt-Introduzione:Adagio motto-attacca

Sonata 23 in F minor, Op.57 (Appassionata)
2nd mvt-Andante con moto

Sonata 25 in G major, Op. 79
1st mvt-Presto alla te desca
2nd mvt - Andante
3rd mvt-Vivace

Sonata 26 in E-flat major, Op. 81a (Les Adieux)
2nd mvt-L'Absence: Andante expressivo

Sonata 27, Op. 90 in E minor
2nd mvt -Nicht zu geschwind und sehr singbar vorgetragen

Sonata 18 in E-flat major, Op. 31, No.3
3rd mvt-Menuetto


Late-Intermediate

Sonata 10 in G major, Op.14 No.2
3rd mvt-Scherzo: Allegro assai (poly-rhythmic sections and other difficulties)

Sonata 8 in C minor, Op. 13 (Pathetique)
3rd mvt-Rondo: Allegro

Sonata 24 in F-sharp major, Op.78
1st mvt- Adagio cantabile - Allegro ma non troppo

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#2147117 - 09/09/13 05:53 PM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
Ken. Offline
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Hi Valencia. I'm sure 49/2 would be a good preparation for the harder beethoven sonatas.

My teacher told me it was a popular one for children to start playing the sonatas.
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#2148573 - 09/12/13 02:43 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
Ganddalf Offline
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What about a "Beethoven sonata" project? Maybe a bit less formal than the themed recitals.

Pesonally I'm planning to learn the whole Op.22. If I just start working on this without any deadline or planning to play it on a recital or make a recordng, I'll probably give up half-way. I have found these e-citals quite helpful in structuring my piano practice, and this is the reason why I make this suggestion.

I don't expect many ABFers to take on a whole Beethoven sonata. But some will perhaps try one or two movements.

Is anyone interested in this? Deadline maybe 6 months from now????

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#2148603 - 09/12/13 05:27 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Ganddalf]
Sam S Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
What about a "Beethoven sonata" project? Maybe a bit less formal than the themed recitals.

Pesonally I'm planning to learn the whole Op.22. If I just start working on this without any deadline or planning to play it on a recital or make a recordng, I'll probably give up half-way. I have found these e-citals quite helpful in structuring my piano practice, and this is the reason why I make this suggestion.

I don't expect many ABFers to take on a whole Beethoven sonata. But some will perhaps try one or two movements.

Is anyone interested in this? Deadline maybe 6 months from now????


This might work if we allow duplicates - and be prepared to hear multiple performances of the Moonlight.

I'm working on 49/1 1st movement. Should be ready in 6 months smile

Sam

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#2148612 - 09/12/13 06:02 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
timmyab Offline
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I'd probably have a go at something.Maybe a movement from one of the late sonatas.

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#2148621 - 09/12/13 07:23 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
WiseBuff Offline
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Loc: Brighton Colorado
Might need more than 6 months but I'm working on 14#1...maybe 1 1/2 movements. Should be a fun challenge.
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#2148644 - 09/12/13 08:20 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
Ganddalf Offline
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Six months was just a suggestion. And why not allow duplicates? Selcting pieces that are not so frequently played should be encouraged, however. There are many pearls among the "intermediate" movements listed.
I'm also thinking that it should be up to each participant to choose if he/she wants to make a video or just a sound recording.

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#2149034 - 09/12/13 08:41 PM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
Valencia Offline
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Posts: 250
Sounds like fun! hmmm..what piece would I learn? I've already started practicing the 3rd mvt of moonlight but I'm sure I can't learn it in 6 mo time (if at all). Might have to choose another piece to try to learn for something like this...

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#2149048 - 09/12/13 09:19 PM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
dynamobt Offline
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I'm working on Beethoven now too! Op 2 no 1 1st and 3rd mvts. And Moonlight 2nd mvt.

I think depending on how I do on these, my teacher has ideas about me tackling a full sonata. ????? I don't now about that!!

I'm in if we do something like this. Definitely duplicates allowed and submit whatever format you want Mp3 or video.
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#2149148 - 09/13/13 12:57 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
IanW Offline
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Registered: 08/28/09
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Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
I've culled these results from the Piano Syllabus app on Google Play:

Grade 5
Op 2 No 2 Mvmt 3
Op 14 No 1 Mvmt 2
Op 14 No 2 Mvmt 2
Op 49 No 1 Mvmt 1

Grade 6
Op 10 No 3 Mvmt 3
Op 22 Mvmt 3
Op 26 Mvmt 2
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#2176512 - 11/03/13 02:59 PM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Sam S]
Valencia Offline
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Registered: 12/06/11
Posts: 250
Originally Posted By: Sam S
Originally Posted By: timmyab


Sometimes the way that people talk about the Beethoven sonatas can be misleading.When they say that a particular sonata is easy or difficult, it's mostly relatively speaking.Nearly all of them are somewhere between difficult and ridiculous.


It's taken me weeks to get 49/1 1st mvt close to playable, and that is one of the "easy" sonatas. The turns in the right hand and the Alberti bass are my nemesis. And the sonata, to me, now sounds more like Mozart than Beethoven...

Sam


Hi Sam,

I remembered you mentioning Alberti bass on this thread (that was before I knew what it was!) I found this tutorial online today and though it deals with a different Beethoven sonata,thought it might be helpful to you or to anyone else working on Alberti bass:


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#2176549 - 11/03/13 04:38 PM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
jrcallan Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 367
Loc: Pennsylvania
The 2nd movement of the Pathetique sonata (#8 Op.13) is absolutely do-able in short order (I know 'cuz I can play it). Don't know about the other movements.

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#2176836 - 11/04/13 08:48 AM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: Valencia]
grimupnorth Offline
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Registered: 10/24/13
Posts: 1
Loc: UK
Interesting thread. I think there are some big challenges in some the pieces being thrown about here - someone who can only just serve up the notes of the 1st movement of the Moonlight sonata is going to get a shock even just try Op 2 or the Pathetique slow movement. But, it is wonderful music, and worth exploring.

I would like to advance a vote for some of the earlier movements of the Op 26 sonata in A flat - specifically the theme and the easier variations. It's lovely music and very 'pianistic' I think.

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#2177013 - 11/04/13 03:42 PM Re: Beethoven Sonatas-mvts accessible to intermediate players [Re: timmyab]
EdwardianPiano Offline
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Registered: 07/29/11
Posts: 752
Loc: Liverpool, England
Originally Posted By: timmyab
Just wait until you get to the second movement, it's enough to make you want to weep.I think it was that movement that convinced me that I'm an idiot.


Don't worry Timmy....Beethoven drove a (by all accounts very good) pianist called Daniel Steibert to leave Vienna as Beethoven wiped the floor with him in an epic piano improvisation concert. What mortal could compare themselves to Beethoven? blush

Keep going...I made a right mess of Fur Elise tonight yet I know I can do better on it.
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"He who divines the secret of my music is delivered from the misery that haunts the world."


Ludwig Van Beethoven

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