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#2144486 - 09/05/13 07:21 AM My New Grand Piano!
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Registered: 03/18/12
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Loc: Australia
Hello everyone!
I have actually almost had it for a month now, but I purchased a Toyama TG-2 Baby grand! It is 5 foot, but sounds a lot bigger than it is! smile
I was after either a baby grand or a 52" upright (almost bought a Kawai US-50 on impulse, glad I waited!)
I narrowed my search down to a Yamaha GB1K and a Kawai GM10, mostly because they were in my budget... "Tsk tsk", I know! I had liked the Toyama better, but was hesitant because, well, what is Toyama? But I found out some more information from the dealer that made me more than comfortable buying this brand!

In the store it (the Toyama) was there against a Yamaha GB1k, a Kawai GM10 and a Kawai GM12, and let me tell you- it left these 3 pianos in the dust! Far better sounding in my opinion! Its sound is not too bright (like the GB1k) and not too mellow (like the Kawai GM10- very, very muddy!) it is right in between, and I love it! The sound is so versatile, one minute you can be playing beautiful, delicate repertoire, then the repertoire of virtuoso pianist without the sound 'giving out' like I find on a lot of smaller pianos... Whats the word? Warping? Im not sure, but either way, the sound on this Toyama does not 'warp' when played fortissimo. It also doesn't have that 'woody' tone a lot of smaller pianos have.
I also find the bass on 5 foot grands to be rather weak, however the bass on the Toyama is very strong for its size, and I am more than pleased with it! Also, the treble is just beautiful! I find a lot of Kawai's tend to have very dead upper registers.

The touch is on a piano is always my biggest thing to pick at, and the touch on the Toyama is excellent! You have absolute control over what you're playing and it just feels awesome! It is very firm, which I always prefer, and all my students when they first sat down at it commented on "how heavy it is!" and I think its important for students to practice on a heavy action so they can be prepared for any piano that may come their way.
To be honest, I even liked the action over a Schimmel the show room also had. In fact I liked the entire piano better than a Bosendorfer they had... I know, I must be crazy, right?

I was hesitant to buy this piano as there is not much on the internet about Toyama, but the dealer told me that Toyama is just the name Brodmann use in certain places (Australia being one) so that gave me confidence in the brand because I had been reading so much positive stuff about Brodmann on the internet but was disappointed to find you can't purchase Brodmann in Australia, but turns out you can! Its just called Toyama!

Also, another point is that this piano actually reminds me of a Yamaha S4, well at least the couple I have played! Not just that the touch is heavy like the 2 S4s I have played, but it just feels like the S4, and sound is similar to an S4- maybe slightly brighter.
Also, please note, because the S4 is a hand crafted piano it would vary from piano to piano, so I am judging this off the 2 S4 pianos I have played.


PS: The middle pedal is a sostenuto pedal, unlike the GB1K's bass sustain.

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#2144487 - 09/05/13 07:47 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Congratulations on your new baby grand piano!

I know you will enjoy it for many years to come!

All the best!

Rick
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#2144540 - 09/05/13 10:21 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Congrats! We love pictures... Hint, hint.
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#2144565 - 09/05/13 11:21 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Congrats...getting a grand is one glorious event! But yes, please tons of pics laugh
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#2144657 - 09/05/13 02:28 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Registered: 08/26/13
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Loc: Long Island, New York
Congratulations on your new piano! I had never heard of Toyama; it sounds like they've managed to get a lot of piano into a small footprint. I was wondering what technologies they've actually incorporated to overcome the usual shortcomings inherent in such a small grand. Did you have a chance to compare quality of the piano's tone in different size rooms? And a true sostenuto? Amazing!
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#2144667 - 09/05/13 02:56 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
jc201306 Offline
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Registered: 06/21/13
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Congratulations!

The only thing I know about Toyama is that the pianos are built in Shanghai, China. The same factory builds Brodmann pianos too. However I do not know if the two brands share the same design or not. A well made Chinese piano is certainly a bang for the buck.

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#2144698 - 09/05/13 04:06 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: ron201]
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Originally Posted By: ron201
And a true sostenuto? Amazing!

Almost every grand piano on the market today has a "true" sostenuto, so that's not exactly what I would call "Amazing!"...
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#2144712 - 09/05/13 04:42 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: terminaldegree]
ron201 Offline
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Thank you, I stand corrected! I thought most small grands had "base sustain" center pedals, that are sometimes mistakenly called a sostenuto pedal.
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#2145144 - 09/06/13 08:56 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: ron201]
TheAccompanist Offline
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Registered: 03/18/12
Posts: 86
Loc: Australia
Thanks everyone! smile Ill post pictures as soon as I figure out how...

Originally Posted By: jc201306
Congratulations!

The only thing I know about Toyama is that the pianos are built in Shanghai, China. The same factory builds Brodmann pianos too. However I do not know if the two brands share the same design or not. A well made Chinese piano is certainly a bang for the buck.

According to the dealer, Toyama and Brodmann are the exact same pianos, just a different label. Somewhat like Samick and Alex.Steinbach!

Originally Posted By: ron201
Thank you, I stand corrected! I thought most small grands had "base sustain" center pedals, that are sometimes mistakenly called a sostenuto pedal.

No, I think you're correct, a lot of baby grand pianos have a bass sustain, not a sostenuto! I know the Yamaha GA1, GB1 and GC1 have bass sustain not a sostenuto pedal.

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#2145149 - 09/06/13 09:13 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Originally Posted By: iMou354

According to the dealer, Toyama and Brodmann are the exact same pianos, just a different label. Somewhat like Samick and Alex.Steinbach!

No, I think you're correct, a lot of baby grand pianos have a bass sustain, not a sostenuto! I know the Yamaha GA1, GB1 and GC1 have bass sustain not a sostenuto pedal.


Which Brodmann? Which Samick? You make it sound like they sell one model of piano with one level of quality, when I'm pretty sure they build to at least three price points, each (or more), with different specifications of parts as well.

You seem fixated on the sostenuto pedal, but your information is incorrect. The current GC1 has a sostenuto pedal, standard:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/grandpianos/g_series/gc1/?mode=model

I don't know why you're bringing up the GA1 - that model hasn't been made in about a decade now, right?

I'm happy you're excited about your piano, and hope it gives you many years of pleasure. If you think it's a better piano than a Schimmel, Bosendorfer, Yamaha, Kawai, and similar to a Yamaha S4, then congratulations... crazy
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#2145202 - 09/06/13 11:15 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: terminaldegree]
TheAccompanist Offline
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Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: terminaldegree

Which Brodmann? Which Samick? You make it sound like they sell one model of piano with one level of quality, when I'm pretty sure they build to at least three price points, each (or more), with different specifications of parts as well.


Sorry, perhaps they don't sell Alex.Steinbach outside of Australia. Alex.Steinbach is the name Samick pianos go under here in Australia (we have Samick as well, but A.S seems to be more common.) And thats the case here with the Toyama, Toyama is the name Brodmann go under in Australia. So its the same models and whatever, just different labels.

Originally Posted By: terminaldegree

You seem fixated on the sostenuto pedal, but your information is incorrect. The current GC1 has a sostenuto pedal, standard:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/keyboards/grandpianos/g_series/gc1/?mode=model

I don't know why you're bringing up the GA1 - that model hasn't been made in about a decade now, right?

Sorry, I should have double checked about those Yamaha pianos before typing, I was just basing it off a friend who has a GC1 which has a bass sustain, so he must have an older one. And I didn't realise the GA1 was out of production.
But, I am sorry, but I do not see how I am "fixated" on the sostenuto pedal? I made a couple brief comments, not an entire thread!

Originally Posted By: terminaldegree

I'm happy you're excited about your piano, and hope it gives you many years of pleasure. If you think it's a better piano than a Schimmel, Bosendorfer, Yamaha, Kawai, and similar to a Yamaha S4, then congratulations... crazy

Sorry, don't know if you're trying to be rude with that little crazy face thing, but I never said I think its better, I just liked it better! To sit and play, I liked it better! Your comment is making it seem as if I am saying this piano trumps all pianos made by each of those brands, but what I said is it was far better than Kawai's GM10 and GM12, and far better than Yamaha's GB1K, thats 3 models, not an entire brand of piano. And yes, I liked it better than the Bosendorfer they had there in the store, that does not mean I automatically dislike every Bosendorfer in the world. And well, I have never been a fan of Schimmel.
At the end of the day, a pianist could spend $100,000 on a piano and hate it. I chose a piano after over 6 months of searching based on how it played, not what brand made it.
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#2145246 - 09/06/13 12:06 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Originally Posted By: iMou354
I chose a piano after over 6 months of searching based on how it played, not what brand made it.

That is the way it should be, in my view.

However, brand-name and brand-name recognition/reputation plays a big role in our decision making process; for better or for worse. smile

Rick
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#2145286 - 09/06/13 01:32 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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iMou354,

Congratulations on your purchase - I am glad you found the one you like at a price you could afford!

Now - looking forward to some pictures?

Jonathan

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#2145297 - 09/06/13 01:53 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Registered: 06/27/09
Posts: 1607
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: iMou354

Also, another point is that this piano actually reminds me of a Yamaha S4, well at least the couple I have played! Not just that the touch is heavy like the 2 S4s I have played, but it just feels like the S4, and sound is similar to an S4- maybe slightly brighter.
Also, please note, because the S4 is a hand crafted piano it would vary from piano to piano, so I am judging this off the 2 S4 pianos I have played.


Seriously?

A quick search on the Internet shows:
"I've played on Toyamas before, although they're not "fake", I do not recommend them. Pearl River and Essex (manufactured by Pearl River, designed by Steinway) are much better pianos for Toyama's price."

When you began comparing to the Yamaha S4, which is in the same class as the Shigeru Kawai SK3, you lost all credibility. You're comparing a 5' Chinese piano for the Chinese market to a 6'3 hand-made Yamaha?
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#2145420 - 09/06/13 06:43 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: 4evrBeginR]
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Registered: 07/29/09
Posts: 127
Originally Posted By: 4evrBeginR
Originally Posted By: iMou354

Also, another point is that this piano actually reminds me of a Yamaha S4, well at least the couple I have played! Not just that the touch is heavy like the 2 S4s I have played, but it just feels like the S4, and sound is similar to an S4- maybe slightly brighter.
Also, please note, because the S4 is a hand crafted piano it would vary from piano to piano, so I am judging this off the 2 S4 pianos I have played.


Seriously?

A quick search on the Internet shows:
"I've played on Toyamas before, although they're not "fake", I do not recommend them. Pearl River and Essex (manufactured by Pearl River, designed by Steinway) are much better pianos for Toyama's price."

When you began comparing to the Yamaha S4, which is in the same class as the Shigeru Kawai SK3, you lost all credibility. You're comparing a 5' Chinese piano for the Chinese market to a 6'3 hand-made Yamaha?


The poster's opinion of the two makes is no less valid than your own. That he's overjoyed with his new piano is really all that matters, and we should be happy for him. To second-guess personal preference based on first-hand experience comes across as rude.

Since you brought up credibility, quoting an anonymous Yahoo Answers user's unsubstantiated (unless citing the web page of a piano technician in Toyama Prefecture Japan who is completely unaffiliated with the similarly-named Chinese factory counts as substantiation) opinion on the topic certainly doesn't add credence to your viewpoint.

Have you played both makes before? The OP has.

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#2145441 - 09/06/13 07:36 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: Rickster]
TheAccompanist Offline
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Registered: 03/18/12
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Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: 4evrBeginR
Originally Posted By: iMou354

Also, another point is that this piano actually reminds me of a Yamaha S4, well at least the couple I have played! Not just that the touch is heavy like the 2 S4s I have played, but it just feels like the S4, and sound is similar to an S4- maybe slightly brighter.
Also, please note, because the S4 is a hand crafted piano it would vary from piano to piano, so I am judging this off the 2 S4 pianos I have played.


Seriously?

A quick search on the Internet shows:
"I've played on Toyamas before, although they're not "fake", I do not recommend them. Pearl River and Essex (manufactured by Pearl River, designed by Steinway) are much better pianos for Toyama's price."

When you began comparing to the Yamaha S4, which is in the same class as the Shigeru Kawai SK3, you lost all credibility. You're comparing a 5' Chinese piano for the Chinese market to a 6'3 hand-made Yamaha?


Wow. Rude!
But anyway, first of all, I have seen that post on Yahoo Answers, was aware of it, but then I read the hundreds of positive remarks about the Brodmann (if you read the rest of this thread you would know they are the same piano), I also did my own research, found out the Toyama has higher quality parts than say Yamaha's GB1K, I went and played it, and it out played all the pianos around its price point. And did you ever think its possible that the person that posted on Yahoo Answers was somehow tied to Pearl River? Because I played a couple Essex grands as they were on my list, and I walked away quickly! For what they are, which isn't much, they are just overpriced simply because it has the words "Designed by Steinway and Sons" on it, and I am not going to fork out money for a brand name, I am going to fork out money for a piano that plays to my liking, and has good quality parts. Yes I was hesitant at the start to buy this piano because there is not much on the internet about Toyama, but as soon as I found out its Brodmann, just under a different name, and I had been reading all this positive stuff about Brodmann, I had no troubles putting my trust in this piano.
Secondly, I never said the piano was better than an S4, I said it REMINDED me of an S4. I have spent over 500 hours playing a particular S4, so I am pretty familiar enough with one to know how they feel and sound, and say another piano reminds me of another piano. Same thing as human beings! We can say "That person looks like that person" but that doesn't mean they are the same person or look identical, they look SIMILAR, or REMIND us of another person.



Originally Posted By: Rickster
Originally Posted By: iMou354
I chose a piano after over 6 months of searching based on how it played, not what brand made it.

That is the way it should be, in my view.

However, brand-name and brand-name recognition/reputation plays a big role in our decision making process; for better or for worse. smile

Rick

Yes it does Rick smile Like I said, I was hesitant to buy the Toyama because there wasn't much information on the internet about it, but once I found out its just another name for Brodmann, I was happy to buy it! smile

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#2145442 - 09/06/13 07:41 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: Voltara]
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Originally Posted By: Voltara
Originally Posted By: 4evrBeginR
Originally Posted By: iMou354

Also, another point is that this piano actually reminds me of a Yamaha S4, well at least the couple I have played! Not just that the touch is heavy like the 2 S4s I have played, but it just feels like the S4, and sound is similar to an S4- maybe slightly brighter.
Also, please note, because the S4 is a hand crafted piano it would vary from piano to piano, so I am judging this off the 2 S4 pianos I have played.


Seriously?

A quick search on the Internet shows:
"I've played on Toyamas before, although they're not "fake", I do not recommend them. Pearl River and Essex (manufactured by Pearl River, designed by Steinway) are much better pianos for Toyama's price."

When you began comparing to the Yamaha S4, which is in the same class as the Shigeru Kawai SK3, you lost all credibility. You're comparing a 5' Chinese piano for the Chinese market to a 6'3 hand-made Yamaha?


The poster's opinion of the two makes is no less valid than your own. That he's overjoyed with his new piano is really all that matters, and we should be happy for him. To second-guess personal preference based on first-hand experience comes across as rude.

Since you brought up credibility, quoting an anonymous Yahoo Answers user's unsubstantiated (unless citing the web page of a piano technician in Toyama Prefecture Japan who is completely unaffiliated with the similarly-named Chinese factory counts as substantiation) opinion on the topic certainly doesn't add credence to your viewpoint.

Have you played both makes before? The OP has.


I agree. Just plain rude and unnecessary. Snobbish if you ask me.

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#2145450 - 09/06/13 08:32 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: Grandman]
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Honestly, when an owner claims his 5' piano of ANY make is like another company's 6'3 piano, that's suspect. It doesn't matter what brand the piano is. The law of physics still apply.
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#2145451 - 09/06/13 08:35 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: Mr. Square]
TheAccompanist Offline
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Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: Mr. Square
Congrats! We love pictures... Hint, hint.

Well here they are! Hopefully ;P
Sorry the quality of the photos is pretty lame, and don't do the piano much justice... I just took it with my iPhone and the sun coming in was interfering.

This second photo, the light makes it look like there is something green in the piano, but I assure you there isn't! haha!


I have some others still to come...

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#2145452 - 09/06/13 08:46 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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#2145453 - 09/06/13 08:52 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Very nice!

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#2145457 - 09/06/13 09:02 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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It's a beautiful piano. Congrats!!

I just bought a used upright, it would be a dream to have a grand piano someday.

How big of a room is needed for a 5' grand like yours?
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#2145461 - 09/06/13 09:14 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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I have not played a Toyama but I like Brodmann, a lot of value for the money. I got a little stuck on your comparison to something almost 10X the price and significantly bigger in size. It's like you held it out there so I had to take a swing at it! laugh

Congratulations on your new piano. Practice a lot!
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#2145484 - 09/06/13 10:00 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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First of all, OP stated many times that he never said a Toyama TG2 was as good as a Yamaha S4. All he said was that HIS toyana reminded him of the S4s HE played. He is entitled to his own opinion, just as anyone else on this forum. So if you are an S4 owner and anxious about his comment, well, don't be.

That being said, due to the relative small amount of information about Toyama piano here, his opinion does carry large weight. Therefore I did some research on the web, especially among Chinese piano forums.

It seems that Toyama is one of the major piano brands in China, and hundreds if not thousands postings can be found on Toyama upright and grand pianos. The pianos are built in factories across three , not just one, major cities in China. Their original business plan was in fact to mimic and to compete head-to-head with Japanese Yamaha. In realty, however, consumers tend to compare them with other local brands rather than imports.

The overall feedbacks seem to be that, even though it is more expensive, the quality of a Toyama is similar to that of a Pearl River. Sound or tone is never the problem. In fact many people liken its sound to that of a Yamaha (which is a big compliment over there). But quality issues, such as uneven keys, stuck keys, cracking case, etc. are common. And that is the major reason many people there bought the cheaper Pearl River over Toyama.

Therefore, it turns out that, the anonymous Yahoo Answers posting is an accurate summary of the popular comments in China.

Disclaimer: I have never played on any Toyama.

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#2145501 - 09/06/13 10:51 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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iMou,

Thanks for the picture. Does that window get direct sunlight? You might want to have some sort of screen or blinds there to help protect the finish of the piano. I've also read from technicians that sunlight moving across the piano can cause the tuning of the instrument to change over the course of the day as well.

Did the dealer have multiple Toyamas in this size in their inventory? If so, were they consistent from one to the next?
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#2145508 - 09/06/13 11:04 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Thanks for posting the pictures! It is a beautiful piano!

Congratulations again!

Rick
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#2145522 - 09/06/13 11:42 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: terminaldegree]
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Originally Posted By: jc201306
It seems that Toyama is one of the major piano brands in China, and hundreds if not thousands postings can be found on Toyama upright and grand pianos.


Its interesting that you say that, as when I did research on them I didn't find much at all!
All I have been told, and I can see is that Toyama is just another name Brodmann go under in other parts of the world. But when I think about it, I think it is more Brodmann is the name Toyama uses in the US.
And I understand the dealer wants to make a sale, but he told me that the Toyamas they have sent to very dry parts of Australia are still holding up just as well as Yamahas they have sent to very dry places, sooo perhaps those postings you read about cracking cases exec are old and the quality has been improved.

Originally Posted By: terminaldegree
iMou,

Thanks for the picture. Does that window get direct sunlight? You might want to have some sort of screen or blinds there to help protect the finish of the piano. I've also read from technicians that sunlight moving across the piano can cause the tuning of the instrument to change over the course of the day as well.

Did the dealer have multiple Toyamas in this size in their inventory? If so, were they consistent from one to the next?

I do normally have blinds, just had to remove them when I repainted the room just before the piano came. I am yet to find time to put them back up, and have just been using a very thick blanket as a curtain for the past month! But during the day, there is no direct sunlight coming down on the piano because of trees in the yard and the roof stretches out around the house just enough to stop the sun directly the piano. Its one of the main reasons I chose to make this room my studio smile

Also, yes, they had plenty of Toyamas on the show room floor, brand new ones, and ones that had been rented out for a year or 2 and returned, and I have to say that each piano played just like the next! They were very identical and didn't vary much at all- except for the ones that had a "Needs to be tuned" note on them :P haha but even then, the ones in need of a tune were not too bad either! And when my piano arrived 400kms from the dealer, it still had almost perfect tuning! So hopefully thats a good sign for the future that it has good tuning stability.
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#2145524 - 09/06/13 11:47 PM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: peekay]
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Originally Posted By: peekay
It's a beautiful piano. Congrats!!

I just bought a used upright, it would be a dream to have a grand piano someday.

How big of a room is needed for a 5' grand like yours?

Thank you! smile
Well my studio/music room is about 9 square metres smile
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#2145529 - 09/07/13 12:30 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Registered: 06/21/13
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Originally Posted By: iMou354
Originally Posted By: jc201306
It seems that Toyama is one of the major piano brands in China, and hundreds if not thousands postings can be found on Toyama upright and grand pianos.


Its interesting that you say that, as when I did research on them I didn't find much at all!
All I have been told, and I can see is that Toyama is just another name Brodmann go under in other parts of the world. But when I think about it, I think it is more Brodmann is the name Toyama uses in the US.
And I understand the dealer wants to make a sale, but he told me that the Toyamas they have sent to very dry parts of Australia are still holding up just as well as Yamahas they have sent to very dry places, sooo perhaps those postings you read about cracking cases exec are old and the quality has been improved.


The postings I saw were all written in Chinese. Google "托雅玛钢琴", which is Toyama's Chinese name, and you will see the postings. I simply translated what I read for the benefit of the people on this form who do not read Chinese.

You are correct that these postings are mostly about the pianos sold within China. And the problems reported there may or may not show up in pianos Toyama exported abroad. Even iPhone and iPad are made in China. Chinese can build solid products if they want to.


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#2145540 - 09/07/13 01:21 AM Re: My New Grand Piano! [Re: TheAccompanist]
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Registered: 02/25/11
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Loc: Boston, MA
It's beautiful! Congrats. I never got caught up with the pretension of name status either. I shopped and bought what felt great for me and my daughter. The action and features of my piano are more than adequate. If I ever need to upgrade I will (I upgraded three times in a short span). It's the same as my car... More features for the least investment. It's about getting the most bang for your buck and meeting your needs! I was not in the market for a new Baldwin based on what I heard but when my dealer and I discussed my price point he asked me to check one out. It was better than the others in its range and and had far more features. I have no regrets whatsoever. I don't think I ever walk by it without touching it. Lol it's like patting a kid on the head smile

Remember, this forum is full of enthusiasts and professionals so it's natural for them to critique but having your own grand is something that should highly valued smile.

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