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#2141731 - 08/31/13 09:41 AM C. Holzl
Cummins70 Offline
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I have an upright C. Holzl. I am wondering if anyone has any history knowledge on this piano? It says Wien under the name and inside it says Vienna Austria. I've had it tuned several times but it doesn't last long. I've had it for 18 years, bought it at an auction in Maryland for a dollar. It is black and in great condition, even the soundboard is in great condition, no rust or damage, other than can't be tuned. My kids and I just play little songs on it, even though it doesn't sound great!

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#2141758 - 08/31/13 11:00 AM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Cummins70]
Rich Galassini Offline
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The C. Holzl was made by Holzl & Heintzmann and they were located in the historic city of Vienna. It is interesting to me that it says "Vienna" inside because I did not think that they exported their pianos. To me, any English on the piano would indicatre that they did.

The only ones I have seen had pre-modern actions and were decent quality when new, but were over 100 years old. You may also see a reference to Bosendorfer on the piano, which would indicate that one of the builders "studied" piano building with that company. I don't recall if I saw this on this particular brand but it happened, particularly in the 19th c.

I see from my reference that they actually kept building a small number of pianos until 1933. The two I have come across (in a shop in Vienna) were older than that. Do you have a serial number?
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#2141788 - 08/31/13 11:53 AM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Rich Galassini]
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The C. Holzl was made by Holzl & Heintzmann and they were located in the historic city of Vienna. ...
Small Correction: The company in Vienna was Hölzl & Heitzmann. Heintzman, sometimes referred to as the "Canadian Steinway", was located in Toronto. They are different names, there is no connection between the two, to my knowledge.

Sometimes a piano's tunability can be restored using a chemical on the pin block. Call in a piano technician to have a look. Otherwise, the repair costs would by far exceed the value of the piano.

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... I did not think that they exported their pianos. To me, any English on the piano would indicatre that they did...
Perhaps it was to give the impression that they were exporting into foreign markets. Obviously, it worked and still does! (A little bit like the unknown entertainer who is "big in Thailand" or somewhere else)
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#2141790 - 08/31/13 11:55 AM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Supply]
Rich Galassini Offline
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Originally Posted By: Supply
Small Correction: The company in Vienna was Hölzl & Heitzmann. Heintzman, sometimes referred to as the "Canadian Steinway", was located in Toronto. There is no connection between the two, to my knowledge.

Perhaps the piano's tunability can be restored using a chemical on the pin block. Call in a piano technician to have a look. Otherwise, the repair costs would by far exceed the value of the piano.


Jurgen,

If you are going to talk logic, I don't want to chit-chat. smile

(Thanks for the correction.)
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#2143525 - 09/03/13 04:36 PM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Rich Galassini]
Cummins70 Offline
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Registered: 08/30/13
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Loc: Penciltucky
Thanks for your info! I do not see any numbers on it? Where would I find this? I had a man from New York tell me many years ago that it probably was taken out of Austria when the Germans invaded Austria and that's how it eventually found it's way here?

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#2143869 - 09/04/13 06:06 AM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Cummins70]
Rich Galassini Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cummins70
Thanks for your info! I do not see any numbers on it? Where would I find this? I had a man from New York tell me many years ago that it probably was taken out of Austria when the Germans invaded Austria and that's how it eventually found it's way here?


Hmmm... I suppose that is possible. Did you buy the piano from this man? Was he there? Otherwise I don't see how he could know that.

This reminds me of a story. We rebuilt a Bluthner once and the owner said he bought it while in the military in Germany and traded a bottle of American whiskey for it.

Interesting stuff.
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#2143906 - 09/04/13 08:07 AM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Rich Galassini]
Cummins70 Offline
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Registered: 08/30/13
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Loc: Penciltucky
Well this man was a very prestigious piano dealer! I think he was just coming up with different scenarios! He offered his help instead of sarcasm!

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#2143908 - 09/04/13 08:12 AM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Cummins70]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Ahem Cummins,

You might want to reread Mr. Galassini's response. There was no sarcasm in his reply.

BTW - Mr. Galassini is a very prestigious piano dealer and historian!
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#2145101 - 09/06/13 07:17 AM Re: C. Holzl [Re: Cummins70]
Rich Galassini Offline
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Registered: 05/28/01
Posts: 9141
Loc: Philadelphia/South Jersey
Originally Posted By: Cummins70
Well this man was a very prestigious piano dealer! I think he was just coming up with different scenarios! He offered his help instead of sarcasm!


I was not being sarcastic at all. Sorry you read my posts that way.
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