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#2152542 - 09/17/13 09:54 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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Marcos, you might've grown up on uprights and horizontals, but you are a DP-Guy at heart.

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#2152561 - 09/17/13 10:12 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Marcos Daniel]
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Originally Posted By: Marcos Daniel
Am I very abnormal if I grew up playing uprights and grands and never noticed the notch's utility?
My pianissimo is as impressive as horowitz's was :P


Yes, apparently both of our piano teachers were very remiss and never taught us the secret tricks of the trade.

My pianissimo is pretty good when I play on DP's. Thank goodness for technological innovation.


Edited by gvfarns (09/17/13 10:13 PM)

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#2152562 - 09/17/13 10:13 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando


It's a consistent pattern that the people who discount the possibility of the notch being useful are always the DP guys. They just can't stretch themselves to imagine it being useful, or even how it can be incorporated into their technique and certain pieces. They dismiss it as an undesirable artefact of the action. Now it is an artefact, but those who play real grand pianos are aware of its value.


Hi Ando,

I learned on acoustic grand pianos. I practiced for years on acoustic grand pianos. And, until recently, I owned a Yamaha GA-1 baby grand (made in Japan model, not Indonesia) for 13 years. So, I consider myself both an acoustic GP guy as well as a digital piano guy.

We are just going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on this issue.

My humble opinion is that the so-called "playing off the jack" ( i.e using the "Let-off" notch feedback to actively modulate one's playing of an intricate piece)...is simply not done in practice, in the real world. Pianists may be convinced that this is what is occurring, but I feel that they are mistaken.

I humbly submit that what actually is occurring, subconsciously, is you are using your mind's mental map, experience and familiarity of your piano's keyboard (in your case, the V-Piano) to allow the keys to rise to just the right height in order to still allow for quick repetition and/or soft, pianissimo texture.

Notice that I am not saying that tactile feeling of the Let-Off "notch" doesn't exist. What I am saying, is it is so subtle, that IMHO it is not something that can be actively exploited in real-time, during the execution of a medium to difficult (and especially fast) composition. Everything is simply happening too fast for the human brain to discriminate these subtle neural input signals coming through the fingers, followed by processing of this information, and then returning the correct nerve signals to the associative finger muscles.

It can be done when you are striking one or two notes, with no other distractions, and actively feeling for the subtle notch effect. But when you are involved in an actual performance and the playing of a complex phrase (involving multiple key strokes, all requiring precise timing)...I submit that you are actually relying on your memory/experience and familiarity with the piano's action, in order to play pianissimo / sotte voce passages.

It is similar to the phenomena of a composition that has been learned and committed to long-term memory. You can play through the piece, and your active consciousness is on auto-pilot. You aren't stopping to think about what is the next note I have to hit. It is just automatic. In fact, if you are in the middle of a piece, and all of a sudden actively concentrate your thoughts towards what you are playing, and what comes next...often, you will come to a screeching halt.

P.S. -- A hypothetical thought experiment...
I am pretty confident that if any and all physical sensation and feedback, caused by the Let-Off/repetition mechanism, were completely eliminated from a professional pianist's grand piano...they would still be able to execute their repertoire with the same precision and subtlety as before.


Edited by Tritium (09/17/13 10:44 PM)

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#2152714 - 09/18/13 01:59 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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Very well put, Tritium. Although I'm still far from learning/performing the complex pieces you have in mind, I too have already experienced the "phenomenon" where I botch even the simplest phrases when I start thinking too much about what note to play next.
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#2152790 - 09/18/13 07:18 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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Originally Posted By: Tritium
Originally Posted By: ando


It's a consistent pattern that the people who discount the possibility of the notch being useful are always the DP guys. They just can't stretch themselves to imagine it being useful, or even how it can be incorporated into their technique and certain pieces. They dismiss it as an undesirable artefact of the action. Now it is an artefact, but those who play real grand pianos are aware of its value.


Hi Ando,

I learned on acoustic grand pianos. I practiced for years on acoustic grand pianos. And, until recently, I owned a Yamaha GA-1 baby grand (made in Japan model, not Indonesia) for 13 years. So, I consider myself both an acoustic GP guy as well as a digital piano guy.

We are just going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on this issue.

My humble opinion is that the so-called "playing off the jack" ( i.e using the "Let-off" notch feedback to actively modulate one's playing of an intricate piece)...is simply not done in practice, in the real world. Pianists may be convinced that this is what is occurring, but I feel that they are mistaken.

I humbly submit that what actually is occurring, subconsciously, is you are using your mind's mental map, experience and familiarity of your piano's keyboard (in your case, the V-Piano) to allow the keys to rise to just the right height in order to still allow for quick repetition and/or soft, pianissimo texture.

Notice that I am not saying that tactile feeling of the Let-Off "notch" doesn't exist. What I am saying, is it is so subtle, that IMHO it is not something that can be actively exploited in real-time, during the execution of a medium to difficult (and especially fast) composition. Everything is simply happening too fast for the human brain to discriminate these subtle neural input signals coming through the fingers, followed by processing of this information, and then returning the correct nerve signals to the associative finger muscles.

It can be done when you are striking one or two notes, with no other distractions, and actively feeling for the subtle notch effect. But when you are involved in an actual performance and the playing of a complex phrase (involving multiple key strokes, all requiring precise timing)...I submit that you are actually relying on your memory/experience and familiarity with the piano's action, in order to play pianissimo / sotte voce passages.

It is similar to the phenomena of a composition that has been learned and committed to long-term memory. You can play through the piece, and your active consciousness is on auto-pilot. You aren't stopping to think about what is the next note I have to hit. It is just automatic. In fact, if you are in the middle of a piece, and all of a sudden actively concentrate your thoughts towards what you are playing, and what comes next...often, you will come to a screeching halt.

P.S. -- A hypothetical thought experiment...
I am pretty confident that if any and all physical sensation and feedback, caused by the Let-Off/repetition mechanism, were completely eliminated from a professional pianist's grand piano...they would still be able to execute their repertoire with the same precision and subtlety as before.


I never said I use it for anything fast. I don't only for very slow/sustained passages. It's also not really applicable to upright actions, to those who mentioned them.

Tritium, you can "humbly submit" whatever you like about what you think I'm doing, but there is a glaring problem with that: you don't actually know me! I have used this technique at certain times - sometimes just for a pianissimo opening chord to make sure I don't fail to reach the strings from a cold start. But also at other times. This technique does exist - albeit not terribly frequently and I'm not suggesting it's a staple of piano performance.

I don't consider the current DP emulations of the notch to be authentic. I wouldn't care whether a DP had it because it doesn't feel like an acoustic piano anyway.

Oh, and when people say they will respectfully agree to disagree on something, it means they stop talking about it. I think what you meant was, "I'd like to talk about this some more", which is fine by the way. wink

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#2152794 - 09/18/13 07:25 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Clayman]
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Originally Posted By: Clayman
Very well put, Tritium. Although I'm still far from learning/performing the complex pieces you have in mind, I too have already experienced the "phenomenon" where I botch even the simplest phrases when I start thinking too much about what note to play next.


To be frank, if you are far from learning/performing complex pieces, you really aren't qualified to judge this. So saying something is "well put" is irrelevant. This belongs to complex technique. The discussion about playing off the jack is for people who have actually tried it.

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#2152807 - 09/18/13 07:50 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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I don't really care about what you think I am or am not qualified to judge. I was actually refering to Tritium's point about playing by heart instead of thinking about it but that's a moot point. At any rate, I will keep your attitude in mind next time.
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#2152823 - 09/18/13 08:31 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Clayman]
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Now, now... Let there be peace between the AP Guys and the DP Guys. In the end we all have one thing in common: piano/keyboard obsession. Tomater-tomato; pianist-keyboardist, same difference. For the record, I'm a DP Guy!

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#2152825 - 09/18/13 08:37 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Clayman]
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Originally Posted By: Clayman
I don't really care about what you think I am or am not qualified to judge. I was actually refering to Tritium's point about playing by heart instead of thinking about it but that's a moot point. At any rate, I will keep your attitude in mind next time.


You wanted to pull one sentence out of an entire long post about playing off the jack, and then say "well put"? Surely you can see that when you make a general "well put" with no further details, you are agreeing with the entire post? If not, why not say what it is you agree with?

What strikes me about these discussions, and it's happened many times now, is that those who are sceptical about this technique are happy to dismiss people who use it and suggest that they are either not doing it, or imagining something, or that it's completely impossible. Don't you think that is actually a bit disrespectful? It tends to happen more on the DP forum because most players here don't even have a piano with such a "feature", let alone use it.

I'm happy to accept that plenty of you people don't, and never will, use this technique, but I don't appreciate being told I'm in fantasy land because I say I can make use of it. Why would I bother writing posts about using it if I don't? What grounds has anyone got to suggest that I don't know what I'm talking about when I discuss my own playing?

How would you feel if somebody kept telling you that something you do fairly often was not actually happening? I think you'd get tired of it. I'm not talking about finding water with a dowsing stick - I'm talking about something you would clearly see if you saw me play on a grand piano.

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#2152834 - 09/18/13 08:53 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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Do there exist any video demos of what's being discussed? Would it even be possible to show anything of use in a video demo?

Do any of the renowned virtuosos or well-known and respected teachers say anything or demonstrate anything about it which might illuminate what most of us probably don't get?

How about audio. What does playing off the jack sound like when compared with not doing so?

Surely someone can give an idea?

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#2152835 - 09/18/13 08:56 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: ando]
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I should have been more specific. That much I'm guilty of. That does not change how I feel about your response, though.

Now if you have managed to make the let-off work for you and help you with certain elements of your playing style, that's all good. But I think it's you who needs to take the chill pill right now. Nobody accused you of dreaming things up. All of us just chimed in with their two cents. Only you started taking things personally.
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#2152837 - 09/18/13 09:03 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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- another quicky:

Is the letoff on an upright radically different from that employed on a grand piano?

Thanks if anyone can help...

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#2152855 - 09/18/13 09:25 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Clayman]
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Originally Posted By: Clayman
I should have been more specific. That much I'm guilty of. That does not change how I feel about your response, though.

Now if you have managed to make the let-off work for you and help you with certain elements of your playing style, that's all good. But I think it's you who needs to take the chill pill right now. Nobody accused you of dreaming things up. All of us just chimed in with their two cents. Only you started taking things personally.


No, you also took it personally, it was quite clear by the way you marked my attitude for the future. And it's why you followed up with, "That does not change how I feel about your response, though." Telling people to take chill-pills is just passive-aggressive crap pretending to be cool.

This is not a "personal" discussion though. In a real factual sense, you can play off the jack, and some people do. Some people don't. The fact that some say they do should be enough to end the scepticism part of the debate. Another fact is that DP manufacturers are bothering to put a simulation of let-off, albeit a poor one IMO, into their products. Are we going to suggest they haven't done their research into this? They see it as a marketable feature. Who are they marketing it to? I assume acoustic piano owners, since most DP owners appear not to use it or find it annoying.

Conclusion: play off the jack, don't play off the jack. It doesn't matter much. But don't say it's not possible.

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#2152871 - 09/18/13 09:48 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Clayman]
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Originally Posted By: Clayman
I should have been more specific. That much I'm guilty of. That does not change how I feel about your response, though.

Hey, Clayman, no need to take ando's response personal, he does that to everyone, myself included.

Just keep enjoying the discussion on keyboards for prodigies with lighted keys and logos, and all grin
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#2152875 - 09/18/13 10:01 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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I'm only allergic to arrogance, not a difference in opinions.

Okay, I'm through with this.


Edited by Clayman (09/18/13 10:02 AM)
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#2152898 - 09/18/13 10:32 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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so, summing up: DP actions are only good enough for 1% of concert grand virtuosos who 1% of their time need some special effects as often heard as Cage's prepared pianos.

great for all the other non-concertist pianist population who only want to play pianos with good action for a fair price
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#2152945 - 09/18/13 11:44 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: doremi]
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Originally Posted By: doremi
Originally Posted By: Clayman
I should have been more specific. That much I'm guilty of. That does not change how I feel about your response, though.

Hey, Clayman, no need to take ando's response personal, he does that to everyone, myself included.

Just keep enjoying the discussion on keyboards for prodigies with lighted keys and logos, and all grin


I don't even remember you - that's how significant you are to me. Put me on ignore if you can't take it. Or start a support group with Clayman.

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#2153300 - 09/18/13 07:50 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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I own an ES7. My roommate has an older acoustic upright. Want to know what I practice on?

And I am the beginner.

Want to know what I've caught my roommate practice tricky grade 8 pieces on?

The ES7.

The difference in action is there, but it is minimal. The acoustic is not a concert instrument, but what stands out is this...

I've begun composing my own pieces. I've discovered that as I speed up I have finger speed. Every note is crisp, clear. The action never holds me up. And it is an engineered constant feel and sound on every key.

My opinion is that the average person that plays an ES7 is going to remark on how good it feels.

I recently found myself at a friends house and the conversation of my having composed my first piano piece, Soul's Echo, came up. Turns out they have a DP in the basement. I played it and I was shocked by how bad it was. The feel of the keys were plastic (spoiled by ivory touch I am), and the action was horrid. In fact, it was a stressful experience to play because I had to focus more on ensuring connection through some irregular sticky keys than allowing myself to express emotion.

Anyone who is going to say a high quality DP is unacceptable is voicing an opinion. And how many human beings are going to play at a level where any differences would really be a problem?

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#2153475 - 09/19/13 03:38 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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I'm sure if Mozart had a choice, he would have picked a (modern) DP over one those old school APs. Not only because it's cool and modern (which he was too) but also because of the Midi functions. Just imagine what he would have produced. wink
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#2153481 - 09/19/13 03:49 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Cmin]
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He could`ve wrote and played his concertos without the orchestra . . . he`d be popular!

Many years ago, the local Musicians Union members were reluctant to play with organists. . . .
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#2153482 - 09/19/13 03:53 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Clayman]
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Originally Posted By: Clayman
I'm only allergic to arrogance, not a difference in opinions.

Okay, I'm through with this.


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#2153491 - 09/19/13 04:12 AM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
He could`ve wrote and played his concertos without the orchestra . . . he`d be popular!

...yeah, some people might know him.

I just find it kind of ridiculous all this arguing about what is better, the action, the sound.... blah, blah, blah.

None is better! It's all a matter of taste, price, and what you want. Who cares what some say. If you like (A/D) piano x over (A/D) piano y, great! Go for it. It's called freedom of choice in this society.

Just take a listen to this. Almost any new DP's sound beats that (and probably feels better). That's a sound I got for free with Pianoteq, and will probably never even use it.

Just MHO.
Cheeerio

Edit: No hard feelings. I just wanted to show that even "gods" like Mozart or Beethoven were able to produce master pieces using what they had at the time. When some start comparing nuances of how the notes end or how the hammer hits, touches or releases the strings, I have to chuckle. Just play and enjoy.


Edited by Cmin (09/19/13 07:52 AM)
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#2153742 - 09/19/13 12:22 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Cmin]
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Originally Posted By: Cmin
Originally Posted By: peterws
He could`ve wrote and played his concertos without the orchestra . . . he`d be popular!

...yeah, some people might know him.

I just find it kind of ridiculous all this arguing about what is better, the action, the sound.... blah, blah, blah.

None is better! It's all a matter of taste, price, and what you want. Who cares what some say. If you like (A/D) piano x over (A/D) piano y, great! Go for it. It's called freedom of choice in this society.

Just take a listen to this. Almost any new DP's sound beats that (and probably feels better). That's a sound I got for free with Pianoteq, and will probably never even use it.

Just MHO.
Cheeerio

Edit: No hard feelings. I just wanted to show that even "gods" like Mozart or Beethoven were able to produce master pieces using what they had at the time. When some start comparing nuances of how the notes end or how the hammer hits, touches or releases the strings, I have to chuckle. Just play and enjoy.


Quite right. It's no skin off my nose if people like something different to what I like.

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#2153794 - 09/19/13 01:38 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
He could`ve wrote and played his concertos without the orchestra . . . he`d be popular!

Many years ago, the local Musicians Union members were reluctant to play with organists. . . .


As recently as the 1980s, the MU in Britain (& maybe the US too) tried to ban the use of synthesisers. This looks crazy from the point of view of rock bands to which synths were for additional colours and experimentation. But they were looking at it from the supported singer pov - Barry Manilow, for example. He could go on tour with 50 musicians or three keyboard players. To the union, it must have looked obvious that these terrible devices should never be allowed to be used in public - at least in that way.

But it's like horse men forcing everyone to go around in handsome cabs even after the invention of the bicycle.
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#2154399 - 09/20/13 12:15 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: toddy]
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Yikes, I didn't intend for this topic to get so heated. I take some responsibility for this, in challenging/questioning the "playing off the jack" technique.

Ando, I meant no disrespect, and it wasn't my intention to ruffle anyone's feathers. So, in the spirit of the show "Mythbusters", I will keep an open mind, and conclude with the following verdict --> Plausible. grin cool

Getting back to original topic...

I feel that the quality of DPs has gotten so high, especially in just the past few years, that they offer a more than acceptable alternative for pianists who, for whatever circumstances, are unable to own or practice regularly on a traditional acoustic. In particular, it is remarkable to see the level of advancement in quality action, sound and features, that are now available in the $500 - $1,000 market segment.


Edited by Tritium (09/20/13 12:18 PM)

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#2154409 - 09/20/13 12:24 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: Tritium]
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Originally Posted By: Tritium
Yikes, I didn't intend for this topic to get so heated. I take some responsibility for this, in challenging/questioning the "playing off the jack" technique.

Ando, I meant no disrespect, and it wasn't my intention to ruffle anyone's feathers. So, in the spirit of the show "Mythbusters", I will keep an open mind, and conclude with the following verdict --> Plausible. grin cool


It's alright, I think we've moved on from it now.

Quote:
Getting back to original topic...

I feel that the quality of DPs has gotten so high, especially in just the past few years, that they offer a more than acceptable alternative for pianists who, for whatever circumstances, are unable to own or practice regularly on a traditional acoustic. In particular, it is remarkable to see the level of advancement in quality action, sound and features, that are now available in the $500 - $1,000 market segment.


Yes, DPs are an acceptable alternative for most situations. They allow you to do most things you'd want to be able to do, and many things that acoustic pianos can't do. The only thing they lack is that highly resonant behaviour of real strings, and pedalling is still a bit lacking IMO. But there are quite a few very respectable DPs out there these days.

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#2154502 - 09/20/13 02:15 PM Re: Damning with faint praise--DP action is only "good enough"?? [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
and pedalling is still a bit lacking IMO.


This is the thing that bothers me most about most digitals. Hold down the pedal and play some notes. It doesn't sustain anything like as long as an acoustic grand would.

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