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#2151220 - 09/16/13 11:08 AM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
What?! Do I look over 40 to you??? Hahaha! I'm in my early 20s!


I know you are. I meant everybody else. laugh The only youngins around here that I know are you, me, Debrucey (where'd he go?), and OSK.


Hey watch it, Joel. I'm quite a few years this side of 40! grin
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#2151241 - 09/16/13 11:37 AM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.
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#2151248 - 09/16/13 11:52 AM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Joel; if I strike you as imbued with the antiquated spirit of an old curmudgeon....who's old, then I suppose I've clearly been neglecting my smilies smile Smileys? Hmm...neither seems right frown laugh Um, Polyphonist, you nasty, irredeemable piece of work, bane of society and scourge of civility, I'm on your side. Thought I'd make it clear. Kuan; sorry your performance has taken a side seat. Having listened again..well, again again, um, I recognise now that the majority of my intense appreciation of your interpretation comes from the eventism; the rubato and, probably, the very parts that some others consider unpolished, the inconsistencies, the hesitations like a sputtering candle, that flick back to life with a strongly pronounced sonority, much like the waking moon or a fine utterance of Christopher Walken... laugh Um...it's passion, it's a gentle, unsure, cautious passion that begs to be unbridled but reigns itself in....again, I really like it ^_^
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#2151267 - 09/16/13 12:12 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.
Interesting how you can respond to posts you don't read.

I think your attitude must negatively affect your piano playing and it certainly negatively affects your teaching if you do any(that's already been demonstrated in your online "teaching" at PW).

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#2151274 - 09/16/13 12:19 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.
Interesting how you can respond to posts you don't read.

I think your attitude must negatively affect your piano playing and it certainly negatively affects your teaching if you do any(that's already been demonstrated in your online "teaching" at PW).

From now on I will not be reading these posts, and certainly not replying to them.

As for the rest, I really have no concern about whether a random guy on the Internet thinks I teach/play well or not. You've never seen me do either, just for starters. As for teaching at PW, I don't know what you're talking about.
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#2151281 - 09/16/13 12:27 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: FSO]
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Originally Posted By: FSO
Joel; if I strike you as imbued with the antiquated spirit of an old curmudgeon....who's old, then I suppose I've clearly been neglecting my smilies


Oops. I forgot about you! I knew you were young. Early twenties?

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#2151285 - 09/16/13 12:35 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: argerichfan]
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Originally Posted By: argerichfan
Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
What?! Do I look over 40 to you??? Hahaha! I'm in my early 20s!


I know you are. I meant everybody else. laugh The only youngins around here that I know are you, me, Debrucey (where'd he go?), and OSK.


Hey watch it, Joel. I'm quite a few years this side of 40! grin


frown laugh

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#2151289 - 09/16/13 12:42 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW

Oops. I forgot about you! I knew you were young. Early twenties?

Ha! Forgot about me...I don't believe it for a second wink Ja ja, two and score years...you're less the former?
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#2151299 - 09/16/13 01:09 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: FSO]
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Originally Posted By: FSO
Originally Posted By: JoelW

Oops. I forgot about you! I knew you were young. Early twenties?

Ha! Forgot about me...I don't believe it for a second wink Ja ja, two and score years...you're less the former?


I'm half a score plus a quarter score plus the sum of a score divided by four minus two. laugh

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#2151308 - 09/16/13 01:24 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Oh wow...sorry, even...even younger than I thought....now I can't *possibly* take you seriously laugh
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#2151313 - 09/16/13 01:32 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Exactly.

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#2151381 - 09/16/13 03:36 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.


You'd have a bit more credibility if you posted some of your playing wink Maybe people won't attack you so much then..
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#2151385 - 09/16/13 03:41 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.


You'd have a bit more credibility if you posted some of your playing wink Maybe people won't attack you so much then..

I don't need credibility. Read my posts, or don't, Pogorelich.
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#2151392 - 09/16/13 03:51 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.


You'd have a bit more credibility if you posted some of your playing wink Maybe people won't attack you so much then..

I don't need credibility. Read my posts, or don't, Pogorelich.


Why are you making it an issue of whether or not I read your posts? It's not about that.. It's purely about satisfying my idle curiosity of how you play! smile

Why so secretive? Maybe you're some awesome pianist, and we'll all benefit from hearing you play.


Edited by Pogorelich. (09/16/13 03:52 PM)
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#2151398 - 09/16/13 03:56 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.


You'd have a bit more credibility if you posted some of your playing wink Maybe people won't attack you so much then..

I don't need credibility. Read my posts, or don't, Pogorelich.


Why are you making it an issue of whether or not I read your posts? It's not about that.. It's purely about satisfying my idle curiosity of how you play! smile

Why so secretive? Maybe you're some awesome pianist, and we'll all benefit from hearing you play.

I don't know whether I'd call myself an awesome pianist. By the way, I can't post a recording yet because I haven't figured out how to do it. ha Maybe someday the day will come.
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#2151401 - 09/16/13 03:57 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.


You'd have a bit more credibility if you posted some of your playing wink Maybe people won't attack you so much then..

I don't need credibility. Read my posts, or don't, Pogorelich.


Why are you making it an issue of whether or not I read your posts? It's not about that.. It's purely about satisfying my idle curiosity of how you play! smile

Why so secretive? Maybe you're some awesome pianist, and we'll all benefit from hearing you play.

I don't know whether I'd call myself an awesome pianist. By the way, I can't post a recording yet because I haven't figured out how to do it. ha Maybe someday the day will come.


I can teach you!
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#2151404 - 09/16/13 03:58 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.


You'd have a bit more credibility if you posted some of your playing wink Maybe people won't attack you so much then..

I don't need credibility. Read my posts, or don't, Pogorelich.


Why are you making it an issue of whether or not I read your posts? It's not about that.. It's purely about satisfying my idle curiosity of how you play! smile

Why so secretive? Maybe you're some awesome pianist, and we'll all benefit from hearing you play.

I don't know whether I'd call myself an awesome pianist. By the way, I can't post a recording yet because I haven't figured out how to do it. ha Maybe someday the day will come.


I can teach you!

What if I don't want to? grin
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#2151409 - 09/16/13 04:05 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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I keep confusing our posts because our names look so similar. grin
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#2151411 - 09/16/13 04:07 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Poly, you should record my Gmaj prelude and post it. grin

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#2151412 - 09/16/13 04:09 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Based on the comments in this thread, quite a few people think I'm a jerk. That's fine, I really couldn't care less. To Plover and Co: isn't it a waste of energy to continue posting these things about how I'm so incredibly nasty that you know I don't read and don't care about?

Block me if you want. Go for it. Or don't, and keep wasting your time writing things about how much you hate me. I will continue to post either way.


You'd have a bit more credibility if you posted some of your playing wink Maybe people won't attack you so much then..
I don't think posting a recording, even if it proved he was world's greatest pianist, would justify many of his posts. It's the tone of his posts, the arrogance and nastiness, that people object to ...not the contents.

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#2151415 - 09/16/13 04:10 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: JoelW]
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Poly, you should record my Gmaj prelude and post it. grin

See my PM.
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#2151441 - 09/16/13 04:50 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Poly: why wouldn't you want to?
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#2151480 - 09/16/13 05:46 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: pianoloverus]
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I agree with Plover that the way Poly plays would be pretty irrelevant to the concerns that have been voiced, at least to most people. On some kinds of stuff, sure, but not much when it comes to style and tone.

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#2151493 - 09/16/13 05:59 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Poly: why wouldn't you want to?

Let me test the waters first by sending a recording to Joel of his piece. Then I may go public.
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#2151499 - 09/16/13 06:04 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I agree with Plover that the way Poly plays would be pretty irrelevant to the concerns that have been voiced, at least to most people. On some kinds of stuff, sure, but not much when it comes to style and tone.


+1: me too. I can't wait for my next lesson when my teacher makes a criticism and I say: "Oh yeah? Let's see you play it better." smile

Being able to play well is a "nice-to-have" here.

Having good musical sense, taste, knowledge, and communication skills is the "must-have".

-J
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#2151501 - 09/16/13 06:05 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Kuanpiano]
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I think plover agrees that I have the sense, taste, and knowledge. What I lack is the communication skills, according to him. grin
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#2151519 - 09/16/13 06:22 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I think plover agrees that I have the sense, taste, and knowledge. What I lack is the communication skills, according to him. grin
What I think is that any potentially positive parts of your posts are overwhelmingly outweighed by the negative aspects.


Edited by pianoloverus (09/16/13 07:52 PM)

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#2151523 - 09/16/13 06:23 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I think plover agrees that I have the sense, taste, and knowledge. What I lack is the communication skills, according to him. grin
What I think that any positive parts of your contribution are overwhelmingly outweighed by the negative aspects.

Here's a tip: if you want people to take you seriously, make sure your sentences make sense before posting them.

I see you went to edit your post and STILL did not correct it.
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#2151533 - 09/16/13 06:44 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I think plover agrees that I have the sense, taste, and knowledge. What I lack is the communication skills, according to him. grin
What I think that any positive parts of your contribution are overwhelmingly outweighed by the negative aspects.

Here's a tip: if you want people to take you seriously, make sure your sentences make sense before posting them.

I see you went to edit your post and STILL did not correct it.


We all mess up!

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#2151538 - 09/16/13 06:49 PM Re: Chopin - Piano Sonata op. 58 mov.1 - Practice recording [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I think plover agrees that I have the sense, taste, and knowledge. What I lack is the communication skills, according to him. grin
What I think that any positive parts of your contribution are overwhelmingly outweighed by the negative aspects.

Here's a tip: if you want people to take you seriously, make sure your sentences make sense before posting them.

I see you went to edit your post and STILL did not correct it.


We all mess up!

But we can all take a few seconds to proofread something before posting it.
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