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#2150386 - 09/15/13 05:06 AM Kawai ES7 - recording function
brez Offline
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Registered: 09/13/13
Posts: 4
Sorry if this topics been covered already elsewhere but I couldn’t find the thread. Last month I bought a Kawai ES7 for my mother in England and the feedback I have been getting from her is that she is over the moon with it so far. Last week though she sent me her first attempt at recording something on the piano but the volume level of the recording was so low that it was barely audible. This was recorded using the default factory settings.
I managed to increase the volume using Audacity software but I was wondering if any other ES7 owners had encountered the same issue and is there an optimum setting to produce decent volume level recordings direct from the piano?
Just wondering why Kawai would set the levels so low by default – could there be a technical reason for this?

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#2150393 - 09/15/13 05:30 AM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
Wouter D'hoye Offline
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Registered: 07/26/13
Posts: 42
Loc: Belgium
Hi,

from the manual there is a option in the basic setting menu to adjust the recording gain. The basic setting is not amplified. (according the manuel to be able to record the full dynamic range)

the setting appears to be not permanent. That is it's reset after a power down.

Kind regards,

Wouter.

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#2150402 - 09/15/13 05:54 AM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: Wouter D'hoye]
iceporky Offline
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Registered: 05/26/13
Posts: 151
Loc: Singapore
Originally Posted By: Wouter D'hoye
... the setting appears to be not permanent. That is it's reset after a power down. ...


To make it permanent, go to Menu:
"1 Basic Settings" > "1-11 User Memory Save".

Your custom audio gain will then be used for future recordings even after a power down.

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#2150490 - 09/15/13 10:47 AM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
brez Offline
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Registered: 09/13/13
Posts: 4
Ok guys many thanks for your quick replies and advice. If the manual says it's to "preserve dynamic range" would you think it better to record at the factory settings and increase volume in an external software programme or have you found no noticable difference in quality when you increased the recording gain on the piano? Did you set it at maximum value?

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#2150516 - 09/15/13 12:07 PM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
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Registered: 07/21/12
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I suppose it would be the same with any digital piano; you take a line out (or headphone output)from the recording into the computer which is running Audacity or something similar. If it`s too loud, it doesn`t help. I find recording quiet and amplifying through Audacity works well. The dynamic range isn`t overly affected if any. The "amplify" programme actually indicates how much (if any) you can amplify after you`ve run it through. Knock it back just a tad for a safe result!
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#2150710 - 09/15/13 06:51 PM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
Kawai James Online   content
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Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 9564
Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
brez, as recommended above (thanks chaps!), the ES7 offers an 'Audio Recorder Gain' setting to increase or decrease the recording level of WAV/MP3 recordings.

The default recording level is purposely set a little low in order to prevent distortion when playing very loud passages. We argue that players would rather a recording is a little too quiet (but can be boosted afterwards using software, or by simply increasing the playback volume), than too loud and ruined by distortion. However, if the piece being recorded is very soft, it may indeed be worthwhile to increase this this gain setting.

I would recommend increasing the level by +5 dB first, making a quick demo recording, then again at +10 db. This should be plenty, however it's possible to increase up to +15 dB if necessary.

Best of luck - I hope your mother continues to enjoy her ES7! wink

Kind regards,
James
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#2150838 - 09/15/13 09:35 PM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
brez Offline
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Registered: 09/13/13
Posts: 4
Many thanks James and to everyone else who replied with helpful advice. I'll pass the info on to my mum and see if she can work it out. The original MP3 she sent to me seemed to be fine once I put it through Audacity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITNv8oE1sV4

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#2150850 - 09/15/13 09:46 PM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
dynamobt Offline
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Registered: 04/07/13
Posts: 719
Loc: NH
You can tell your mother that she plays very nicely!! That was very well done and one of my favorite Debussy pieces.
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#2150858 - 09/15/13 09:58 PM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
Kawai James Online   content
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Registered: 09/06/07
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Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
brez, thank you for posting the recording brez - your mother plays very well!

Cheers,
James
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Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#2151023 - 09/16/13 02:17 AM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
brez Offline
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Registered: 09/13/13
Posts: 4
Thanks for the nice and gracious comments guys – I’d like to pass them on to my mum but she doesn’t know I posted her recording on social media and would probably have a fit if she found out. She is in her 70’s now and just started playing again after a 25 year hiatus since she got her new Kawai last month. My dad told me she’s never off in it and he can no longer get his dinner made for him. I suppose there is a price to be paid for everything!

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#2153307 - 09/18/13 08:07 PM Re: Kawai ES7 - recording function [Re: brez]
Carmien Offline
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Registered: 08/05/13
Posts: 26
Great question and thanks for the answers. I'd noticed the very same thing. I think I'll try the +5db as a start and see how that works out.

That said, the piece I've recorded as an MP3 does have a lovely quality piano sound, even if it is quiet. smile

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