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#215216 - 10/28/07 01:33 AM Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
pianolover87 Offline
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Registered: 10/27/07
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So here is how it works.
With the exchange rate being less than Par right now for CAD vs US (1 USD gets me more than 1 CAD in return) I see that it's smart to buy a piano in US currency.

This being said, let's say I buy a piano from say, New York. Would they ship it to Montreal Canada? (about 5 hours drive). How much do you think shipping will cost? And also, are there customs to go through?

thanks in advance!

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#215217 - 10/28/07 07:33 AM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
Thomson Lawrie Offline
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There hasn't been any duty on pianos since the free trade agreement came into effect.

Make sure your warranty doesn't fall between the cracks. Get something in writing from Yamaha US that they will look after the warranty because to the best of my knowledge Yamaha Canada won't warranty a piano that was purchased in the US.
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#215218 - 10/28/07 09:58 AM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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BruceD shipped an Estonia 190 from Philly to Vancouver and had to pay some duty.

I hope he sees this.
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#215219 - 10/28/07 11:49 AM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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Originally posted by Thomson Lawrie:
There hasn't been any duty on pianos since the free trade agreement came into effect.

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Mr. Lawrie :

That statement is not unconditionally true.

A piano purchased in the United States, to be exempt from duty when imported into Canada, has to have been manufactured in the United States. If the piano is of foreign manufacture, then it is subject to Canadian duty, and the rate varies with the country of manufacture. In my case, an Estonia 190, I had to pay 7% duty on the original purchase price of the piano - in equivalent Canadian dollars at the time of import.

While a buyer should not have to pay US sales taxes on an item to be shipped out of the country, he will nevertheless be required to pay both Canadian PST and GST on imported pianos. In my case 7-1/2% plus 7%, add the duty of 7%, and I was required to pay 21-1/2% of the original purchase price of my Estonia (converted to the equivalent Canadian currency) to the Canadian government.

Keep that in mind when you think of purchasing a piano from the US. Also check with Canada Customs to find out exactly what the rate of duty will be depending upon which piano you hope to import.

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#215220 - 10/28/07 12:14 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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It's not a horrible process. It's the worst for the trucker that has to bring it over.

Make sure that the customs documents clearly state that the keys are Ivorite (if it's a C series) and NOT Ivory.
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#215221 - 10/28/07 12:41 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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P.S. to my earlier post.

You will also have to pay the services of a customs broker to prepare the appropriate paper work and submit those papers to Canada Customs at the time of import.

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#215222 - 10/28/07 02:22 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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Loc: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
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...he will nevertheless be required to pay both Canadian PST and GST on imported pianos. In my case 7-1/2% plus 7%, add the duty of 7%, and I was required to pay 21-1/2% of the original purchase price of my Estonia (converted to the equivalent Canadian currency) to the Canadian government.
What kills me about taxes on importing goods and (I do it all the time - not whole pianos, mind you) is this:
The duty (5 or 7% or whatever) gets slapped on, then the taxes are calculated on the new value which has the duty included. So you are effectively paying tax on the duty! Ahhh, th government doesn't mind double dipping, as long as it is the one benefitting.
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#215223 - 10/28/07 05:25 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
Rich Galassini Offline
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Also, the common and trusted piano shippers here in the US do not like to send a half empty truck into Canada.

So... you will most likely wait quite a bit longer than you are told for the actual delivery. I have had this unpleasant experience several times. Each time the anticipated arrival time turned from weeks into months.

This delay probably would not occur if your piano were shipped on its own directly to your home, but thatr would add 2 to 3k USD to the delivery cost.
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#215224 - 10/28/07 05:47 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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So... you will most likely wait quite a bit longer than you are told for the actual delivery. I have had this unpleasant experience several times. Each time the anticipated arrival time turned from weeks into months.
One way around that is to get it shipped to the border and pick it up yourself from there. That puts the onus of custom clearance on you (or the shpper you hire to do this). But it may end up being faster and cheaper. Worth investigating, anyway.
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#215225 - 10/28/07 06:03 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
pianolover87 Offline
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Seems like quite the complicated process.

Is the recommendation of this forum that i simply try to find a good deal on a yamaha here in Canada?

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#215226 - 10/28/07 06:14 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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My recomendation would be that it may be worth your while to do the research (which you have started by posting here). I don't think retail prices have moved in correspondence with the exchange rate fluctuation, so perhaps you could actually save yourself a thousand or two.. Isn't that worth a few long distance calls and some time on the net? (It also depends on your distance to the American dealership.)
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#215227 - 10/28/07 06:31 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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In order to save $1000 using the current exchange rate, the piano must cost about $30,000. From that $1000, you need to subtract the cost of moving, duty, travel expenses, and the value of your time spent arranging all of this. If your time is valuable enough to buy a piano that expensive, it is probably valuable enough that it would cost you more to import it than you would save.
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#215228 - 10/28/07 06:37 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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bdjuf:

Here are some basic truths about buying across national borders:

1] If you buy a *new* piano - upright or grand, you won't have someone honour the warranty on the other side, in your case here in Canada: please call Yamaha Canada beforehand to tell you otherwise....

Let's see how motivated a New York dealer will be to look after you later in Montreal, Canada .....


2] If you buy *used*, there are zillions of Yamaha pianos here all over in Canada, alas most of them being the 'grey-market' variety.

Average prices for these pianos here on the West Coast are approximately:
U1 $ 2,950- 3,500 U3 $ 3,500 - 4000 depending on age and condition, no reliable warranty can be given outside the store selling them.

3] Don't underestimate the cost for shipping alone this, outside a whole bunch of taxes/duties as well: very few piano moving companies ship from door-to-door: chances are you have at least one national freightliner and 1-2 local movers involved,it can become expensive...

3] if damages happen, this can become a complete insurance nightmare. The more movers are involved - the worse...
Don't forget to purchase *no risk insurance*, that'll cost you a few 100 $ extra.

Check on some others who have posted here with similiar questions,you have to know what you are doing and be sure you really *save* in the end.

You are welcome to post your experience here later: we are all eager to learn....

Good luck!

Norbert \:\)
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#215229 - 10/30/07 10:37 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
Mario Bruneau Offline
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Registered: 11/16/06
Posts: 133
Loc: Qu├ębec, Canada
BDB wrote:
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In order to save $1000 using the current exchange rate, the piano must cost about $30,000. From that $1000, you need to subtract the cost of moving, duty, travel expenses, and the value of your time spent arranging all of this. If your time is valuable enough to buy a piano that expensive, it is probably valuable enough that it would cost you more to import it than you would save.
Yeah but anything you buy in the US is at least 20 to 30% less expensive than the same thing here in Canada. The $30,000. worth piano you are giving as an example if it cost $30,000 in the States, chances are you will have to spend $40,000. for the same piano here in Canada. This always was the case that any goods where/are cheaper in the States than in Canada and even when the Canadian Dollar was 70% the US, people went in the States to buy stuff. My .02

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#215230 - 10/31/07 12:14 AM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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Mario is right. You may need to be looking at major dollars before doing this would make economic sense and be worth the trouble, but it is possible. For example my next door neighbour at work bought an M3 from the states and saved about $15,000. Was it a hassle? Yes, but you can put up with a lot for that much coin. Porche has dropped its prices 10%, but I'll bet it's a while before we see Honda and Toyota follow suit. If I were buying an expensive Tier 1 piano I would be tempted to at least check out the US option.
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#215231 - 10/31/07 12:34 AM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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Registered: 09/11/06
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Loc: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
That's what I am talking about. Americans generally don't really understand the pricing structure up here in the land of igloos and the price differential that can go with it.
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#215232 - 10/31/07 02:23 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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Registered: 05/23/03
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Loc: NJ
Shipping a piano from the US to Canada is no problem. We just sold a Mason & Hamlin, Model AA to a client in Quebec. We will be moving it to him in December. As long as you have the right papers, etc. It's no problem. If you need any other information, feel free to contact me.
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#215233 - 10/31/07 02:40 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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#215234 - 10/31/07 05:00 PM Re: Any way to get a Yamaha grand piano shipped from the USA to Canada?
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"That's what I am talking about. Americans generally don't really understand the pricing structure up here in the land of igloos and the price differential that can go with it."

Make sure that any piano you import to Canada is
"igloo-proof"

Special seasoning of woood........

Norbert ;\)
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