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Another history lesson about Ragtime music, from the town where I now live. I ride my bicycle through the Shake Rag community on a daily basis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_HoganForrest
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Interesting! I hadn't read about him in any of the history or biographies I'd read.
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Ok! Can't wait to see what you and Derulux pick eventually! I'm debating whether to stick to a score, or ad lib on top of what's written. I think it'll depend on which piece I end up with. Some of the lesser-known ones, I'd like to stick closer to the score so everyone can hear it "as written", but I'm not entirely sure what I'll end up doing.. we'll see in March!
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... Don't be afraid to simplify or reduce scope. One of the easiest ways with ragtime to simplify is to just pick one of the sections and play it.... You can do it! Looking forward to whatever you serve up!
Does this mean that I can up mine if it's working out a ....lets say... little too good? Ya see.... I have a teacher who focuses on strength and runs with it. And.... well..... I decided after my last post to take a look at my piece. Just a look. After all...I have serious stuff to practice....right? I made a pot of coffee and poured a cup. Then started playing. The coffee pot turns off after two hours. I turned around and the pot was off. Doh! I'm through the first two pages with my right hand. This is going to get me into trouble with my teacher tomorrow. If I didn't look at it.... it's supposed to sound like a "Sack of Hammers Rag". It ain't gonna. This thing is addicting. It's fun. It's funner than playing Merry Melodies. I've always liked Ragtime. But was holding off for now. How did I get in this mess? It's all your fault, Whizbang. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your groin! BTW: I went through a few piano's to find one that I liked the sound with this. The pianoteq different Honky Tonk's didn't cut it. Believe me, a Bosendorfer is not for this. C7 ain't much better. So I found a Steinway D in "Rock T-Shift Grand" that is pretty good. Would like to dirty it up a little. Maybe overdo the sympathetic resonance? This is in Ivory II.
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Maybe you could play each section straight, and then ad lib each repeat of that section. I'm looking forward to hearing your selection as well as everyone's!
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Does this mean that I can up mine if it's working out a ....lets say... little too good?
Heck, yeah. With the simplified arrangements, I was at the mercy at what people had posted for free. But for the popular Joplin rags (Maple Leaf, Entertainer, and to some extent Easy Winners and Solace), there's a whole spectrum of arrangements--they just require research and a small investment. This thing is addicting. It's fun. It's funner than playing Merry Melodies. I've always liked Ragtime. But was holding off for now. How did I get in this mess? It's all your fault, Whizbang. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your groin! heck, yeah. Pianistic ragtime fits under the hands well... it's like your hands are dancing with each other. I was listening to some today trying to figure out the charms. It's dance music, of course, and thinking about it in that context, you get this strong beat that's a lower body thing but you can use the off beats to do things with your upper body. Not that I know how to dance There's a lot of nuance in this music that is amazingly difficult to bring out--I'm pretty amazed when I hear my teacher play Joplin. I can actually grok late Joseph Lamb, but doing Joplin right is... well, he's SO delicate in some rags. Maybe overdo the sympathetic resonance? This is in Ivory II. Paradoxically, ragtime seems super flexible in terms of tone. Of many genres of music, it still sounds listenable on sour pianos or even exceedingly bright pianos. Some players would put tacks in the hammers to play that style of music! Basically, you have a lot of flexibility. When I got my piano, whose name turned out to be Mabel, I remarked how well the tone seemed to suit classic ragtime. There's sort of a clarity and cheerfulness about the tone, with a plump but measured bass that seems to work with my piano, but I've also played a few others with different tones that seem to work well.
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Ad lib! Ad lib! For some of us, Ron, ragtime is more addictive than Einaudi is for Monica. You're doomed. Cathy
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There are a bunch of great recordings by various artists on Spotify as well that I found. It's great to have so many internet resources for this kind of thing.
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Just listened to the "easier" compositions that were still available. I kinda like Swipesy (Cake Walk). Can I give it a try tonight? It might be much more than I can handle, given my complete lack of experience with Ragtime, but it sounds like a really fun piece.
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There's a lot of nuance in this music that is amazingly difficult to bring out--... Paradoxically, ragtime seems super flexible in terms of tone. Basically, you have a lot of flexibility. ...
I did notice that on the flexibility. I've continued to adjust that one T-Shift Rock piano in my IvoryII. Got the hammers hard as I can. Changed it to an upright. Upped resonance and Timbre. It's a pretty darn good Ragtime piano now. Will probably keep obsessing over it for the best Ragtime I can create. Will ask over in the DP forum for suggestions on adjustments. Some of those people have much experience adjusting software pianos. I got through the whole three pages quickly last night. I'm confident I've stumbled on a major catalyst to train my autonomic mind/nervous system to play both hands. This is seriously good. For me, when it contains rhythm. I find it much much easier for my nervous system to pick up the training. I seriously need to thank you for a reason to get into Ragtime now. I seriously do think this is helping my overall learning in a major way. That's what my momma said. I don't know why these people work out to be my greatest teachers. First it is Nat King Cole. Then Robert Johnson. Now Scott Joplin. Must be something about the original creativity in the face of an otherwise destructive society. Yes I really do like Einaudi and other new age as they call it. That's another one I haven't gotten into yet. Then, at the top right now I have stuff like Schindler's List and Somewhere in Time. Extremely sophisticated, orchestrated stuff with originating melody at the piano.
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Whizbang - thanks for the advice coach! Will give it a go when I start learning the piece properly (its competing with a mazurka) For the recital, do we get to write little bits of blurb about our experience of learning our piece (to give some impression of the into the person playing the piece and their 'journey')like with the other ABF themed recitals?
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Just listened to the "easier" compositions that were still available. I kinda like Swipesy (Cake Walk). Can I give it a try tonight? It might be much more than I can handle, given my complete lack of experience with Ragtime, but it sounds like a really fun piece. Gotcha!
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For the recital, do we get to write little bits of blurb about our experience of learning our piece (to give some impression of the into the person playing the piece and their 'journey')like with the other ABF themed recitals? Definitely. I like the structure of the Grieg threads and will probably rob the format shamelessly.
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Incidentally, the EDIT button has disappeared from the first posts in the thread(!), so I can't mark Allard's request for Swipesy... I've asked casinitaly if there's a way to fix that.
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I'm checking for you.. I'll add Allard in now.
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For the recital, do we get to write little bits of blurb about our experience of learning our piece (to give some impression of the into the person playing the piece and their 'journey')like with the other ABF themed recitals? Definitely. I like the structure of the Grieg threads and will probably rob the format shamelessly. All of the quarterly recitals have a space for participants to write about their piece. It's part of great recital software program written by mahlzeit for the quarterly recitals, and Sam S has offered to help anyone use it that needs it. Take a look at the recent quarterly recital posting to see what it does. The submission process is completely automated, the submissions are kept on PW's server, it's familiar to anyone who has been in the quarterly recitals, and extremely friendly for first-time users. Whizbang, it's definitely worth the price of admission and I'd take Sam S up on his offer in a heart beat. Just sayin' Cathy
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Incidentally, the EDIT button has disappeared from the first posts in the thread(!), so I can't mark Allard's request for Swipesy... I've asked casinitaly if there's a way to fix that. I think an admin fixed it so that jazzwee could update the first post of the ATTYA jazz thread with an index to each lesson. I bet casinitaly figures it out for you - Cathy
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Incidentally, the EDIT button has disappeared from the first posts in the thread(!), so I can't mark Allard's request for Swipesy... I've asked casinitaly if there's a way to fix that. I think an admin fixed it so that jazzwee could update the first post of the ATTYA jazz thread with an index to each lesson. I bet casinitaly figures it out for you - Cathy I know what has to be done, but I can't do it. I have limited super-powers I can just update in the meantime.
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You mean being green only gets someone into a lower level of cherubim? But I see you got it updated - cross posting there. You're the best of the cherubim - oh, along with Greg, of course. Cathy
Cathy Perhaps "more music" is always the answer, no matter what the question might be! - Qwerty53
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