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#2273581 - 05/10/14 09:07 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Originally Posted By: custard apple
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What genre of jazz do you like ?/ Which are your favorite jazz artists ?

I'm not sure about genres. Give me some examples? I like Art Tatum, for instance.

Does this count as jazz? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d-Y-W6cFFs
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#2273599 - 05/10/14 10:42 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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That definitely counts as Jazz.

Solo jazz piano is a really hard thing and few did / do it well.
Art Tatum is always the go to reference. His creativity is unequaled. His touch on the keys was phenomenal and his harmonic concepts are very advanced.

Sometimes pianists with classical background will struggle with feel, and also, imho may have a tendency to overplay. There's a fine line between just about anything Tatum did and overplaying.

Oscar Peterson is the other person who could really play solo piano. In my view, he expands on tatum in many ways. Like Tatum, he is able to include very tricky harmonic concepts and yet still make it just right for a non expert.

I don't know you much, so I'm guessing. But someone who may appeal to you is Walter Norris. A very underrated pianist. One of the best solo pianists ever. There isn't much on youtube, but you can try and get his Maybeck Recital album. He can make it difficult to think that it is only one pianist playing when you'd swear you hear a 3rd hand.

I went to an Andy Laverne masterclass last year and he asked each student who their favorite pianist was. To this tough questions, out of 20 or so, half (including myself) said Keith Jarrett. That says a lot. Get his Carnegie Hall concert. Some of it (if not all) is on youtube. I was lucky to see him first row, right in front on him at Carnegie Hall twice. It puts everything else into perspective. I saw Brad Meldhau 3 days later also play solo piano, and I honestly got bored. Keith is someone you probably would enjoy. If you can get past the attitude (which you should). Everyone will have an opinion on his attitude but.. I have to say the audience at Carnegie hall was absolutely perfect, and that really helps make the 100% acoustic (no amp) performance memorable.

The man who got me those concert ticket was Dave Frank. Look him up, he's on this forum sometimes. What I can tell you about Dave is that besides being a generous and funny guy, he is one of the best solo pianists today. He is also building a collection of free lessons on youtube. His lesson on left hand technique for the advanced pianist might be a good one to watch. His studio's on 52nd east (and 4 I think)

Then of course there's Mark who seems to have never ending knowledge about everything related to piano. My guess is you already know that wink





Edited by knotty (05/10/14 10:42 AM)

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#2273600 - 05/10/14 10:48 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Also check out Clare Fisher. Not easy to find on youtube but it's worth buying 1 track called Yesterdays. The tune is a favorite of many solo pianists. What Clare does is several chorus, each in a different style. So you kind of get a wide picture of solo jazz piano. That lesson will be worth 99c for the download.
There are whitepapers analysing in great depth that particular performace. Also transcriptions are available.
If you think a transcription might exist, I know 2 guys on this forum who will know how to find it: Mark Polishook and Jazz+

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#2273602 - 05/10/14 10:50 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Walter Norris playing the song is you. Incredibly swinging:
http://myfreemp3.eu/music/Walter+Norris+-+The+Song+Is+You

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#2273728 - 05/10/14 04:35 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks for all the suggestions, knotty; I will check out some of the pianists you mentioned. I listened to the clip of Walter Norris and enjoyed it.

How would you suggest learning to actually play jazz? I do some doodling around, but I'm not sure if I'm going it about it right.
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#2273768 - 05/10/14 07:29 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Based on the recording you posted of the Chorales, I assume you have basically 0 technical limitation.

What I'd do is play through a few transcriptions. The reference book that everyone has is the Charlie Parker omnibook, because almost everything is in it. Playing through that along to the recording would be very valuable. Singing some of Bird's solos would be good too.
As far as soloing, I think one of the keys is trying to imitate the great players. Try to play what Bird, Lee Morgan and Fats Navarro play. If you play their line along to them, you'll get a good sense of feel.

That's for improvising over chord changes. Once you are ready to improvise for yourself, you can try and compose solos to get a feel of the tune. Also it's a good idea to work on small sections of tunes at a time. Similar to what you'd do playing classical.
Say you're playing "You and the night and the music". You can play 4 meausres, then stop. Then again. Repeating that small section and pausing. The pausing gives you time to really think and hear what you play rather than "doodling"
Then you play the next 4. Then play 4 but starting on meas. 2 etc... Basically all sorts of combinations to really hear the thing.

As far as playing tunes solo piano, I would take one, say Yesterdays, then listen to 4 or 5 version and imitate a few concepts that folks do on that tune. Same you'd do on classical :-) Some of these tunes are very good for solo piano.
Then I might actually go ahead and arrange it completely. Or pick a concept and try to apply that concept.
Yesterdays is played by Clare Fisher, Dave Frank, Art Tatum, Oscar Peterson etc...

If you want to record yourself playing something, then maybe we can give more specific feedback. There are just so many styles. Anything Andy Laverne plays is not going to sounds like Gene Harris or Dave McKenna.

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#2273828 - 05/11/14 12:41 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Can you suggest something for me to record and post?
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#2273872 - 05/11/14 07:27 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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How about playing yesterdays. ?

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#2273877 - 05/11/14 07:50 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Walter Norris playing the song is you. Incredibly swinging:
http://myfreemp3.eu/music/Walter+Norris+-+The+Song+Is+You


Many thanks Knotty. I've just downloaded it. As you say, it's difficult to find Walter Norris recordings.

I think you would enjoy his All The Things You Are.

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#2273893 - 05/11/14 08:34 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Edited by Mark Polishook (05/11/14 08:34 AM)

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#2273925 - 05/11/14 10:14 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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excellent. It's one of the best in the maybeck series for sure.

My 4 favortie maybeck albums are
Dave McKenna
Gene Harris
Monty Alexander
Walter Norris

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#2273996 - 05/11/14 12:22 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Can you link me to a score of Yesterdays I can use? All the ones I've found you have to buy.
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#2274020 - 05/11/14 01:11 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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You can find it in this book:
http://www.acc.umu.se/~tellus/tmp/OskNoter/The%20Real%20Book%201.pdf

And here's a good one to get an idea for the feel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr6d1lNMwL0

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#2274057 - 05/11/14 02:36 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Thanks, but I was talking about a piano score.
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#2274130 - 05/11/14 05:04 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Being a weak reader, I don't have very many transcription books.
Others may.

However, a big difference between classical and jazz is that generally speaking, you don't perform someone else's work. You make your own arrangements. This book I copied is a good starting point for coming up with your own arrangements. That's the kind of exercise I was talking about.
Here's a version I played a few months back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sJcyZEo3Ys
Try to come up with something that's your own.

Otherwise, this site :
http://www.saxopedia.com/transcriptions-piano/
has a lot of transcriptions but I cannot speak for the quality.

I know there are good books with Chick Corea transcriptions and Oscar Peterson. I don't have any of those.

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#2274227 - 05/11/14 07:55 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
Being a weak reader, I don't have very many transcription books.
Others may.

However, a big difference between classical and jazz is that generally speaking, you don't perform someone else's work. You make your own arrangements.

Wouldn't the best starting point for a "Newbie," so to speak, be to look at what others have done with popular tunes?
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#2274254 - 05/11/14 08:30 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Sure it's fine. You can take a look at these transcriptions for that link, find the recording that goes with it and find something you like.
You'll get the most out of it if you play slowly along to it.
I'm personally not a book collector, mostly because I can't easily play most of it :-)

But then again, another way to look at what others have done is to listen and steal a few ideas. Your ears and technique are the limits.

There is also a sub reddit dedicated to transcriptions:
http://www.reddit.com/r/JazzTranscription/

This one comes at the top today:
http://pierrelebot.free.fr/pdf/peterson/c%20jam%20blues.pdf
and the reference recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffnx4wfZUY8

Many have been switched to jazz because of Oscar Peterson. This swings like heck.

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#2274257 - 05/11/14 08:37 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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I'm suggesting you give this transcription a try if you enjoy the style.

Here's another incredible performace. One of the best trio recordings ever:
http://pierrelebot.free.fr/pdf/worksong.pdf

I think it used to be on youtube but I can no longer find it. It's at the montruex festival.

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#2274262 - 05/11/14 08:43 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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ah.. here's the montruex work song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT82_aivsW0

Jeff Hamilton is making this thing totally fly. His brush work is exceptional. I wonder he's one of the most in demand drummers of all times ?

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#2274274 - 05/11/14 09:20 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: knotty]
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Originally Posted By: knotty
..here's the montruex work song:

smokin

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#2274604 - 05/12/14 06:56 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: Mark Polishook]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Polishook


Thanks for the track list Mark. I have now just downloaded from MusicManiac.

I've also found Ruby My Dear on MusicManiac and am downloading at this moment.

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#2276031 - 05/14/14 04:49 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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I thought I'd give this a try. I had a lot of trouble and finally decided to take liberties with the melody. I hope that doesn't destroy the whole purpose. It still seems to be a good exercise in four-part voicing. I don't see any parallel fifths (but I know they're easy to miss). I intentionally have doubled thirds and sometimes a voice will jump a tritone, but I've played through the voices individually and they don't sound too awful. It's a start and was fun to do.

I apologize for the midi. It sounds like my three-year old great grandson pounding away smile

Edit: Added more notes to the bass and a suspension in mm7.

midi









Edited by SunnyFriday (05/15/14 01:00 AM)

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#2276053 - 05/14/14 06:17 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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SunnyF - very nice!

What you do w/it and where you go w/it just depend on what your goals are.

About style: P5ths aren't bad in of themselves. In common-practice theory they're presented as something to avoid because they detract from the independence of individual lines.

But in the context of All the things you are - where in your version you're not voice leading in common practice style - whether or not you choose to include P5 (or avoid them) is more about taste than necessity. Same with rules about which notes to double or how to treat dissonance(s) or the range in which lines fall or the intervals that receive emphasis.

So we could post an ATTYA that follows rules so to speak .... But because it follows rules doesn't mean it sounds good or is what you want.

All to say you've got nice stuff going on in what you posted ...

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#2276288 - 05/15/14 01:16 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: Mark Polishook]
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Thank you Mark. I've made a couple of changes to it.

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#2276362 - 05/15/14 07:08 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Hey Sunny
Welcome to this thread.
Thanks for posting your nice work. It's great that you're learning this voice-leading method of harmonisation/ improv.
The more I listen to modern players, the more I hear them using voice-leading harm. I was just listening today to Jean-Michel Pilc's ballads.

Hi Mark
So I've been inspired to compose again.
It took a lot of effort to come up with Phrase 1 for my new song B Minor Waltz by Bill Evans.
https://app.box.com/s/krfxo6d3w605nawh4pdw

the sheet
https://app.box.com/s/z5j5y2vufljo1tq98vr8

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#2276410 - 05/15/14 10:24 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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Wow! The good stuff is flowing! For Polyphonist, or anyone wondering where or how to begin, Cus, your example and SunnyFs are gold.

They both sound great at the piano and their both based on great tunes from the jazz tradition: All The Things You are and B minor Waltz.

Cus, you totally captured some nice voice leading. All the lines move beautifully, and the overall texture is great. And of course the B minor Waltz is the B Minor Waltz.

The very last B in the bass ... a lot of pianists would lower it an octave to make a 10th between the bass and tenor notes. But because of reach of course there are a lot of pianists wouldn't do that .... smile

I'll say it again! These are fabulous examples! And together as a pair .... smile

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#2276442 - 05/15/14 11:33 AM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: Mark Polishook]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Polishook
Wow! The good stuff is flowing! For Polyphonist, or anyone wondering where or how to begin, Cus, your example and SunnyFs are gold.

Am I missing something? I only see four bars, two of which are a static chord.
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#2276499 - 05/15/14 01:24 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Am I missing something?


You mentioned a few posts back that you were a newbie and needed some guidance to get started w/jazz. More recently SunnyF and Cus posted two great examples. Was trying to help so that's why I suggested those two excellent examples as points from which to begin.

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#2276501 - 05/15/14 01:26 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: custard apple]
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I assume that the B minor waltz linked is not the complete score. Do you have any idea where I can find the complete score?
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#2276526 - 05/15/14 02:14 PM Re: Chorales for CATS [Re: Polyphonist]
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Google "Bill Evans Bm Waltz PDF." Or transcribe it.

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