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#2156164 - 09/23/13 12:51 PM Privia PX-850
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hey, folks. After about 7 years, my old Yamaha DGX-620 is retiring. Its LCD visor was at its last breath anyway, though the action was still ok, at least as far as a GHS goes.

Now got myself a Casio Privia PX-850 and I'm much too happy.

Besides the upgrade in sound engine and features like damper and string resonance, I also got a much more solid keyboard action. Among the things that it really brings to the realm of possibility are trills. gosh, I thought I was really lame playing Bach and was surprised to realize it was really the GHS at fault.

a quick picture. perhaps I'll bring a performance on it soon...

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#2156172 - 09/23/13 01:08 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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Now that is interesting! I`ve had the 620, and now have the 630. If as you say, the action is so much better (despite key length being similar in GHS and Casio) then I really need to do more research. . . .a 30 mile trip to Blackpool is coming up! (they sell `em all there lol) . . .I`ve been having trouble wi trills on GHS, GH3, RH3, AH17, . . .I`ve lost count . .


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#2156176 - 09/23/13 01:12 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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Looking good. Congrats!

Did you shop around when you were looking to buy it? Any impressions of its competitors and reasons why you selected this model? We're always interested in reviews around here because it's pretty hard/costly to get to retailers of all the different brands and models.

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#2156182 - 09/23/13 01:21 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
Now that is interesting! I`ve had the 620, and now have the 630. If as you say, the action is so much better (despite key length being similar in GHS and Casio) then I really need to do more research. . . .a 30 mile trip to Blackpool is coming up! (they sell `em all there lol) . . .I`ve been having trouble wi trills on GHS, GH3, RH3, AH17, . . .I`ve lost count . .


really, dude? even on GH3?

have you considered that perhaps you're a lousy trill player? joking smile

I think it's worth a trip, but I'm not sure it'd best a GH3. if such, the better...

Later tonight I see if I can record a head-to-head comparison between the two. I just received it and had to hurry to my job...
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#2156194 - 09/23/13 01:40 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: gvfarns]
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Originally Posted By: gvfarns
Looking good. Congrats!

Did you shop around when you were looking to buy it? Any impressions of its competitors and reasons why you selected this model? We're always interested in reviews around here because it's pretty hard/costly to get to retailers of all the different brands and models.


yes, I've done some research both here, YouTube and at stores.

keep in mind I'm Brazilian and DPs are pretty damn expensive. It offered me the best cost-effective solution. I've played better action at the store, but that Roland was downright pricey. I paid R$ 3660 on it, which gives about $ 1850 dollars or something.
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#2156209 - 09/23/13 02:28 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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"have you considered that perhaps you're a lousy trill player? joking smile"

Dontcha just love it when the truth comes out . . . . frown
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#2156296 - 09/23/13 05:12 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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#2156329 - 09/23/13 05:47 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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Great, thanks for sharing the pic too!!
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#2156351 - 09/23/13 06:18 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
"have you considered that perhaps you're a lousy trill player? joking smile"

Dontcha just love it when the truth comes out . . . . frown
Rule of thumb: always blame it on the piano.

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#2157184 - 09/25/13 12:30 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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ok, had a more extensive go with the piano tonight. I actually got to the store and bought it on Saturday, but unfortunately delivery was to happen just on Monday, so I lost a perfectly fine and free weekend just playing GTAV instead of Bach (which was kind of an acceptable deal btw)

Still had not the time to make any recording in these busy days (not that my lousy playing would help much) but in so far as action and sound, it's quite a step up from the dgx, no doubt. I made some lame fun on our friend about trills, but I too am a lousy trill player. In any case, the faster response and resistance of the action made wonders and my trills now sound a lot more acceptable and effortless.

There's also this thing about wideness between the black keys: they seem further apart than on the dgx and that is a godsend to me. How many times my large fingers got stuck between those keys and made them sound together with the one I wanted... this is another nice surprise feature I didn't see coming.

Regarding sound, I play many times at night, so it's usually with headphones, but when I get to play at daytime, it's a blast. There's some powerful metallic resonators that make it truly alive. I enjoyed the sampled piano tones, specially concert and classic, and there's some room for customization via a few parameters. The best of these has got nothing to do with tone customization though: I most certainly need touch sensitivity set to 1 so my playing don't sound mute for the most part (possibly bad practice from the light ghs). I wonder if 3 is designed for The Hulk...

Yeah, I heard the "plinking" of the sampled attack. Doesn't bother me, sounds a bit more pop than classical, but it's still a piano. If I were to really complain about tones, it's that a few historical pianos should really be there, for Mozart, Beethoven and Chopin.

When I eventually do some recording, I'll post it on the adult beginners forum. Yeah, despite having had the dgx fire about 7 years I never got around to actually play it much. Now I finally have a bit more free time and disposition for music. smile

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#2157186 - 09/25/13 12:40 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
"have you considered that perhaps you're a lousy trill player? joking smile"

Dontcha just love it when the truth comes out . . . . frown


I abhor the truth!

But I love music enough to deal with those feelings and continue trying to improve.

You'll never feel good about it. Just be stubborn and then the way you feel won't matter enough to you to stop you from taking the actions you know you have to take.


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#2157264 - 09/25/13 06:40 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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"In any case, the faster response and resistance of the action made wonders and my trills now sound a lot more acceptable and effortless.

There's also this thing about wideness between the black keys: they seem further apart than on the dgx and that is a godsend to me. How many times my large fingers got stuck between those keys and made them sound together with the one I wanted... this is another nice surprise feature I didn't see coming."

This seems to be the answer!! . . .(through gritted teeth) I do NOT like parting with money . . . . cry
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#2157283 - 09/25/13 07:32 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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who does? lol

take a ride with it and be amazed, Pete. Moonlight first movement always got my fingers stuck here and there on the dgx.


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#2157392 - 09/25/13 11:18 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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I have a Yamaha YDP-223, and I've been thinking of upgrading to a Roland HP505. But now I'm also starting to consider the Casio Privia PX-850. (I never thought I'd seriously consider a Casio, but I'm hearing too many good things about the Privia to ignore it.)

I also find trills difficult to play on the YDP, and I think it's because of its stiff keyboard. Also, my fingers tend to slip off the black keys (which is why I'm attracted to the non-slippery Roland keys.)

I really like the price of the Privia (about a third of what the Roland costs), and I see lots of positive reviews like yours. But I don't want to spend the money and wind up with something roughly equivalent to what I already have. I've also heard that the Privia has a "heavy" action -- which might be enough to steer me towards the Roland.

So, what do you think of the PX-850? Is it a light or heavy action? Is it just spring-loaded keys like on the cheaper Casio models? Are the keys slick, or do they have sufficient friction to keep my fingers from sliding off so easily?

Thanks for any info you care to share!

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#2157398 - 09/25/13 11:36 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: smmcroberts]
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The new Casios have a very good action. It is a weighted heavy action that is fast and very lively. I have played both the PX-350 and 150 and find the action very pleasing. I am surprised by how softly you can hit the keys and still get sound. The keytops also have a simulated ivory texture which is also very nice. I think this is the best action any Casio product has ever had. You should definitely try it to see if you like it.

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#2157441 - 09/25/13 12:48 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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pretty much what galaxy4t said, Robert.

the keys are heavier than GHS in my old DGX in that they offer more resistance, but they also respond faster. if it's done by springs I wouldn't know, but they feel like a hammered acoustic action. That's what I feel is helping me with trills, resistance+ response.

but there's only one way to do it: try it yourself in a store. Go with your headphone.

like many others, I too was weary of Casio, given its past history of cheap keyboards. I'm glad I gave then the benefit of doubt.


Edited by Doritos Flavoured (09/25/13 12:50 PM)
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#2157459 - 09/25/13 01:36 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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Last Saturday I went and test an AP 450 (same keybed and piano sound) and is great, specially when it just costs 1000€ here, bench and delivery included. It's possibly less "perfect" (nuances)than other brands, but is a vey balanced and pleasant sound, as far as I could play.
Keys felt a little lighter than my Kawai RHII, and the notch less strong, so easier to play.
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#2159211 - 09/28/13 05:40 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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I mentioned "springs" in my previous post. I just wanted to share this video I found on YouTube which answers that question: No springs, but rather a real key-action, replete with three sensors!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmxKktvMQFU&feature=related
(The action is shown around 5:50.)

I found the PX-850 locally for $950 (no delivery.) But they only have the PX-350 setup to try out. I'm assuming it's the same touch/action?

Another dealer is trying to talk me into the more expensive Casio CELVIANO because they have a 5-year warranty. But from what I can tell, they just have a fancier console: the touch and action are identical. So, presently I'm leaning towards the PX-850. Do you think there's a chance the box would fit in my Prius?

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#2159270 - 09/28/13 06:36 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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Think I`ll gi the PX 350 AND 780 a decent try out next week (ie leave the wife at home). And the AP 650 . . . .What`s the bets 2 out of 3 won`t be in stock?
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#2159361 - 09/28/13 09:07 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: smmcroberts]
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So, presently I'm leaning towards the PX-850. Do you think there's a chance the box would fit in my Prius?

Based on this PX-850 unboxing video, I'm pretty sure it would fit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv8wTGohFOI

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#2159547 - 09/29/13 09:02 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: smmcroberts]
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Roberts, the actions in all these models are pretty much the same. I tried the 350, 750 and the Celviano 450 as well.

Loving it. I still have not sold the dgx-620 and, in playing it after playing the Casio, I can't help but wonder how I could play such light action and feel it the same as a piano! It now feels almost as feathery light as cheap keyboards. Funny thing is I bought the Casio for about the same price I bought the dgx 7 years ago.

another nice touch in the deal: it comes with a sheetmusic book featuring 60 classical pieces ranging from intermediate to advanced. It seems at least one Chopin prelude is within my reach...

on a sad note: my cat has slightly scratched the wood surface on the top while I wasnt looking. Now I cover the piano with some cloth.
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#2159601 - 09/29/13 11:24 AM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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Originally Posted By: Doritos Flavoured
Roberts, the actions in all these models are pretty much the same. I tried the 350, 750 and the Celviano 450 as well.

Loving it. I still have not sold the dgx-620 and, in playing it after playing the Casio, I can't help but wonder how I could play such light action and feel it the same as a piano! It now feels almost as feathery light as cheap keyboards. Funny thing is I bought the Casio for about the same price I bought the dgx 7 years ago.

another nice touch in the deal: it comes with a sheetmusic book featuring 60 classical pieces ranging from intermediate to advanced. It seems at least one Chopin prelude is within my reach...

on a sad note: my cat has slightly scratched the wood surface on the top while I wasnt looking. Now I cover the piano with some cloth.


Doritos,

You may wish to play around with the "Touch Response" (touch sensitivity) settings. This parameter can dramatically change the feel and responsiveness of the action. The factory default setting is "2" (2 quick beeps). The available settings for this parameter are; Off, 1, 2, 3, 4 --> with "4" being the highest, and requiring the greatest playing force. If it is set to "Off", then there will be no gradations in volume, and the piano will not respond to changes in touch/force.

I find that I switch back between a setting of "1" and "2" on this parameter, depending on my mood...as well as the particular composition I happen to be playing.

Also, I highly recommend you enable the following settings:

A) Once you have the PX-850 user parameters adjusted to your preference (e.g., touch sensitivity, string resonance, reverb, brilliance, etc.), enable the "Backup" function. Once the "Backup" function has been set to "On", your settings will be retained after you have powered off. Otherwise, if the "Backup" parameter is "off", then every time you cycle the power, you will be returning the unit to factory default settings, and lose any adjustments you have made.

B) I noticed that every once in awhile, I accidentally hit a function button on the control panel, during normal playing. Obviously, this could change the PX-850s mode of current operation. If you notice this happening to you, remember to enable the "Operation Lock" feature every time you Power On. Once the "Operation Lock" parameter is toggled "on", the buttons on the control panel will be disabled...which will prevent accidental changes to the settings, when you are playing.

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#2159674 - 09/29/13 02:15 PM Re: Privia PX-850 [Re: Doritos Flavoured]
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nice tips, specially about backup

yeah, I tried touch sensitivity already. dgx also had it and it was about dgx feathery light action I was talking about and even touch sensitivity doesn't help much
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