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#2157263 - 09/25/13 06:33 AM Premieres dispossessed of triviality
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Warning: just for fun. I was thinking today (in fact, just now) about composers whose first work or, at least, one of their first was either their most significant, outstripping all that came beyond or, though inarguably the same, perhaps their *only* work of such worthy accolade as "musically" good. Um...I could only think of Berg, with which I'm not sure I agree, and Gould, with whom I equally am...before the subjective police weigh in; it's everyone's opinions, yes, but, um, by indulging them, perhaps we can all learn something new smile Oh! A latter-day point; why do we think this is, per case or, alternatively, as a whole...if you like, I'm not going to force you ^_^ Or, at least, I'll take the gaffa tape off if you play nicely ^_^ (you can't prove I won't)
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#2157270 - 09/25/13 06:57 AM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: FSO]
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Originally Posted By: FSO
Um...I could only think of Berg, with which I'm not sure I agree
Berg's opus 1 might be his only significant solo piano work (I love it), but it certainly wasn't all downhill from there, so I don't think he's a good example. After all, he finished with the violin concerto, and I don't think many people would claim that work was in any way "outstripped" by the piano sonata.
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#2157277 - 09/25/13 07:20 AM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: FSO]
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Did Glenn Gould have opuses besides his string quartet in F minor? I've never heard of any, but if he did can you link me to some?
About Berg, I think his earliest work that can really be called significant is Wozzeck, and it was only composed like five years after his first piece was written.
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#2157284 - 09/25/13 07:34 AM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: PrestoConFuocco]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj9X4VNO_fs It's not opused...opused? laugh But it came before the string quartet; his only "real" work followed his Opus 1: "so you want to write a fugue?" which, frankly, is brilliant...um....tonnes of fun and really....well, really good smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWr6ApK8SC0 was also written before (these collections of pieces in 1950 and 1951/2 respectively)...um....they weren't ever considered beyond an afterthought for most...but they're really quite good. I don't agree about Berg either; of course he has amazing works that span his lifetime; I don't know about you, but I really like the lyric suite... <3
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#2157289 - 09/25/13 07:47 AM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: FSO]
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Abel Decaux' "Clairs de lune".

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#2157563 - 09/25/13 04:56 PM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: FSO]
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Julius Reubke's pianosonata, Benjamin Dale's pianosonata, Schumann's opp.1-23 compared to opp.24-148, Gabriel Faure's op.15, Rachmaninov's op.1 (haha), Mahler's 1st (?), Mascagni's 'Cavalleria Rusticana' must be nr.1
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#2157572 - 09/25/13 05:19 PM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: dolce sfogato]
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Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
Mahler's 1st (?)

No, no, no.

1 ≤ 2 ≤ 3 ≤ 4 ≤ 5 ≤ 6 ≤ 7 ≤ 8 ≤ dLvdE ≤ 9 ≤ 1.


-J
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#2157612 - 09/25/13 06:32 PM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
Mahler's 1st (?)

No, no, no.

1 ≤ 2 ≤ 3 ≤ 4 ≤ 5 ≤ 6 ≤ 7 ≤ 8 ≤ dLvdE ≤ 9 ≤ 1.


Is the last entry a typo for '10' or are you saying they're all equally better?
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#2157623 - 09/25/13 06:56 PM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: joflah]
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Originally Posted By: joflah
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
Mahler's 1st (?)

No, no, no.

1 ≤ 2 ≤ 3 ≤ 4 ≤ 5 ≤ 6 ≤ 7 ≤ 8 ≤ dLvdE ≤ 9 ≤ 1.


Is the last entry a typo for '10' or are you saying they're all equally better?


Ah... the latter. smile

I usually wind up thinking i ≤ j where j is the symphony I'm listening to at the moment and i is a symphony I haven't thought about in a while.


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#2157795 - 09/26/13 03:51 AM Re: Premieres dispossessed of triviality [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: joflah
Originally Posted By: beet31425
Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
Mahler's 1st (?)

No, no, no.

1 ≤ 2 ≤ 3 ≤ 4 ≤ 5 ≤ 6 ≤ 7 ≤ 8 ≤ dLvdE ≤ 9 ≤ 1.


Is the last entry a typo for '10' or are you saying they're all equally better?


Ah... the latter. smile

I usually wind up thinking i ≤ j where j is the symphony I'm listening to at the moment and i is a symphony I haven't thought about in a while.


-J


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