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#2132721 - 08/14/13 09:58 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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#2136784 - 08/21/13 07:21 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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good day to all

Both my daughter (6) & I are learning the piano using Yamaha's P95. Am thinking of buying an upright due to space constraints. What would u recommend? Should I consider silent type models too? How will the overall sound & performance turn out as compared to non-silent types?

Thank u v much in adv. smile

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#2139120 - 08/26/13 09:22 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: JanJan]
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Hi JanJan,

I've heard from various sources that a silent upright is not worth its price, as one would be better off buying both a good upright and a good digital piano for practicing late at night. Am not well-versed with the differences in sound and performance--perhaps someone here might be able to help:)

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#2142456 - 09/01/13 07:40 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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My view is, if you want a fantastic sounding piano with a silent function, you would have to:

1)select a piano of your choice, 1st hand or 2nd hand.
2)install a silent system , example Genio pro-S, cost about $1400 with installation.

I have done it before, touch/tone definitely better than my present CLP-120.
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#2142469 - 09/01/13 08:02 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: amber76]
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Originally Posted By: amber76
I noticed that this thread has been left cold for quite some time so hopefully someone will take notice of this new post. I am seeking inputs from Hailun piano owners especially from those who has been playing the piano for several years. Any conern on the quality? Is H122 or H125 better? Recond pianos in Malaysia are mostly above 20 years old. Interested in a U3 but a recond U3 price is close to RM10K (20-30 years old), almost the same price as a new Hailun. Resale to me is not important as I plan to keep the piano for a long time therefore I am hoping to get one that will last the kids till gr8. Budget is between RM6k to 10K. Thanks.


Which part of Malaysia are you at? If JB, I could recommend you a 2nd hand piano dealer laugh
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#2143919 - 09/04/13 08:55 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Hello, is there anyone here who has had a Hailun upright piano (H-5P or HL-125) for more than four years?

All reviews seem to universally agree that the pianos are value for money, but that the only uncertainty is how long they will last and whether their quality will rapidly deteriorate with regular use.

So, since these models have been around for a few years now, I would like to know the experience of people who have had this brand of piano for about 4 years. Has the sound lost its lustre? Have keys turned sticky? Is the piano all out of tune? Any other major problems?

Or have the pianos managed to stay in good shape?
Thank you.

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#2144350 - 09/04/13 11:50 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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they will last just as long as other pianos. it wont break apart after 10 years or so....

all pianos deteriote over time; due to wears, aging and humidity. maintain the correct relative humidity (RH) 42-65% you will have no problem plus many years of joy...

and, piano goes out of tune anyways, whether it is being played or not... and, piano wears over time and requires servicing and replacements... it something normal... the more you play, logically, the more it needs to be service... and at point, the parts need to be replaced....

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#2144399 - 09/05/13 01:12 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Thank you, Jay.
Any suggestions on how to maintain the humidity levels in a country like Singapore, which is closer to the equator and typically more humid than places in Europe?
I plan to place the piano in a well-lit, airy room -- away from air vents or windows. The air conditioning will NOT be on 24 hours.
My piano comes with a heater that I plan to leave on 24 hours. And I plan to place a dehumidifier inside the piano that will be replaced regularly. Will that do?

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#2144427 - 09/05/13 02:10 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Adding this post to the Singapore Adult Beginner thread because it is particularly relevant to the region:

The U.S. website for Hailun gives specifications such as Germany's Wurzen hammers, German Roslau strings, Agraffes for the HU-5P model, which has received excellent reviews:
http://www.hailun-pianos.com/administrator/components/com_pianos/uploads/13/pdf/hu5p.pdf

In Asia, the equivalent model is the H-5P, but is it EXACTLY the same as the HU-5P sold in the US? (The Asia website doesn't even list the H-5P model. I can only see a H-5 model for which no detailed specifications are provided -- http://www.hailunasia.com/ )

I was prompted to ask the question because Larry Fine's Piano Buyer says:
(Note: Model designations on the cast-iron plates of some Hailun pianos may differ from those in Hailun marketing materials and in this publication because the models may have different names in the Chinese and U.S. markets. In each such case, the scale designs are the same, but, according to Hailun, the U.S. models contain the higher-quality parts and materials advertised in U.S. marketing materials and on the Hailun America web page.)
http://www.pianobuyer.com/spring13/174.html

Doesn't that mean ONLY the U.S. models contain the "higher-quality parts and materials", while the models sold in Asia are stuck with presumably lower-quality parts?

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#2144462 - 09/05/13 05:07 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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generally speaking, a relative humidity of between 42-65% is ideal for piano. I'll suggest you get a hygrometer and work from there. Air con is the best, but costly. Good ventilation in house will be good too. So get a hygrometer and check the reading. Diff homes varies in diff RH..... just like my cameras I keep them in a controlled dried box at 40% @ 365days.

as far as I know H33P (Asia label) = HU 7 (America label). CF130 (Asia) = HU 8 (America). these two models were confirmed by Malaysia agent when I was shopping for my cousin. therefore, I believe H5 = HU5. And, HU = Hailun Upright, maybe.

Yes, Hailun offers two diff types of upright series. Maybe it is referring to HU 5 versus HU 125, both similar height but diff materials and design.

suggest is to goto the shop and ask them to remove the panels and show you the inside of the HU 125 and H5. i have seen it for myself and yes, there is big diff in materials used. also, Hailun got a Chinese catalogue which highlights the materials in the H series and HU.


Edited by Jay (09/05/13 05:12 AM)

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#2148027 - 09/11/13 04:02 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: Athdara]
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Originally Posted By: Athdara
Hi JanJan,

I've heard from various sources that a silent upright is not worth its price, as one would be better off buying both a good upright and a good digital piano for practicing late at night. Am not well-versed with the differences in sound and performance--perhaps someone here might be able to help:)


thanks Athdara. i hv a p95 already so it looks like buying a normal acoustic piano would be better for us. smile

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#2148028 - 09/11/13 04:03 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: snoopycar]
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Originally Posted By: snoopycar
My view is, if you want a fantastic sounding piano with a silent function, you would have to:

1)select a piano of your choice, 1st hand or 2nd hand.
2)install a silent system , example Genio pro-S, cost about $1400 with installation.

I have done it before, touch/tone definitely better than my present CLP-120.


thanks snoopycar. will doing this void the warranty of the piano if i choose to purchase a brand new upright?

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#2150846 - 09/15/13 09:41 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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This question have to check with the other party.
its just installing a stopper bar on the damper rail
adding a sensor rail under the keys
add sensor for damper pedal
add a level to activate the stopper rail
add the controll unit
adj the let off earlier.

a lot of people have unfounded fear.
No need to fear, the choice is yours.

some people in the first year already ban
the brand tuner due to lack of certain reason,
care less about what ever warranty.
What can spoil on a piano?

Even you buy new, ever read the actual warranty?
Parts free, tpt and labour applies.
Some warranty 10 years, but only applies on the iron frame smile

Just like car, changing sport rims or tyres void warranty .. hehe
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#2150908 - 09/15/13 11:03 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Doesn't that mean ONLY the U.S. models contain the "higher-quality parts and materials", while the models sold in Asia are stuck with presumably lower-quality parts?


Possibly, but not necessarily so.

It seems to depend on maker: generally there is less care and attention to quality details since pianos in South East Asia compete primarily by price point or cost.

In contrast, both Brodmann and Ritmueller have German made pianos only available in China. [until now]

Perhaps the manufacturers think needing this for promotional purposes there, something seemingly less important in North America.

My 2 cents.

Norbert smile


Edited by Norbert (09/15/13 11:04 PM)
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#2155822 - 09/22/13 10:31 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: snoopycar]
JanJan Offline
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Originally Posted By: snoopycar
This question have to check with the other party.
its just installing a stopper bar on the damper rail
adding a sensor rail under the keys
add sensor for damper pedal
add a level to activate the stopper rail
add the controll unit
adj the let off earlier.

a lot of people have unfounded fear.
No need to fear, the choice is yours.

some people in the first year already ban
the brand tuner due to lack of certain reason,
care less about what ever warranty.
What can spoil on a piano?

Even you buy new, ever read the actual warranty?
Parts free, tpt and labour applies.
Some warranty 10 years, but only applies on the iron frame smile

Just like car, changing sport rims or tyres void warranty .. hehe


that's true. grin

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#2157949 - 09/26/13 10:31 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Hi, I've been reading this thread for a while and thought I'll say hi.

I have been learning piano for 1 + year on a digital piano, and figured I'll like to get an acoustic piano.

I loved the sound of the Schimmel pianos, which made me raise my budget to 20k.
Noticed several posts about trying Sauter, I called Alvin and was told to call back in mid Oct.
I dropped by Steinway, and loved the V132. Somehow I felt more relax playing it... But it's out of my budget.
I dropped by Robert Piano at Millenia and was given great service. The K8 sounded rather overwhelming for me as my ears didn't feel so comfortable when I hit the higher octaves. The K6 was more comfortable to my ears. The salesperson mentioned that because of the carbon action, the piano is less susceptible to moisture, which I rather fancy. Though I wonder if it's really true, 'cause it will be less of a hassle since I won't be turning air-con 24x7.

Thanks for reading my rumblings... smile

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#2158277 - 09/26/13 09:26 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: sgcasey]
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the problem, the action is not the only component in a piano that is made of wood. what about other critical structural parts like soundboard, pinblock, bridge and so on...


Edited by Jay (09/26/13 09:53 PM)

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#2158305 - 09/26/13 10:33 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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I dropped by Steinway, and loved the V132.


Me too. it's the German made model, right?

Norbert wink
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#2158381 - 09/27/13 02:29 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: Norbert]
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Originally Posted By: Norbert
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I dropped by Steinway, and loved the V132.


Me too. it's the German made model, right?

Norbert wink



Now, but it used to be made in New York.
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#2158444 - 09/27/13 07:29 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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To save wood material or improve stability, why not make the keys from carbon material too? wink wink
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#2158451 - 09/27/13 07:47 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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The most common uses for carbon fiber are in applications where high strength to weight and high stiffness to weight are desirable.

These are qualities which are certainly not sought after in piano keys..

Carbon is not very impact resistant so each time I would hit a note I would be anxious not to break it smile
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#2158534 - 09/27/13 10:51 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Thanks Jay, Snoopycar.

Yes I agree that just the action being non-wood is not gonna affect the effect of humidity on the piano as a whole. Must have been wishful thinking...

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#2158540 - 09/27/13 10:59 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: wimpiano]
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Originally Posted By: wimpiano
The most common uses for carbon fiber are in applications where high strength to weight and high stiffness to weight are desirable.

These are qualities which are certainly not sought after in piano keys..

Carbon is not very impact resistant so each time I would hit a note I would be anxious not to break it smile


Thanks wimpiano. I will keep that in mind smile

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#2158864 - 09/28/13 01:04 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: sgcasey]
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Hello sgcasey,

Your post got me excited; I'm also playing on a digital piano now, then I did exactly what you're doing about a month ago. I love the sound of Schimmel pianos too, especially the K132, and my initial budget of 12k for a yamaha skyrocketed to 30k, and when I dropped by Steinway, for a moment I entertained the idea of paying beyond 70k by installments for their k132 or v125 blush then I figured I was completely nuts, and scaled down the budget. I've also visited Robert Piano at Millenia, where the salesperson was really keen on their K8. Do contact Alvin to at least take a look at the Sauter before making a decision; it'll be worth exploring. Good luck! grin

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#2159574 - 09/29/13 10:25 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: Athdara]
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Thanks Athdara,

Sounds like you have gotten your piano smile

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#2161952 - 10/04/13 11:59 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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So how do the pianos hold up in that Singapore heat and humidity?

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#2172615 - 10/27/13 03:45 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: E. Christensen]
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Originally Posted By: E. Christensen
So how do the pianos hold up in that Singapore heat and humidity?


I've had no problems with the humidity (heat itself is not really an issue). Unlike in Europe/the USA, there are no wild fluctuations in humidity. Using a heating rail inside an upright (or two inside a grand) and a dehumidifier in the room with the piano does the trick.

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#2174482 - 10/30/13 06:25 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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How does temperature and humidity affect pianos in Singapore?
It depends on the definition of "hold up". What is the opposite? Fall apart?

In a non aircon apartments in sg, typical temp/RH, 29-32degC 70-85RH

What are some of the symptoms of a hold up problems?
Is it sound related like loss of tonal balance, projection, deaden? Soundboard blug?

Or is it mechanical issues flange pin pitting, string rust?
Is sticky key cause by tight keyfront bush consider a hold-up failure?

Or finishing issues like crack/wrap polyester?
Some European piano hv external finishing problems, but continue to produce sonorous tone.

Or act of nature cases like termites, silverfish, rats, lizard, cockroachs infestation.

What problems have you heard that you are trying to verify with other?
in which country, there is no "hold-up" problems? laugh


Edited by snoopycar (10/31/13 09:00 AM)
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#2178169 - 11/06/13 08:36 PM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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If anyone is interested in an upright Schimmel C124 T with silent action (2.5 years old), please PM me for details/pics.

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#2263988 - 04/19/14 09:19 AM Re: Adult Beginner in Singapore: Buying First Piano [Re: artemov]
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Its been so long since anyone posted !!

Busy with practising Yiruma pieces ??
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