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#2160536 - 10/01/13 04:56 PM Lennie Tristano master class
Dfrankjazz Offline
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Hi peeps, I think you may enjoy this master class on the music of
jazz piano icon Lennie Tristano, free for thee:

http://youtu.be/5ay6TsZkC54

Blessings and keep swingin!

Dave Frank
NYC

Chick Corea master class coming in October to celebrate the master)

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#2160592 - 10/01/13 08:15 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
RonL Offline
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So many happy hours playing Lennies Pennies.

Keep the master classes coming.

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#2160863 - 10/02/13 01:49 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
Michael Martinez Offline
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I wouldn't call this a "class", I would call it a "performance" with a few general statements about rhythm.
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#2160872 - 10/02/13 02:18 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
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Did you watch the whole thing?

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#2160967 - 10/02/13 08:30 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
Jake Jackson Offline
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Nice performance AND lesson. I had no idea that you studied with Lennie Tristano. There must be stories that you could tell...

But to business--May I ask you more about a subject that you touch on in this lesson--using swing eighth notes and triplets? This is elementary, I suppose. But are there guidelines about how and where to include the triplets and how they can vary the melodic line? I find that I can play a triplet starting on the second eighth note (the "York" in "New York," if I may borrow your phrase) or on the "New," but that of course means that the last note in the triplet becomes either the down or up beat of the next pair of eighth notes. For shorter phrases, this is not a problem, but on longer phrases, the brain or hands get confused and as I experiment with starting the triplet from the first or second eighth note, I can get a lost, or simply stop sounding melodic.

Are the exercises, in your book or elsewhere, that you could point me to? Preferably with audio or audio and visual. I sightread slowly and unless I hear the intended phrasing, I'm often not sure on extended lines if I am playing what the staff says to play.


Edited by Jake Jackson (10/02/13 08:34 PM)

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#2161099 - 10/03/13 08:02 AM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Jake Jackson]
Rerun Offline
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Nice work Dave! I remember a year+ ago or so one of your vids popped up next to another bass line vid I was trying to listen/learn something from and I thought jeepers, I like that one a lot (0:45 - 1:20 below). Jazz is pretty much over my head, but I like working with rhythm. This isn't that same tape, but it's the same bass line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v9GKaSnYgQ

Just discovered yesterday you'd been posting here at PW. Thanks for throwing some good ideas out there.
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#2161220 - 10/03/13 01:40 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
Michael Martinez Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dfrank
Did you watch the whole thing?


I watched up to like around 33:00 when you put on the vinyl.
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#2161221 - 10/03/13 01:42 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Rerun]
Michael Martinez Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rerun
Jazz is pretty much over my head,


It doesn't have to be ;-)
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#2161308 - 10/03/13 05:03 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Michael Martinez]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Martinez
Originally Posted By: Rerun
Jazz is pretty much over my head,


It doesn't have to be ;-)



Yep, that's what my right brain keeps telling my ears and fingers. smile
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#2164015 - 10/09/13 04:49 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Jake Jackson]
Dfrankjazz Offline
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Try improvising slowly (perhaps 76) and intend for the Spirit to lead you into the proper relationship between 1/8ths and triplets. If you slow down and listen, it will fall into place for you. The triplets can go anywhere, it's all intuitive, otherwise the cerebral approach is bound to confuse..

DF


Edited by Dfrank (10/09/13 04:50 PM)

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#2164653 - 10/10/13 11:40 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
Jake Jackson Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dfrank
Try improvising slowly (perhaps 76) and intend for the Spirit to lead you into the proper relationship between 1/8ths and triplets. If you slow down and listen, it will fall into place for you. The triplets can go anywhere, it's all intuitive, otherwise the cerebral approach is bound to confuse..

DF


Thanks. I only wish that the Spirit would lead me more often... smile

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#2164671 - 10/11/13 12:20 AM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
Dfrankjazz Offline
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try combining the words "New York" "Tennessee" in any logical way that occurs to you during slow improvising. It will fall into place. Or imagine Sammy Davis doing a slow jazz tap dance and each of his steps becomes one of your notes..

DF

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#2165037 - 10/11/13 09:06 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
Jake Jackson Offline
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Thanks. To further expose my limitations, I find myself:

1. Starting a triplet on the second syllable of New York. Thus it becomes:

da DA \ da DA da da \ da \ da DA \da DA \ da DA \ da DA \ da DA\ da DA

In other words:

New York \ New Tennessee \ York \New York \New York \New York \ New York \ New York

2. Starting with a triplet so the line becomes:

DA da da \ Da \ da DA \da DA \ da DA \ da DA \ da DA\ da DA

In other words:

Tennessee York \New York \New York \New York \ New York \ New York \New York

3. Wondering why I am admitting this on a widely-read forum.

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#2165095 - 10/12/13 12:04 AM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Jake Jackson]
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A trip to your nearest drugstore might help, ask the guy behind the counter)To break this snag, just flow for awhile before bringing a triplet in..Slice of Pizza (feeling in 4's) a few times, get a nice feel in 4's 1/8th note line going for 2-3 bars, then sprinkle a few triplets in here and there..if you'd like I can meet with you on skype free and we can work this out..

DF

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#2168618 - 10/19/13 05:54 PM Re: Lennie Tristano master class [Re: Dfrankjazz]
Jake Jackson Offline
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Registered: 02/17/09
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Loc: Atlanta, GA
Originally Posted By: Dfrank
A trip to your nearest drugstore might help, ask the guy behind the counter)To break this snag, just flow for awhile before bringing a triplet in..Slice of Pizza (feeling in 4's) a few times, get a nice feel in 4's 1/8th note line going for 2-3 bars, then sprinkle a few triplets in here and there..if you'd like I can meet with you on skype free and we can work this out..

DF


Wow. Thanks. I would like to do this, obviously, but I'm not set up on Skype, and I have a full plate right now. I'll have to investigate Skype and see what it will take to get configured, etc.

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