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#2159151 - 09/28/13 03:36 PM Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell
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Shaun made this video for a client. It was done with an IPad. It is actually a private video, and there is a good chance Shaun might ask me to take it down since it was done spur of the moment, one take, and with, well, an IPad.
But, I thought his playing was just beautiful here and I am sure many will be moved by this gorgeous Gershwin prelude.
Sorry for the Ipad recording. The Steingraeber comes across pretty nicely anyways.



Edited by Keith D Kerman (10/02/13 06:41 PM)
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#2159159 - 09/28/13 03:47 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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If I could play like that I would let you share it too.

Shaun is simply excellent - but I told you that a long time ago!

And Steingraeber is still the finest instrument made on this planet as far as I am concerned.

But what do I know?

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#2159190 - 09/28/13 04:55 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Hi Keith,

Maybe you have some pointers, other than that I contact the manufacturer, on how I might locate a Steingraeber to record on. I rather liked the difference in timbre between the registers with this C-212 and think the Steingraeber possibility might be worth looking into as long as no unusual complications would be involved such as scheduling months ahead rather than just weeks (or even days) in advance.



The most viable options for me right now in the Stockholm area seem to be Bösendorfer, Fazioli, Yamaha, et c. - no Steinways either Hamburg or N.Y. except at the dedicated music halls. I would rather just do impromptu recording at a church some Saturdays with minimum complications and challenges involved!


M.

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#2159505 - 09/29/13 07:25 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Michael Sayers]
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Call Hurstwood Farm? They may know someone in Sweden.
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#2159611 - 09/29/13 11:54 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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The best thing to do is to contact the Steingraeber factory in this instance. They are incredibly friendly and helpful.
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#2159823 - 09/29/13 08:37 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Beautiful, well done!
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#2160238 - 09/30/13 10:29 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Thanks Alex!
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New Steingraeber, Estonia, Charles R. Walter, Brodmann, Feurich
www.pianocraft.net
http://www.youtube.com/user/pianocraftchannel/videos

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#2160310 - 10/01/13 04:44 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Keith, I gotta say ... now that I have my Steingreaber Phoenix 205 from HFP I really seriously enjoy every last piece of information you share about Steingraebers. That ST video is great .. As I was considering and looking at pianos I spent a fair amount of time listening to your Eric Himy vids w/Ravel.

Thanks for posting ...

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#2160557 - 10/01/13 05:48 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Hi Mark,

I am glad that you enjoyed those videos. The Ravel was recorded with pro gear with a real recording engineer. We need to do a good one on the 192. This particular 192 is pretty spectacular and I actually like it better than the 205 ( which I love ), but it needs to be recorded at a level worthy of the playing and the instrument.
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New Steingraeber, Estonia, Charles R. Walter, Brodmann, Feurich
www.pianocraft.net
http://www.youtube.com/user/pianocraftchannel/videos

keith@pianocraft.net 888-840-5460

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#2160731 - 10/02/13 04:53 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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The playing of the Gershwin Prelude is exquisite.
However, I prefer a less hard piano sound which I suppose could easily be achieved in a professional recording.
rk
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#2160747 - 10/02/13 06:33 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Keith, entering into this Steingraeber "world" has been for me all about comparison and experience and "what's possible." The 205 has upped my experience and what it is I'm hearing and discerning. I know this isn't groundbreaking news ...we get to it when we get the opportunity .... HFP also had a 192 when I picked out the 205. They're definitely among the mind bending things.

Derek, I hear you about the hardness of sound. What I've found with Steingraeber and as I'm sure you know is each one accommodates a ton of tonal potential regarding what a technician can pull out of it. Of course a spectacular recording is another (high) level of nuance.

Pianos truly are among the great, amazing things smile


Edited by Mark Polishook (10/02/13 06:54 AM)

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#2160756 - 10/02/13 07:39 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Thanks for sharing this, KK. Sounds nice on my PC's Boston speakers. Piano and Shaun are amazing.

I have known that photos are sharp and clear on an IPAD. Mine is fairly new, so didn't realize that they 'recorded'. How did you do that?

How do you think the balance is? (sounds good here) Is the sound bouncing off the wall helping the treble since it is being recorded from the bass side? I am very new to this kind of thing. My piano would be recorded from the other side with the bass next to the wall. Then again, it is not a Steingraeber..., and I am not Schaun either!!!

Thank you for any advice.
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#2160856 - 10/02/13 01:31 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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I hear the hardness of sound. I hear that the tech can do a lot. I hear that the recording equipment can do a lot.

Don't forget how much the pianist can do 'on the fly' as they are playing. By the way a pianist balances the notes within each handful, a remarkable tonal variety can be obtained. Some pianos let a pianist do that better than others.

I am hearing that hardness at all dynamic levels. It should be available but reserved as an extra more dramatic tone colour when desired. all I am hearing is the raw piano sound.

While more sophisticated electronics can soften tone, it is at the expense of other tonal aspects. Experienced recording engineers can hear these trade~offs and don't like to use this capability.

A pianist can add depth of field to their playing, particularly in the Liszt/Wagner where there are many voices that can be contrasted with each other by variety of tone colour as well as dynamics. Some can employ different levels of projection but that doesn't come out on recordings. .

While variety of tone color cannot be added in post production, general depth of field can if the initial microphone placement is conducive.

It certainly doesn't help that the piano is in a corner and facing into a wall. While the piano does radiate undeveloped sound all around it, there is about twice as much radiates forward. Piano sound takes a good few feet to develop and reflected sound seems to take more if it is not to sound 'claustrophobic'. I often see recording engineers using a measuring tape. I understand the limitations of the equipment available but at least turn the piano into the room to show everything at its best. Particularly if you are to use it promotionally.
Has anybody ever chosen to use one of these pianos in a first class recording studio for general commercial release?
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#2160924 - 10/02/13 05:17 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Great playing, great piano.

Thanks for posting it, Keith.
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#2160928 - 10/02/13 05:31 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: rxd]
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Originally Posted By: rxd


Has anybody ever chosen to use one of these pianos in a first class recording studio for general commercial release?


Hi RXD,

Part of the hardness of the sound is due to the IPAD recording software which certainly is balanced in that direction. Part of it is the very unfortunate placement of the piano for the recording which was done very quickly and obviously without any thought for maxing out the recording quality. Part of it is that Steingraeber's have an aggressive voicing from the factory which is geared towards maximum dynamic range and it can come off as hard. The instruments respond beautifully to voicing in any direction because the inherent energy is off the charts and we work very closely with our clients voicing the Steingraebers to their taste and for the acoustic in which the pianos end up living.

As for commercial recordings, yes, Steingraebers have been used quite a bit for commercial recordings. Here is a Steingraeber 272, prepped by PianoCraft, in what I hope you will find to be a good quality recording. I think this recording is quite stunning in every respect.

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Rebuilding & Sales of vintage and pre-owned Steinway and Mason & Hamlin
New Steingraeber, Estonia, Charles R. Walter, Brodmann, Feurich
www.pianocraft.net
http://www.youtube.com/user/pianocraftchannel/videos

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#2160978 - 10/02/13 09:05 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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My personal favorite is the 205 Ravel piano, since it is so balanced, I would love to have such an instrument for myself as well (not possible however).

What is the story behind this instrument, it seems to be somewhat different?

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#2160980 - 10/02/13 09:20 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Keith

Beautiful.

As I am sure you will agree, Eric Himy is one of the greatest pianists that is not famous that I know of. He should be famous of course, and I hope he will be.

In that sense, he is somewhat akin to another truly great artist that is relatively unknown, and that is the great Cuban pianist Jorge Luis Prats.

Both are wonderful artists.

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#2161154 - 10/03/13 11:20 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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OMG, what a gorgeous recording! I love the use of the artwork by Rousseau and Himy's playing.

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#2161209 - 10/03/13 01:21 PM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: sophial]
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Yes, the Debussy is superb - both with the pianist and the piano!

And Shaun Tirrell is an excellent pianist as well. I hope the Gershwin recording stays up in spite of the sound effect of the recording apparatus and the position of the piano in the corner with the lid fully raised. It has a nice lyricism and flexibility with a lot going on. Maybe if he takes it down then some day in the future he can re-record the Gershwin under conditions that will show him to best advantage.


M.

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#2161703 - 10/04/13 11:09 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Michael Sayers]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Sayers
Yes, the Debussy is superb - both with the pianist and the piano!

And Shaun Tirrell is an excellent pianist as well. I hope the Gershwin recording stays up in spite of the sound effect of the recording apparatus and the position of the piano in the corner with the lid fully raised. It has a nice lyricism and flexibility with a lot going on. Maybe if he takes it down then some day in the future he can re-record the Gershwin under conditions that will show him to best advantage.


M.


Hi Michael,

I am glad you like the Debussy and especially appreciate your recognition of Shaun's playing in spite of the recorded sound. Shaun is a really good Gershwin player and I also hope he finds time to record some Gershwin under better conditions.

Shaun is actually playing a bunch of Gershwin this Sunday as part of a benefit concert for ocular melanoma research.

Sunday, October 6, 2013
1:00 PM: Art Show
1:45 PM: Concert
4:30 PM: Reception

Sixth & I Street Historic Synagogue
600 I Street, NW, Washington, DC 20001

In support of Sheila Levine for the benefit of
Melanoma Research Foundation/CURE OM (www.cureom.org)
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New Steingraeber, Estonia, Charles R. Walter, Brodmann, Feurich
www.pianocraft.net
http://www.youtube.com/user/pianocraftchannel/videos

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#2161998 - 10/05/13 05:28 AM Re: Steingraeber B - 192 Gershwin Prelude Shaun Tirrell [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Hi Keith,

Maybe the benefit concert will be recorded?

The live recordings of Shaun are the ones I enjoy the most, as with the Rachmaninoff and also the Domenico Scarlatti, and of course it is in live performances that pianists tend to show the widest range of colours and effects.

I sense he is very modest and humble but I think that many persons would enjoy hearing more of him.

p.s. - I am all for benefit concerts, performing to help persons in need, et c. In my belief it is the circumstance where the transformative and giving nature of great music shines brightest.


M.

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