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#2166020 - 10/14/13 11:30 AM Re: Artifacts for the sake of realism [Re: doremi]
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Does anybody know is someone did a "blind playing test" with different actions?
Perhaps using a virtual piano, so the sound doesn't influence, that would answer our questions in some extent.
I think companies do this kind of test internally to develop new products, but it would be interesting that someone did it with different brands and actions within the same brand, perhaps we would be surprised with results.

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#2166094 - 10/14/13 01:46 PM Re: Artifacts for the sake of realism [Re: Marcos Daniel]
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Originally Posted By: Marcos Daniel
Does anybody know is someone did a "blind playing test" with different actions?
Perhaps using a virtual piano, so the sound doesn't influence, that would answer our questions in some extent.

Anyone can do such a 'blind playing test' - I did so when looking to buy my DP three years ago, and occasionally since then, when testing a new DP.

All you have to do is to play the DP with it switched off. Or pull out the plug.... wink
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#2166112 - 10/14/13 02:09 PM Re: Artifacts for the sake of realism [Re: doremi]
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I mean without knowing the model, like pepsi challenge

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#2166219 - 10/14/13 05:15 PM Re: Artifacts for the sake of realism [Re: Marcos Daniel]
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Originally Posted By: Marcos Daniel
I mean without knowing the model, like pepsi challenge

Then you'd actually have to be blindfolded, but I don't see how that is relevant - unless you've been conditioned to expect a certain type of action based on the brand and the model etc.

Or unless you're a DP 'virgin' - like I was three years ago - and have absolutely no preconceptions of what actions specific DP models have. In fact, what I found, as a DP virgin, was that my preconceptions (such as they were) were thrown out of the window: I'd expected Clavinovas to feel and sound closest to the real thing (as Yamaha is the biggest respected brand in acoustic pianos), whereas they were well behind Roland and Kawai DPs in both aspects.
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#2166376 - 10/14/13 11:24 PM Re: Artifacts for the sake of realism [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis

Then you'd actually have to be blindfolded, but I don't see how that is relevant - unless you've been conditioned to expect a certain type of action based on the brand and the model etc.


That was what I was referring to, when we test a keyboard we already know the brand reputation, if it is a entry level action, if it has ivory touch, let off, etc, so much information perhaps influences what we feel.

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#2168820 - 10/20/13 08:20 AM Re: Artifacts for the sake of realism [Re: Marcos Daniel]
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Originally Posted By: Marcos Daniel
I would like that when you play a glissando fast and soft, the DP sounded, as in an AP, which sounds even if the key does not move down more than a couple of milimeters...

I have noticed that some DPs are much more amenable to a shallow thumbnail gliss than others. The Roland Ivory Feel-G (as I played in the FP-4F) is poor for gliss, so is the Fatar TP40 (as I played in the Nord Stage 2 HA). OTOH, I thought the "PHA III Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement" (Roland FP-7F) and assorted Casios were fine.

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