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#2162901 - 10/07/13 08:27 AM Post Your Before / After Shots Here
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To everyone who enjoys taking (or viewing) shop photos - I thought a thread dedicated to the posting of before / after photos of piano projects might be fun. I would invite any of you to post a before photo of a project along with an after photo. This could be a set of photos of a total piano restoration, or of a much simpler subject matter, such as the following:

Before:

[img:center]http://[/img]

After:

[img:center]http://[/img]

I have been using "Tinypics" to post my photos (thanks to whoever it was that mentioned this website). It's very easy to use.

I hope this thread will be an enjoyable site to post and visit! Have a great week all! Chuck Behm



Edited by Chuck Behm (10/07/13 08:29 AM)
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#2162906 - 10/07/13 08:52 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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What is that, Chuck?
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#2162917 - 10/07/13 09:13 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: David Jenson]
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"What is that, Chuck?" - David Jenson


Hi David - Check out the bottom of the legs of this Chickering spinet:

[img:center]http://[/img]

One job I love is polishing brasswork - easy to do and the results are amazing. I'll post an after photo of the piano as a whole when it's put back together. I'm doing the final buffing and polishing of the case parts now, and hope to have it reassembled by the end of the week. Chuck
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#2162924 - 10/07/13 09:32 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hi Chuck,

I really enjoy these threads and am following the other one closely, as well.

Do you lacquer your brass brightwork or leave it natural?
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#2162929 - 10/07/13 09:39 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Hi Marty - I lacquer it using spray lacquer from Schaff. However, the photo of the brass fitting was after I got done polishing it, but before lacquering it. I'll wait until I'm done with all the brasswork, and do it all at once. Chuck
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#2162936 - 10/07/13 09:59 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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This is a great thread idea, Chuck. I think I have some contributions buried in my computer i can dig up.
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#2162938 - 10/07/13 10:03 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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"This is a great thread idea, Chuck. I think I have some contributions buried in my computer i can dig up." - Jim Boydston


I'd love to see them, Jim. I do think it will be a fun thread. Chuck
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#2162943 - 10/07/13 10:18 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2162946 - 10/07/13 10:25 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Still work in progress but you can see how wood can change with a lot of work!!


Before:

After:

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#2162954 - 10/07/13 10:44 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Thanks for the reply Chuck.

That certainly is elegant cabinetry on the Chickering console! I look forward to the "after."

Lluís, that is a beautiful finish you are applying! Are there decorative brass handles for the sides?
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#2162958 - 10/07/13 10:50 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Yes there are! still needs some polishing work!! I didn't start the work with metals !

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#2163038 - 10/07/13 02:19 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Keyframe restoration. (The "before" condition is on the right, for you wiseguys!)

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#2163043 - 10/07/13 02:40 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chris Storch]
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Hi Chris - The photo didn't appear on your post, but I found the photo your were referring to when I clicked on the link. Nice work! Can I ask how you blended the 2 photos together to make one the way you did? Chuck
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#2163063 - 10/07/13 03:59 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Chuck,

Thanks for the compliment on my photo.

The two-sided photo was done with Photoshop. I try and look at my "before" shots and somewhat duplicate the camera position, lighting, etc, for the "after" shots. Once you have two photos of before and after, the rest is just Photoshop skills. I'm by no means an expert with Photoshop, but I know my way around enough.

Let's see...If this method of posting photos doesn't work, then I give up!


Oh, hey, look it worked!


Edited by Chris Storch (10/07/13 04:05 PM)
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#2163108 - 10/07/13 05:45 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Lluís]
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Originally Posted By: Lluís
Yes there are! still needs some polishing work!! I didn't start the work with metals !



You will probably mostly need to put them in a hot E.T.D.A. bath , those parts may not need a lot of polishing, just cleaning , IMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylenediaminetetraacetic_acid


Edited by Olek (10/07/13 05:46 PM)
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#2163164 - 10/07/13 08:35 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Merci beacoup Isaac!, I have to answer you a mail, I'll do tomorrow :P
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#2164333 - 10/10/13 08:52 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chris Storch]
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Hi all - Here's a shot of the original soundboard decal on our Chickering grand project - a bit weathered looking. Notice also the tidy job of repairing the soundboard crack which was previously done. Something that came out of a tube:

[img:center]http://[/img]

Here's the new decal - I love putting these on:

[img:center]http://[/img]

I'll have more before / after shots to post later on. Have a great weekend, everyone. Chuck



Edited by Chuck Behm (10/10/13 08:54 AM)
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#2164649 - 10/10/13 11:37 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2164652 - 10/10/13 11:38 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2164655 - 10/10/13 11:41 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2164657 - 10/10/13 11:47 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2164659 - 10/10/13 11:50 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2164665 - 10/10/13 11:58 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2164666 - 10/11/13 12:05 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2164669 - 10/11/13 12:13 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Rod Verhnjak]
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Beautiful workmanship, Rod. Thanks so much for posting your photos! Chuck
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#2164672 - 10/11/13 12:37 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Thanks Chuck.

I pulled these off my web site. Fast and easy. These are a few years old.
I'll post some recent stuff when I find some time.

Cheers smile
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#2164675 - 10/11/13 12:41 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Gentlemen technicians-restorers, I admire your art job exquisite. More photos here!
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#2164682 - 10/11/13 12:57 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Rod, I can look at your piano porn before and after photos all day long. You do beautiful work.
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#2166857 - 10/15/13 09:00 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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Hi all - I'm just about done reassembling the Chickering spinet shown in photo early in the thread. Polished the pedals today. Again, I really like polishing brasswork - especially when it's solid brass, as these pedals are. Here's what they looked like to begin with:

[img:center]http://[/img]

And here they are after a bit of work with the wire brush wheel, and the cloth buffing wheel:

[img:center]http://[/img]

It almost seems like magic when you're done - like an all-new set of pedals. Fun!

I'll be done with the piano tomorrow (it's being picked up on Friday), and I'll post a picture of the completed job. Chuck
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#2167767 - 10/17/13 04:00 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hi all - Chickering spinet done. Here's the before and after shots I promised:

Before:

[img:center]http://[/img]

And after:

[img:center]http://[/img]

Well, gotta run. Wife and I are watching our twin 3-year old grandsons this evening. Have a great weekend, all! Chuck
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#2167842 - 10/17/13 07:17 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Chuck,

I mentioned that I like to get the same camera angle, lighting, etc. in my before and after pics. But you seem to be the master. You even got the dog is in the same place before and after. LOL

Nice work. Thanks for sharing.
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#2167850 - 10/17/13 07:34 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Beautiful, Chuck. Now I see why someone would buy one of those new.

It wasn't so apparent to me in the before photo, but it's interesting how that cabinet design hearkens back to square grands.
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#2167858 - 10/17/13 07:55 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Chuck,

The Chickering is magnificent.

How does the baby sound?
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#2167875 - 10/17/13 09:23 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Removed because it was so off topic.


Edited by PaintedPostDave (10/18/13 09:44 AM)
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#2167904 - 10/17/13 11:18 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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Quote:
"It wasn't so apparent to me in the before photo, but it's interesting how that cabinet design hearkens back to square grands." - Jim Boydston


Hi Jim - You're right, it very much does, especially when it's closed up. A pretty nifty design!

[img:center]http://[/img]

She's all ready to go home tomorrow, along with a couple other pianos we've finished. We'll have some elbow room, for once! Chuck
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#2167909 - 10/17/13 11:29 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Chuck, you do excellent work! A closed grained finish, and attention to details. I like it alot.
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#2167938 - 10/18/13 12:49 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: PaintedPostDave]
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Hi Chuck. Thanks for starting this thread.

Regarding your interest in brass, please take a look at a porch lamp that is now mounted upside down on a scrap 2x6. It was the porch light for my 110 year old house that I replaced with motion activated lights. It was painted black or it had turned black with what (oxidation?). Anyway, I started trying brass cleaner and then abrasive buffing using my Dremel tool. It is kind of hard to see but it looks to me as though the pieces were hammered into shape because each of the side brackets are different. They are also quite pitted and dented (from the hammering?) which can't be seen in the pictures.

Do you have any suggestions for further processing of the brass? Is there a strong chemical that can remove the black oxidation or paint from the pits. I have already tried a strong paint stripper.

Thanks.

Sorry for being off topic.


It looks like you removed the patination of the finish, which is not what most people would want. You should consult a metalsmith or plating expert to discuss what can be done with it. The person who has done my plating has expertise in this, but he has stopped doing plating, and I am not certain whether he still does that sort of work.
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#2167945 - 10/18/13 01:07 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Gary Fowler]
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Chuck, you do excellent work! A closed grained finish, and attention to details. I like it alot.


Ditto!
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#2167952 - 10/18/13 01:49 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck Behm

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"It wasn't so apparent to me in the before photo, but it's interesting how that cabinet design hearkens back to square grands." - Jim Boydston


Hi Jim - You're right, it very much does, especially when it's closed up. A pretty nifty design!

[img:center]http://[/img]

She's all ready to go home tomorrow, along with a couple other pianos we've finished. We'll have some elbow room, for once! Chuck



With it all closed up, it could double as a sideboard...

laugh
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#2167964 - 10/18/13 02:32 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hello Mr. Behm,

I thought this in your photo was pretty fascinating too, a wooden compartment box in a cloth suitcase. It has a japanesque feel about it:



Best regards-


Edited by phacke (10/18/13 02:32 AM)
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#2168005 - 10/18/13 07:19 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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"Chuck,The Chickering is magnificent. How does the baby sound? - Minnesota Marty"


Hi Marty - The sound is adequate, but not outstanding. The touch is very responsive, but somewhat light. All in all, very playable, but nothing like my U-1 for example. But, for a 107 year old spinet . . .

The tone would be considerably improved, I believe, with new hammers and strings. The customer, however, opted for a middle of the road estimate that I gave, with the option of revisiting a more complete job down the road.

Ordinarily (unless the customer has made it clear up-front what they want as far as a price range), I write up three estimates, ranging from just getting the piano up and running to more of a "dream" list of everything that we could do to put the piano back into like new condition.

Finances were the main consideration in deciding what to keep on the list and what to leave off. The price of the repairs which were done totaled approximately half of what the full quote was. Although I would prefer to do everything at one go-around, I would be happy to finish the job at a later date, if it works out better financially for the customer that way.

I'm sorry, Marty - a longer answer I'm sure than what you were looking for. I should have just said "It sounds nice, plays great!" and left it at that. Chuck
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#2168014 - 10/18/13 07:41 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: BDB]
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Hi Dave - I'm no expert on the subject, so I'll just explain what I do. BDB's cautions may very well be adviseable - again, seek the advise of an expert if it's not turning out the way you would like.

Anyway, for solid brass (not plated) pieces, I first start by removing the oxidation, tarnish, old finish etc. I usually try my wire brush wheel on a low setting on some inconspicuous spot. With some brass work, however, this seems to pit the metal - in which case I go to my next method, which is to either sand or steel wool off the tarnish.

On flat surfaces, I sand starting with 400 grit, and working through the grits all the way to 2500 grit. The most work is done with the 400 grit paper. After that, it's just a bit of sanding with each of the in between grits to smooth out the surface.

On uneven surfaces, I use steel wool, starting with #1 coarseness, and then going to 00 then 0000 grade.

After cleaning, I buff with a cloth wheel using red tripoli polish. On surfaces where the wheel doesn't work, I use a soft cloth with the same polish.

Once this is done, I finish by 3 coating with spray clear lacquer.

This approach does not preserve any patina, but that's not what I'm after.

If you want a more informed discussion, Dave, why don't you start a separate thread? I'm sure there are those who have a lot more knowledge on the subject, and it would make for an interesting topic. I'd like to learn more, myself. Chuck
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#2168028 - 10/18/13 08:42 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hi Chuck,

I actually appreciate the detailed answer. I was making the assumption that the piano had been totally rebuilt as there was so much attention paid to the cabinetry. I hope that the owners will ultimately decide to complete the process. The older Chickering consoles, when rebuilt by a craftsman/artisan who knows what they are doing, turn out to be quite delightful instruments.
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#2168030 - 10/18/13 08:53 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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With it all closed up, it could double as a sideboard...

Jim - Don't even think about it.

We are all aware that you are the master of various uses for the horizontal surfaces of a piano. As Julia Child once commented; "A roasted suckling pig is a beautiful way to present a perfect apple." However, a piano should not be the pedestal for the silver tray, holding the pig, and displaying the apple!

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#2168040 - 10/18/13 09:13 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Hi again Marty - My thought when I closed the piano all up was that my twin grandsons would love it for racing their HotWheels back and forth on! Chuck
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#2168041 - 10/18/13 09:16 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2168320 - 10/19/13 01:16 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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You guys are cracking me up!

Okay, got my first before/after installment for you; fresh from today.

For any who don't know, the current pianos at the Shout House are a pair of Brodmann CE-175's the club bought new a year ago last June. That's right, what you're about to see is only a year and a half old.

They've been getting pretty shrill lately. They opted for the hard hammer option when they ordered the pianos - with my concurrence - so they weren't pretty-sounding to start with. So, I recommended resurfacing.

The grooves in the bichords were the deepest, at something like 1/8". The yellowish mung you see on the trichords is residue worn off the back checks; it accumulates on the striking points of the hammers and the damper felts.









I think they came out okay. The sound was of course much warmer.






Additionally, these are how the knuckles look, after only a year and a half:





I love this gig...



Edited by OperaTenor (10/19/13 01:16 AM)
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#2168356 - 10/19/13 05:03 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hi Jim , thanks for the pics.

AT that point I would call it "reshaping" yet.

Using regularly powdered Teflon or talcum on the knuckles avoid that graphite contamination and protect the "leather" someho(they must be Escain).

Good hammer spacing (one is travelling left in the mediums)
You voiced them to enlarge fundamental and limit hardness is not it ?


Edited by Olek (10/19/13 05:10 AM)
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#2168469 - 10/19/13 11:39 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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I would like to suggest a name alteration to the owners of the fine establishment to which you are of service:

** Ye Olde Shout House **
Home of the Well Pounded Klaviers

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#2168703 - 10/19/13 10:16 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Olek]
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Hi Jim , thanks for the pics.

AT that point I would call it "reshaping" yet.

Using regularly powdered Teflon or talcum on the knuckles avoid that graphite contamination and protect the "leather" someho(they must be Escain).

Good hammer spacing (one is travelling left in the mediums)
You voiced them to enlarge fundamental and limit hardness is not it ?


True, Isaac. I think I'm just trying to be generous... wink

Yes, I saw that hammer. It turns out, on these 'fine' actions (yes, i'm being sarcastic), the center pins bend. As I was reshaping, I was leaving bent center pins in my wake, and had to reset a lot of spacing.

I'm pretty sure no one's had much experience working on these Chinese Brodmann actions yet. They seem like junk to me.

I have not yet come to see the light with teflon powder yet... laugh
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#2168704 - 10/19/13 10:17 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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I would like to suggest a name alteration to the owners of the fine establishment to which you are of service:

** Ye Olde Shout House **
Home of the Well Pounded Klaviers



If you ever come to Sandy Eggo, you have *got* to check this place out.
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#2168728 - 10/20/13 12:14 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Yes, I saw that hammer. It turns out, on these 'fine' actions (yes, i'm being sarcastic), the center pins bend. As I was reshaping, I was leaving bent center pins in my wake, and had to reset a lot of spacing.

I'm pretty sure no one's had much experience working on these Chinese Brodmann actions yet. They seem like junk to me.




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#2168769 - 10/20/13 03:03 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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Originally Posted By: Olek
Hi Jim , thanks for the pics.

AT that point I would call it "reshaping" yet.

Using regularly powdered Teflon or talcum on the knuckles avoid that graphite contamination and protect the "leather" someho(they must be Escain).

Good hammer spacing (one is travelling left in the mediums)
You voiced them to enlarge fundamental and limit hardness is not it ?


True, Isaac. I think I'm just trying to be generous... wink

Yes, I saw that hammer. It turns out, on these 'fine' actions (yes, i'm being sarcastic), the center pins bend. As I was reshaping, I was leaving bent center pins in my wake, and had to reset a lot of spacing.

I'm pretty sure no one's had much experience working on these Chinese Brodmann actions yet. They seem like junk to me.

I have not yet come to see the light with teflon powder yet... laugh



Hi Jim, how are they sold for? What brand? Renner have a China based plant (supposedly producing for Asian Market)

Till now I did not notice a change in he materials, and the parts are stamped.

Powder just an intermediary media, on the knuckle, if not the graphite does it, transferring to the knuckle more...
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#2168876 - 10/20/13 10:50 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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There is no brand on the actions anywhere. My recollection is that these are "German-designed," Chinese-built actions, and I'm pretty sure the pianos come from the Hailun factory.
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#2168923 - 10/20/13 12:49 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Looks like a copy of Renner design, I have no idea if Renner signs what they produce locally.

Too bad that center problem. Modern centers are less rigid than the old plated brass, but to bend them.... Why not write to the factory, they may be are not aware of the problem.?
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#2169108 - 10/20/13 08:19 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Even if a part has the Renner stamp in/from China, one must consider the possibility of counterfeiting. I cannot say that it is a certain problem in the piano sphere, but generally it is a problem to be aware of.

bicycles-
http://www.fullspeedahead.com/news/176/FULL-SPEED-AHEAD-FIGHTS-COUNTERFEITS

Electronic components-
http://www.dailytech.com/Report+Counterf...rticle24741.htm

Luxury goods-
http://www.iacc.org/news-media-resources/news-archive/special-report-faked-in-china.php

zoo animals ! ?-
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes...ina-chinese-zoo

In general -
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-counterfeit-goods-are-from-china-2013-6

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#2171905 - 10/25/13 03:53 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Heh, I have 'after-after' photos to show...

Remember those gorgeously-reshaped hammers I did last week?



I paid my weekly visit to the club yesterday, and thought I'd see how they looked, six days later:





Didn't take 'em long...
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#2171934 - 10/25/13 04:42 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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Haha Jim, do you ever get the feeling at the Shout House that you are the head mechanic for a smash-up derby and your job is to try to keep cars running that are being pounded into immovable objects? wink

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#2172085 - 10/25/13 10:30 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: ando]
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Haha Jim, do you ever get the feeling at the Shout House that you are the head mechanic for a smash-up derby and your job is to try to keep cars running that are being pounded into immovable objects? wink


Totally.

But, I think it's all worth it. Hundreds of people hear the fruits of my labor every night, seven days a week.
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#2172165 - 10/26/13 03:08 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Heh, I have 'after-after' photos to show...

Remember those gorgeously-reshaped hammers I did last week?



I paid my weekly visit to the club yesterday, and thought I'd see how they looked, six days later:





Didn't take 'em long...
B


I see nothing special,

Hammers look neat after reshaping but it is due to the fluff of the felt



Edited by Olek (10/26/13 03:15 AM)
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#2172270 - 10/26/13 10:04 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Here's one of my before and after
Photo 1 (Start new project


Photo 2 (Case almost done)


Photo 3 (Lost interest)


Sometimes projects don't end up in a living room!
Instead they get the Saws-all treatment!


Edited by woodfab (10/26/13 11:59 AM)
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#2172367 - 10/26/13 01:20 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Ok, here's one for you. I made this picture for my Facebook page and website for my customers to see that we do more than just tuning.

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#2172370 - 10/26/13 01:24 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Here's one I posted to show my customers what a keytop recovering can do for their piano.

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#2191087 - 12/01/13 07:28 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Came across this on my computer the other day.
Thought of this thread.
This Steinway was bleached out like no other cabinet I have ever seen.
It also received a total rebuild inside.



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#2191088 - 12/01/13 07:35 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Beautiful job, Rod.

Is the case mahogany or walnut? The shop photo differs from the home photo.

(And yet, the piano was returned to the fireplace, heating vents, and windows.)
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#2191091 - 12/01/13 07:44 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Beautiful job, Rod.

Is the case mahogany or walnut? The shop photo differs from the home photo.

(And yet, the piano was returned to the fireplace, heating vents, and windows.)


The piano is mahogany. You could hardly tell what it was when bleached.
She purchased a piano cover, new window coverings and UV protected glass for her home.
She does not use the fireplace and the vent has been blocked.
This home sits over the water, looking down from her sundeck you can see starfish.
One of the most valuable lots for its size in Vancouver, right beside the Vancouver Yacht Club.
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#2191294 - 12/02/13 09:09 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Rod Verhnjak]
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That's quite the tranformation. Was there much damage to the veneer? That much sun damamge can leave the wood looking like barnboard. By the way, what is the little box under the piano, some other type of humidity control?


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#2191332 - 12/02/13 10:24 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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I assumed that the little black box was a satellite speaker or sub woofer. I certainly could be wrong.
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#2191585 - 12/02/13 07:42 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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The little black box is a speaker.
No major damage to the veneer, once stripped and sanded it just took some creative staining to get it all right.
You would never know it was sun damaged.
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#2191717 - 12/03/13 03:21 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Rod Verhnjak]
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Originally Posted By: Rod Verhnjak
Came across this on my computer the other day.
Thought of this thread.
This Steinway was bleached out like no other cabinet I have ever seen.
It also received a total rebuild inside.





Nicely finished, is "bleached" used for sun whitening the finish and wood color?

I thought I was only with bleach solutions (as for ivories)
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#2191719 - 12/03/13 03:24 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Ryan Hassell]
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Originally Posted By: Ryan Hassell
Here's one I posted to show my customers what a keytop recovering can do for their piano.



Hi, nice pic, I said it yet but you may wish to space your keys prior to the picture... Better looking immediately.
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#2192085 - 12/03/13 07:16 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Olek]
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Originally Posted By: Rod Verhnjak
Came across this on my computer the other day.
Thought of this thread.
This Steinway was bleached out like no other cabinet I have ever seen.
It also received a total rebuild inside.





Nicely finished, is "bleached" used for sun whitening the finish and wood color?

I thought I was only with bleach solutions (as for ivories)



We will often say the sun bleached the.....
Ultra violet rays are very damaging.
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#2192087 - 12/03/13 07:20 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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#2195733 - 12/10/13 07:07 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: BDB]
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Hi all - Just put the finishing touches on the smallest / plainest refinishing job done to date in our shop. Kind of fun, really. Stripped it down to bare wood and applied a brushed-on ebony finish.

Here's how it looked to begin with:

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Here it is now:

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A modest job, to be sure, but what the customer wanted - her piano now matches her speakers. Have a good week, everyone. Chuck
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#2195752 - 12/10/13 07:46 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hey Chuck,

Did it cross your mind to apply a Bosendorfer logo on it?

Looks Great! What is it?
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#2195756 - 12/10/13 08:04 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Did it cross your mind to apply a Bosendorfer logo on it? - Minnesota Marty


Hi Marty - I'm sure that would fool a lot of people. I could make it a Henway, however. I get a lot of calls for one of those.

It's actually a Bremen spinet. A great piano for 1st or 2nd year piano students living in cramped quarters, but that's about it. The lady who owns it loves it, however,(because it's so cute!) and that's good enough for me. Chuck
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#2195823 - 12/10/13 10:42 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hi again, Marty - Here's one that might trip up a few people with a Bosendorfer decal - a bit classier looking, at least once it was finished. Here's how it looked when it arrived at the shop:

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When it was done, it was a pretty little piano - much more so than the little Bremen spinet we did up in black:

[img:center][/img]

Anyway, the thing I like about being a shop focusing on family instruments is the variety. We rarely see the same model of piano twice, which keeps life interesting.

Have a great week up in Minnesota - stay warm! Chuck
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#2200485 - 12/19/13 11:49 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Hi all - Cold afternoon here in Iowa. Fired up the heater, put on the last episode of "Breaking Bad" (finally got to the end - really liked how it ended), and spent some relaxing time recovering a set of worn back checks. Good times!

Before shot:

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During shot:

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After shot:

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Have a great weekend, all. Chuck
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#2200496 - 12/20/13 01:04 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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A few years ago, a good friend of mine called me and asked if I knew of someone who could haul a couple of old grands away from the church where he was the choir director. Of course, I said i'd do it. One was a 1937 Howard baby grand that really was ready for the landfill (Kenny ended up coming and getting it to practice working on while he was going to school to become a tech - his next door neighbors still have the piano and love it), and the other was a 1923 Chickering 6' Centennial Grand. The Chickering had been rebuilt, but not refinished, sometime in the not-too-distant past; it had been restrung, the sound board refinished, and the action worked on, including a new set of hammers. It was missing a music desk and lid prop, and was butt-ugly.

Another friend of ours lost their home and possessions in the 2007 Witch Creek fire (it, combined with the Harris fire, burned over 200,000 acres of San Diego county), including their old Steinway M. Another friend and I decided we would refinish the Chickering and give it to them for a housewarming present when their new house was built.

Here it is in the early stages of refinishing:




And here it is, in their new home:



I know the new music desk is a little over the top, but they like it. We traced the desk from a Steinway square grand, and copied the shelf from my 1925 Chickering Ampico A.
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#2200566 - 12/20/13 08:40 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: OperaTenor]
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Jim - Quite a housewarming present - a beautiful job! Chuck
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#2200780 - 12/21/13 02:05 AM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Always a pleasure to see the beautiful work presented here.

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#2201012 - 12/21/13 02:57 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck Behm
Jim - Quite a housewarming present - a beautiful job! Chuck


Thank you, Chuck!
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#2201394 - 12/22/13 01:08 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck Behm

Hi all - Chickering spinet done. Here's the before and after shots I promised:

Before:

[img:center]http://[/img]

And after:

[img:center]http://[/img]

Well, gotta run. Wife and I are watching our twin 3-year old grandsons this evening. Have a great weekend, all! Chuck




That Chickering has an interesting style. With those hind legs and curved in ends, it looks like it tries to evoke a square grand.

I like how you got the dog in the same spot for both pics!

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#2201413 - 12/22/13 02:19 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: guyl]
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That Chickering has an interesting style. With those hind legs and curved in ends, it looks like it tries to evoke a square grand. - guyl


Hi guyl - This style is certainly interesting - also way more work to refinish than the typical spinet. When I estimated the job, I made the mistake of quoting our ordinary price for a spinet case. What I should have done is use our upright price for the quote. I'm sure there was as much square footage to do on this piano as the typical upright. Well, live and learn.

Max, my shop dog, is never far from the action, and is usually standing nearby as if waiting for instructions. If I could just get him to hold a varnish brush! wink

Have a great holiday week! Chuck Behm
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#2245557 - 03/12/14 07:51 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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I picked up a baby grand that had one foot in the dumpster a while back. It was pretty rough, but had good bones. A 1929 Ampico "Symphonique" that had the reproducing action removed.

A friend of mine and I spruced it up considerably (it didn't need rebuilding, just some action work and a new set of hammers), and delivered it yesterday to a friend of his, all for the cost of the new hammers.

A labor of love, if you will.

For what it's worth, it sounds great. After it acclimates and I tune it and finish regulating it, I'll post a recording of it.

Here it is when we started on it, pretty rough:




And here it was yesterday, right after moving it in to its new home:




(We have the bench - just finishing up on repairing and refinishing it)



There is a spot on the lid where we replaced some of the veneer, and it didn't color match up very well. Considering this was a gift, essentially, we weren't too worried about it.
BTW, this is a brushed-on shellac finish.





The trim on the case is quarter-sawn maple, something that didn't really stand out until we refinished it.

My friend did a very meticulous job of cleaning up the plate.



And here it is with its new owner:

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#2253347 - 03/27/14 11:55 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Good job bringing this piano back to life for a happy owner, Mr. Boydston. I like the toning seen in the bottom-most photo, characteristic of a certain era ( I'm not sure which time-frame, actually).
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#2300726 - 07/10/14 01:01 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Here's a link to a video diary that I made of a Story & Clark piano that I refinished for a customer. Delivering the piano today.

[link]http://youtu.be/z4pMqklU2KA[/link]
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#2300746 - 07/10/14 01:54 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Ryan Hassell]
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Originally Posted By: Ryan Hassell
Here's a link to a video diary that I made of a Story & Clark piano that I refinished for a customer. Delivering the piano today.

[link]http://youtu.be/z4pMqklU2KA[/link]



Cool.

I would guess you had to be careful around the
Story and Clark brand sticker, because if you
damaged it, it would be hard or impossible to find
a replacement.

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#2300822 - 07/10/14 05:02 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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Story & Clark decals are readily available.
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#2300827 - 07/10/14 05:13 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
Story & Clark decals are readily available.


Oh, ok.

So do you usually just sand off the old sticker, and
put a new one on after all the finishing?

What about the bigger decals you find on the soundboard?

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#2300829 - 07/10/14 05:18 PM Re: Post Your Before / After Shots Here [Re: Chuck Behm]
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