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#2162923 - 10/07/13 09:31 AM Quoting Ettiquette
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I don't want to become "net police," but there's a recent phenomenon that maybe we could improve a bit.

There has recently been a huge number of posts that start out "you wrote," then copy and paste the entire original post, then answer it. This formerly didn't happen much.

Well, kudos for not top posting! BUT! it is still very difficult to read through it all and figure out who said what.

It would be a much appreciated courtesy if you would use the quote button (which puts the quote in another font with gray background) AND snip unnecessary words in the quote.
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#2162940 - 10/07/13 10:11 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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You wrote:

I don't want to become "net police," but there's a recent phenomenon that maybe we could improve a bit.

There has recently been a huge number of posts that start out "you wrote," then copy and paste the entire original post, then answer it. This formerly didn't happen much.

Well, kudos for not top posting! BUT! it is still very difficult to read through it all and figure out who said what.

It would be a much appreciated courtesy if you would use the quote button (which puts the quote in another font with gray background) AND snip unnecessary words in the quote.

Originally Posted By: Psychonaut

I totally agree with this. Just use the quote feature. LOL


Edited by Psychonaut (10/07/13 10:31 AM)
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#2162959 - 10/07/13 10:55 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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Psycho,

You are not alone in wishing for this.

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#2162963 - 10/07/13 11:07 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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Yes. I hate it as I have to search through that post for an answer. Usually I completely skip these posts.

I even PM'ed the first user of this new approach if he could change it to the 'standard' quoting mechanism. Never got a reply on that.
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#2162964 - 10/07/13 11:09 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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Quote:
Well, kudos for not top posting!


What is top posting?
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#2162968 - 10/07/13 11:17 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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I'm sure this is mostly referring to one person. Show him more grace than usual. He has enough problems already.
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#2162971 - 10/07/13 11:19 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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Thank you, Ron.

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#2162984 - 10/07/13 11:39 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
Psychonaut Offline
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Originally Posted By: TimR
...AND snip unnecessary words in the quote.


This is a huge part of it too. If we're responding to one point in a three paragraph post, it's really distracting to have to read through the entire three paragraphs. (I usually use an ellipsis to demonstrate that I'm only grabbing part of the quote, as in above.)
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#2162996 - 10/07/13 12:24 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: wouter79]
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Originally Posted By: wouter79
Quote:
Well, kudos for not top posting!


What is top posting?


A. No.
Q. Does top-posting make sense?

Top posting is putting your reply at the top of the post you are replying to, forcing the reader to scan down and then back up to follow the discussion. Most places consider it very bad manners.
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#2162998 - 10/07/13 12:30 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
I'm sure this is mostly referring to one person. .


I hope this is mostly the case, and will remain so. The first thread that annoyed me had more than one poster doing it, and I feared a new trend. Sorry if I overreacted.
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#2163001 - 10/07/13 12:37 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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I don't know what "top posting" is.

Some ways of quoting:
You can use the quote button on the bottom and then we'll see who said what. But when you want to quote other things that disappears.

You can also use the other quote button, but then you don't get who said it. However if you put "=(name)" you'll get that part. Or even hand type the symbols.

In other words - minus the spaces:

[ quote = anybody ] Hiya! Bye. [ / quote ]

Will give you:

Originally Posted By: anybody
Hiya! Bye.

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#2163031 - 10/07/13 01:53 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
I'm sure this is mostly referring to one person. Show him more grace than usual. He has enough problems already.


Sure, he is careful and good with his replies. It just would be nice if he made it a bit more readible smile
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#2163052 - 10/07/13 03:04 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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TimR;

This has been raised elsewhere on more than one occasion. Surely it`d be better to ignore the offending response rather than make an issue over somebody`s personal struggles? I think you`d do well to back off. It`s not necessary.
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#2163062 - 10/07/13 03:59 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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TimR, you have referred twice to "top posting". What does that mean?

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#2163076 - 10/07/13 04:46 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: keystring]
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Top posting means putting your answer above the quoted material, as I have done here. There is an explanation of this earlier in the thread, and why it is annoying.

Originally Posted By: keystring
TimR, you have referred twice to "top posting". What does that mean?
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#2163079 - 10/07/13 04:54 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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For the particular poster who always posts in the way Tim described with "you wrote" and a block of text, after a previous discussion about this with him he puts a line at the end of the "you wrote" material, to aid in navigation. Scroll down to the line, and you'll find the reply following it. For various reasons the Quote function just isn't feasible for this poster, so either learn to cut him some slack and put up with it, or ignore his posts. I don't think he will be able to change. I'm glad he is able to participate in these forums.
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#2163086 - 10/07/13 05:02 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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That long dividing line after the quotes in question happens to make the entire thread extremely irritating to read on a smaller display. Because of that long line those of us without wide browser screens need to scroll from side to side to read, for the entire rest of the thread.

BTW, the same problem happens when someone pastes in a long URL (web address) instead of using the linking tags and concise link text.
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#2163091 - 10/07/13 05:10 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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Tim has already apologized, and let's be fair, he was unaware of the challenges for the user in question.

No need to beat him over the head with it.

Let's move on, ok?
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#2163096 - 10/07/13 05:19 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Originally Posted By: PianoStudent88
Top posting means putting your answer above the quoted material, as I have done here. There is an explanation of this earlier in the thread, and why it is annoying.

Originally Posted By: keystring
TimR, you have referred twice to "top posting". What does that mean?

Thanks PS88. I missed it.

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#2163146 - 10/07/13 07:35 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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tangleweeds, perhaps via PM you could contact the poster and jointly identify a better way to divide the quote from the reply.
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#2163149 - 10/07/13 07:47 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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Thanks, PS88, that's a good suggestion. And I apologize to everyone for being so cranky too -- I'm sleep deprived today, and not at my best.


Edited by tangleweeds (10/07/13 07:59 PM)
Edit Reason: add crucial missing word
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#2163175 - 10/07/13 09:16 PM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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The cranky, the snappily judgemental, and the quote button impaired are as much a part of our forum family as the relentlessly optimistic and buoyantly cheerful.

Like any family we're like a box of chocolates: mostly sweet with a few nuts.
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#2163281 - 10/08/13 04:37 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: PianoStudent88]
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Well, I'm not as inclusive and understanding as most of you are, so I simply added him to my ignore list a long time ago. To be honest, I don't like endless monologues in general, whatever the quoting method. The only long posts I eagerly read word by word are Richard's wink
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#2163283 - 10/08/13 04:44 AM Re: Quoting Ettiquette [Re: TimR]
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I think this thread has more than served its purpose now it is simply rehashing and discussing an individual in our midst who makes great efforts to contribute in a worthwhile manner.

We can value those contributions or not - but I don't think we need to go on about this anymore.






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