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#2163506 - 10/08/13 02:58 PM leaps and jumps question
Michael_99 Offline
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As a beginner when I play a piece and the hand position is middle C when I play the first note of the piece - if that is what it is called, correctly, and then I usually play the little piece started at the lowest C on the piano - if the piece lets me - or I might have to play it one C higher so that I can play the bass clef, too, else there is no room below or bass notes on the keyboard to play the bass notes. After I play that then I moved to the next C higher and/or I play it there until I run out of the 88 keys at the righthand side of the piano. When I am doing this - is this doing a jump and a leap and if it is not a leap or a jump what is it that I am doing so I know what word I should use to describe what I do when I move on up or down the keyboard playing the pieces so I can describe it succinctly. Thank you for any feedback or help with my question.


respectfully yours,

3BO8LJQ


Edited by Michael_99 (10/08/13 03:00 PM)

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#2163574 - 10/08/13 06:03 PM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]
earlofmar Offline
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Michael this link may clarify things for you.
http://pianosage.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/piano-athletics-leaps-jumps-on-piano.html

Description of a leap in this blog is a "A leap is a large, quick movement from one note or chord to another (requiring a change of hand position)"
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#2163656 - 10/08/13 08:52 PM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]
malkin Offline
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Hi Michael

As I understand your description, I would call it playing a piece in lower or higher octaves. I do this with kids at school when we sing the Itsy Bitsy Spider. First I play it in the middle and we sing it the normal way; then I play it two octaves lower and we sing The Great Big Spider and then I play it in an octave way up high and we sing the Itsiest Bitsiest Spider. It is great fun.
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#2163699 - 10/08/13 10:34 PM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: earlofmar]
Michael_99 Offline
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earlofmar, I have read your post, here;

Re: leaps and jumps question
Michael this link may clarify things for you.

http://pianosage.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/piano-athletics-leaps-jumps-on-piano.html

Description of a leap in this blog is a "A leap is a large, quick movement from one note or chord to another (requiring a change of hand position)"

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earlofmar, thanks for your prompt and helpful reply.

I am definitely not doing leaps. Leaps seem very difficult and are best left for another time.

3B08JP


Edited by Michael_99 (10/08/13 10:35 PM)

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#2163706 - 10/08/13 10:50 PM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: malkin]
Michael_99 Offline
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malkin, I have read your post, here:

subject: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]

Hi Michael

As I understand your description, I would call it playing a piece in lower or higher octaves. I do this with kids at school when we sing the Itsy Bitsy Spider. First I play it in the middle and we sing it the normal way; then I play it two octaves lower and we sing The Great Big Spider and then I play it in an octave way up high and we sing the Itsiest Bitsiest Spider. It is great fun.

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malkin, thanks for your prompt and helpful reply.

Your answer make me realize that the octaves are given names - so I looked at a music book called "The Russian School of Piano Playing" by Boosey and Hawkes and on page 8 it lists the octaves from the bass to the high end of the piano listed below:

Sub-octave, etc.
Contra octave, etc.
Great
Small
First
Second
Third
Fourth

3B08AN



Edited by Michael_99 (10/08/13 10:51 PM)

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#2163724 - 10/09/13 12:07 AM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]
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The different octaves are also sometimes numbered.

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#2163759 - 10/09/13 03:04 AM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: tangleweeds]
Michael_99 Offline
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tangleweeds, I have read your post, here:

subject: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]

The different octaves are also sometimes numbered.

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tangleweeds, thanks very much. I remember seeing that but I didn't know where.

That is perfect for me to use.

3B09PFC

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#2164060 - 10/09/13 06:36 PM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]
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This RCM 4 piece Chastushka op. 89, no. 25 by Kabalevshy illustrates jumps. The key to playing this is to have your hand in place to play the note BEFORE the beat. The tendency is to move your hand with the beat which is too late. Learning this prepares you for later pieces that involves much more complex movements. Notice in the video this person did not move his hand before the beat causing the initial hickup. Later he moves his hand just in time, which is not ideal. Ideally, his left hand should be in place waiting crossed over his right hand as he plays the chord with his right. The key to jumps is doing it before you need it.

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#2164607 - 10/10/13 08:53 PM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: 4evrBeginR]
Michael_99 Offline
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4evrBeginR, I have read your post, here:

subject: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]

This RCM 4 piece Chastushka op. 89, no. 25 by Kabalevshy illustrates jumps. The key to playing this is to have your hand in place to play the note BEFORE the beat. The tendency is to move your hand with the beat which is too late. Learning this prepares you for later pieces that involves much more complex movements. Notice in the video this person did not move his hand before the beat causing the initial hickup. Later he moves his hand just in time, which is not ideal. Ideally, his left hand should be in place waiting crossed over his right hand as he plays the chord with his right. The key to jumps is doing it before you need it.

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4evrBeginR, Thanks very much for taking the time to post an answer to my question. I very much appreciate you taking the time to find a piece that demonstrates a jump. I rushed down to the music store today and got the piece. It is exciting on many levels. First, it is within my range of play; it is Russian and for some reason I have an excitement of to play something Russian and it is exiting because I get to do a jump in the piece. As a beginner, I am working my way though John Thompson method books, and am in the second book within a few pages. I will be stepping out of the book to learn to play this piece and stepping back into John Thompson to continue my journey of learning to play the piano.


cheers,

3B10JR

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#2164664 - 10/10/13 11:57 PM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]
4evrBeginR Offline
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Good for you! Glad that my previous lessons could benefit others. It's a fun piece to learn.
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#2164667 - 10/11/13 12:06 AM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]
malkin Offline
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Loc: *sigh* Salt Lake City
Originally Posted By: Michael_99

...Leaps seem very difficult and are best left for another time.

3B08JP


Michael, I am glad you are going to give some jumps a try. You have mentioned before that you practice slowly so that you can play without errors---jumps are just one more skill. Awkward at first, but then you can learn it.

Have fun and good luck!
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#2164706 - 10/11/13 03:34 AM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: malkin]
Michael_99 Offline
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Loc: Canada Alberta
malkin, I have read your post, here:

Michael, I am glad you are going to give some jumps a try. You have mentioned before that you practice slowly so that you can play without errors---jumps are just one more skill. Awkward at first, but then you can learn it.

Have fun and good luck

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Thanks, malkin.

Don't you like it when you get halfway through a piece and you have your treble clef change to a bass clef and a right hand over - and then you get confused - even though you have notes writen all over the page giving yourself instructions so you don't get confused the next time and the next you get confused again. It is fun doing hand over and a clef change but your brain doesn't always like it!

I made a note to myself with a paper clip to write myself some exercises to smooth out the process so it is not a shocker everytime.

cheers,

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#2164836 - 10/11/13 11:16 AM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: Michael_99]
jotur Offline
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Registered: 09/16/06
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Loc: Santa Fe, NM
Originally Posted By: Michael
I made a note to myself with a paper clip to write myself some exercises to smooth out the process so it is not a shocker everytime.

cheers,


I have some shockers like that laugh It can be pretty funny when you're playing with a band and suddenly realize you're not in the same key they are laugh Or practicing a piece and miss that darn octave Bb in the bass - again. Good thing I have a sense of humor.

Making up an exercise is a good idea.

Cathy


Edited by jotur (10/11/13 11:16 AM)
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#2164848 - 10/11/13 11:41 AM Re: leaps and jumps question [Re: jotur]
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Originally Posted By: jotur
Originally Posted By: Michael
I made a note to myself with a paper clip to write myself some exercises to smooth out the process so it is not a shocker everytime.

cheers,


I have some shockers like that laugh It can be pretty funny when you're playing with a band and suddenly realize you're not in the same key they are laugh Or practicing a piece and miss that darn octave Bb in the bass - again.


Or playing a church service (off a lead sheet this time) and the guitar player leans over in the middle of a hymn and whispers we go from key of D to E on the last verse.

Dang! A little warning would have been nice!
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