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#2165364 - 10/12/13 05:40 PM Multitrack recordings . .
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Need a hand here, guys. I`ve been using the old method of onboard recoding on my pee-anno which has all of 5 tracks (+backing) none of which I can edit.

Now, the absence of modern machinery to provide multitrack recording, yet embody hundreds of decent instrument/synth/etc stuff indicates clearly that this method is outdated. The computer link up is the way to go, it would seem, which entails all sorts o` stuff that darned near scares me to death. And seems inconvenient to boot (sorry).

Those of you who do multirecording tracks; waddya do?? How d`ya find it?

Otherwise it`s retro for me since I could do with a better keyboard action(Yammy CLP270 or similar) or Casio (have yet to thoroughly try them out) . . . .

Thanks for reading!
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#2165383 - 10/12/13 06:27 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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As you mentioned- I think the multitrack machinery (Tascam etc..) has become less popular due to the computer.

For the last 3 years I have been using for 8 tracks the Roland Juno Gi which has a built in digital recorder.

Now, the interesting thing is the Juno Gi also serves as a audio interface so I am able to record my virtual piano (Addictive Keys on it)

I am also learning Mixcraft (a computer recording program) and have a Steinberg interface
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#2165389 - 10/12/13 06:43 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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you could start by trying these:

http://www.multitrackstudio.com/

http://www.cockos.com/reaper/index.php

Both of these are well under 100 dollars - around 40 euros...I use the second one of those: Reaper from cuckos. I think you already use pianoteq so you must already be hooked up to the piano with midi/ audio, and be using some kind of asio with the sound card, so it's just a matter of running midi through one of the above mentioned mutli-trackers.

You can then run the sounds from the piano (or other external source including microphone etc) through the multi-tracker, or use 'vst's which are sounds installed in the computer as plug-ins, usually.

The number of tracks is unlimited, but in practice, will be restricted by how good your computer is - mine begins to crack up when dealing with 20 or so tracks because the CPUs (even though fast)begin to crack up - or rather, the stream of data cracks up.
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#2165394 - 10/12/13 07:00 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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however, if looking for an actual machine (not a computer program/ daw) I'd check out these Zoom multitrackers: http://www.thomann.de/gb/zoom_r16.htm

Certainly, it would avoid all that arsing around with latency and sample buffer sizes etc etc - which is unavoidable with computer based systems (at least if using Windows)

ps, I like your 'to boot' joke - it's really very good - dry as Plymouth Gin.


Edited by toddy (10/12/13 07:04 PM)
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#2165395 - 10/12/13 07:01 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: Possum SP280Krome]
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Contemporary digital recording setups constitute a whole universe of information, and there are lots of ways to do it. I would try to get acquainted by trying a site such as:

http://tweakheadz.com/guide-to-home-and-project-music-studios/
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#2165414 - 10/12/13 08:20 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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Here 'ya go Mr. Pete:
laugh
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#2165529 - 10/13/13 04:49 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: Scott Hamlin]
peterws Offline
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I do like the look o` that! It`d prob be more awkward then a software multi. . . .
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#2165530 - 10/13/13 04:59 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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Ah, that takes me back. After stuggling with sound-on-sound using an old Akai reel-to-reel, my first proper multitrack was a cassette Tascam. Then I went to a Fostex 8-track, and then to software with Cakewalk, which became Sonar, and alongside which I am now slowly learning to use Reaper.

(There was a documentary a while back on Les Paul. Wow! He made homebrew sound-on-sound actually work. Something I could never do.)
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#2165568 - 10/13/13 08:34 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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I think the simplest way to go is to record into Audacity. You'd be doing audio recording, not MIDI, but you can record as many different tracks as you want, and there are ways to adjust for latency if that's an issue. Plus, it's free smile
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#2165587 - 10/13/13 09:35 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: Morodiene]
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That does sound like the easiest option for me.
I did it for two tracks.
Now I`ll do it for three!
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#2165606 - 10/13/13 10:19 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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Easy ... pah!

Come on, there's a 60 day trial period for Reaper; after which it's peanuts to buy if you like it. Then you can capture and fully edit MIDI sequence tracks as well as audio. Not enough reverb? Too much reverb? Want a little phasing for your string section? Easy.

What have you got to lose? Dip that toe in that water!
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#2166138 - 10/14/13 02:45 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: de cajon]
peterws Offline
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Iwas looking at a Youtube reaper demo. The guy was adept, but it`s still very messy compared to onboard. On my 5 tracker I can mute tracks or play them, record alongside `em, but I have to preset the vol of each track, no big deal.

All I really want are 16 tracks. So it`s an old Yammie or a new Casio . . .on this occasion, maybe the older canditate is the more able.

But nor so available . . .
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#2166164 - 10/14/13 03:35 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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Since the demo is completely functional and free - and very small in terms of bytes, compared to samplers etc, why not experiment with Reaper? As with any of these daw programs, you've got full muting/ solo facilities with very flexible options for un-muting in blocs, etc etc. Sky's the limit - or you can potter around with just a handful of midi tracks.
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#2166555 - 10/15/13 08:51 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: de cajon]
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Originally Posted By: de cajon
Easy ... pah!

Come on, there's a 60 day trial period for Reaper; after which it's peanuts to buy if you like it. Then you can capture and fully edit MIDI sequence tracks as well as audio. Not enough reverb? Too much reverb? Want a little phasing for your string section? Easy.

What have you got to lose? Dip that toe in that water!


I think you might be overselling the "simplicity" of Reaper to someone who is a novice with DAW's. There is a learning curve with all of them- and Reaper is no small simple program. and i don't think peterws wants to become a techie.

its a great program and its pricing structure is very amateur friendly, but it still takes a lot of time and study to use it properly. A worthwhile endeavor for those oriented that way, but a distraction for people just wanting to create some amateur recordings.

peter- i have cubase and understand it well enough but i find for just recording piano stuff and maybe overdubbing a couple extra tracks for strings or guitar etc my little Tascam dp-008 works fine and is really easier to use. To me, there is something about an actual piece of hardware with buttons and dials that is easier to work with than a mouse and a computer screen. But it depends on whether you are wanting to invest a lot of time understanding software DAW's in order to produce more professional and sophisticated recordings, or if you just want to record for fun and your enjoyment.
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#2166612 - 10/15/13 10:41 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: bfb]
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Originally Posted By: bfb

I think you might be overselling the "simplicity" of Reaper to someone who is a novice with DAW's. There is a learning curve with all of them- and Reaper is no small simple program. and i don't think peterws wants to become a techie.


This is true, but to a great extent DAWs such as Reaper are only as easy or complex as you need them to be. Though digging into the advanced features does involve engaging in a significant learning curve, to make a simple project template that has, say, 8 tracks routing audio/MIDI isn't difficult to learn or apply, and I'm sure many people either here or at the Reaper forums would be happy to help the OP set it up. Plus, the Tascam dp-008 is 4-5 times the price, whereas anyone can try Reaper for 60 days absolutely free. If it doesn't work out, one can always try a hardware solution then.
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#2166621 - 10/15/13 11:00 AM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: Psychonaut]
peterws Offline
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In many ways you`re right; when I first got me `puter, it nearly went through the window 3 times. And I was terrified of computer music . . . gotta decide how far to take this! The CVP range seems easy to operate and at a decent level; if I sawed 6 inches off the back of it, it`d be a good fit and a whole less ugly . . .

I`m doin` this purely for fun. But it is getting a tad serious beyond 5 tracks, it seems. . . .Now Yamaha do the CLP150 which is neat and orangey. And has 16 tracks for recording. Fine. But you have to press so many keys and buttons to achieve this . . Don`t want that. I have too many other things to do, even on the oiano!

Thanks for your trouble, guys!


Edited by peterws (10/15/13 11:09 AM)
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#2166645 - 10/15/13 12:10 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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I do know what you mean. And I sympathize. I'm currently trying to drum up the will power to choose and learn a replacement live VST host, as mentioned elsewhere hereabouts. The "wow that'll be exciting" of forty years ago has been worn down to "[sigh], do I really need this?"
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#2166663 - 10/15/13 12:58 PM Re: Multitrack recordings . . [Re: peterws]
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I use an iPad and an audio interface the Roland Duo capture. Using garage band on the iPad is a whole lot easier that my using my Roland BOSS BR-800! Plus I can import the tracks directly to my computer for more work if needed or just export them directly to sound cloud from the device.

Way simpler than any digital multi-track I have used to date. And I've had a few of them.
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