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#2165692 - 10/13/13 03:02 PM Need advise!
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Hi, i need guidance to learn piano. I can play with my right hand easily and i can also play by ear(expect for the chords). My goal is to play smoothly by both hands and to play by reading sheet music. Any suggestions is welcomed.

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#2165713 - 10/13/13 03:53 PM Re: Need advise! [Re: djaytg]
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I bet if you started in on the Alfred's All-in-One method (there's a giant thread about using this method right here in this forum), you could cruise right up to where people often hit the wall, at Blow the Man Down. That's where you really start working with busy but independent hands.

The previous pages are still worth doing though, as there is an introduction to chording, starting with the most common ones to hear and use, which can help you recognize the common chords when playing by ear.

But what I wish I had know when I first started learning from Alfred years ago (I've come back to it now for different reasons, but that's a different story). Instead of blowing through the "chord banging" section of the book as quickly as possible, there's actually something very important to learn there.

Personally, back then I thought easy the chord-banging tunes at the beginning sounded awful... Which they did! Doh! ... because i was banging out the chords with my left hand, which totally overwhelms the melody and sounds quite crude.

So my advice to the wise beginner there is to use the first half of the book as an opportunity to tame the thumpy un-coordination of a right-handed person's left hand.


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#2165716 - 10/13/13 03:59 PM Re: Need advise! [Re: djaytg]
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The first Bartok Mikrokosmos book is a lovely introduction to hand independence. No chords, just parallel melody lines starting out in pure parallel motion, moving into simple hand shifts, contrary motion, contrary motion with shifts, displaced beats etc. Not only does it get both hands moving, it keeps you reading on two lines as well.

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#2165751 - 10/13/13 05:45 PM Re: Need advise! [Re: djaytg]
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Originally Posted By: djaytg
Hi, i need guidance to learn piano. I can play with my right hand easily and i can also play by ear(expect for the chords). My goal is to play smoothly by both hands and to play by reading sheet music. Any suggestions is welcomed.



Hey Djay, let me ask you something ... can you play the melody by ear to "Silent Night" in the key of C, and do you know the words to the first verse?
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#2165883 - 10/14/13 02:45 AM Re: Need advise! [Re: djaytg]
djaytg Offline
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@tangleweeds i have started with Alfred's Adult Piano Course Level one. The problem that I'm facing is after a couple of tries on a song, i can play the song without reading the sheet music(expect for the LH). Is this normal? should i complete any basic sight reading books before jumping into Alfred's course?

@KurtZ i will be sure to look into Bartok Mikrokosmos book 1.

@Rerun yes i can play the melody by ear to "Silent Night" in the key of C, but i don't know the words to the first verse.

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#2165930 - 10/14/13 07:02 AM Re: Need advise! [Re: djaytg]
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Originally Posted By: djaytg


@Rerun yes i can play the melody by ear to "Silent Night" in the key of C, but i don't know the words to the first verse.


Ok, you mentioned having trouble with the chords in the left hand ... you know the tune begins with the C chord because you are playing in that key, but for purposes of our communicating, if you can find a copy of the lyrics, what three letter word does the tune change to the next chord in "Silent Night" and what chord does it move to?

Just use block chords with the left hand like C E G notes. Next, what is the same 3 letter word where it changes chords again, and what chord is that one.

Hey djay, I'm just trying to get you halfway up the hump with hearing/learning the chords, then you can take it to some other tunes. You can do this.

http://www.pianomagic.com/index.asp
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#2166608 - 10/15/13 10:35 AM Re: Need advise! [Re: Rerun]
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Hey Rerun, i have no experience in chords whatsoever. As i've just started with Alfred's book 1, i know 2 chords so far (c major and G7). I have no problem in finding any key by hearing but when there are 2 or more keys are played at the same time, i find it difficult. Can you a solution where i can overcome this situation?

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#2166635 - 10/15/13 11:40 AM Re: Need advise! [Re: djaytg]
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Originally Posted By: djaytg
Hey Rerun, i have no experience in chords whatsoever. As i've just started with Alfred's book 1, i know 2 chords so far (c major and G7). I have no problem in finding any key by hearing but when there are 2 or more keys are played at the same time, i find it difficult. Can you a solution where i can overcome this situation?


Perfect, if you know those two chords C and G7, that will get you thru:

"Silent Night, Holy Night, all is calm, all is bright" ...

To make it a little easier at the start play a C chord (C-E-G) just slowly tapping it out with your left hand fingers and listen to it with your ears getting the sound of a C chord memorized in your ear.

Next, tap out a G chord without the 7th (G-B-D) and listen to it and get that sound in your ear.

Now hum or play the melody with the right hand (using one finger will work good enough for now). Now, let your ears tell you when the chord changes from a C chord to a G chord and then a G chord back to a C chord ... on which two 3 letter word of the lyrics do the chords change?.

When you've solved that, play an F chord (F-A-C) and get the sound of that chord in your ear, in fact, play a C chord, then an F chord, then a G chord ... are your ears hearing anything special about those three chords?
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#2166671 - 10/15/13 01:42 PM Re: Need advise! [Re: djaytg]
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Originally Posted By: djaytg
Hi, i need guidance to learn piano. I can play with my right hand easily and i can also play by ear(expect for the chords). My goal is to play smoothly by both hands and to play by reading sheet music. Any suggestions is welcomed.


Is there some reason you are not getting a teacher ?

That would be my suggestion, and hopefully .... before you accumulate too many bad habits which will make things more difficult for you.
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