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#2166034 - 10/14/13 12:03 PM Impromptu in d minor
Skinkken Offline
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My previous piece (Prelude in e minor): http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2125390.html#Post2125390


So again I got a musical idea in my head and I started writing it down with MuseScore. I could say that it took a little more time than my prelude. It was ready in a week. Then there have been work with a computer played listening version and cleaner sheet music. Now I think it's time to publish. This is the second piece I have composed. I always first compose it on computer, then try it with piano and fix some parts. I think that this is even harder than the first composition (prelude).

Feedback is very important, both positive and negative. Many parts can be done better, and I may have not noticed everything. In my opinion this would have been a little longer, but I probably won't been trying to lengthen it anymore. It would be also very hard to do, as as the composer I have heard this so many times and all changes would sound strange.

-A 17 year old highschool student from Finland.


Listening version and sheet music here: http://pianosociety.com/new/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5761
SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/skinkken/impromptu1


Edited by Skinkken (10/14/13 12:17 PM)

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#2166044 - 10/14/13 12:41 PM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: Skinkken]
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One thing that stands out to me: I enjoy the middle section with the 16th-note triplets, but the way you conclude them at measure 25 is abrupt, crude, and banal, and in my opinion premature. It sounds like you just decided you didn't feel like writing any more of this, so you just inserted a bar of long notes and went back to your original idea. First theme I'm not so crazy about; the harmony lacks continuity and there is no defined structure.
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#2166072 - 10/14/13 01:24 PM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: Skinkken]
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Skinkken,

There are some interesting ideas here. I hear a lot of teen angst so there's a lot of loud and heavy chords. The sixteenth triplet part breaks up the rhythm, but not the dynamics. I don't find the transition back to the first section as troubling as Polyphonist, but I do think you'll find your work improves when you strive to delay gratification.

I myself have done exactly what Polyphonist accused you of, decided I'd had enough and transitioned to something else. However, I've found that transitions are a place the composer can ply the art by making them elegant and perhaps hint at what's coming next before actually making the move.

Hope that helps.

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#2166200 - 10/14/13 04:31 PM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
One thing that stands out to me: I enjoy the middle section with the 16th-note triplets, but the way you conclude them at measure 25 is abrupt, crude, and banal, and in my opinion premature. It sounds like you just decided you didn't feel like writing any more of this, so you just inserted a bar of long notes and went back to your original idea. First theme I'm not so crazy about; the harmony lacks continuity and there is no defined structure.


If someone said this about your music you would throw a sarcastic fit.

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#2166456 - 10/15/13 02:28 AM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: JoelW]
Skinkken Offline
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
One thing that stands out to me: I enjoy the middle section with the 16th-note triplets, but the way you conclude them at measure 25 is abrupt, crude, and banal, and in my opinion premature. It sounds like you just decided you didn't feel like writing any more of this, so you just inserted a bar of long notes and went back to your original idea. First theme I'm not so crazy about; the harmony lacks continuity and there is no defined structure.


If someone said this about your music you would throw a sarcastic fit.

Yes, that was stated out quite heavily, but that opened my eyes on that part and I think I can improve it. Steve also gave tips to think about.

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#2166499 - 10/15/13 05:31 AM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: Skinkken]
JoelW Offline
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Good, it should have opened your eyes. And Polyphonist was not wrong to criticize you. I was just making a point about something else yesterday. That's all. smile

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#2166591 - 10/15/13 10:07 AM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
One thing that stands out to me: I enjoy the middle section with the 16th-note triplets, but the way you conclude them at measure 25 is abrupt, crude, and banal, and in my opinion premature. It sounds like you just decided you didn't feel like writing any more of this, so you just inserted a bar of long notes and went back to your original idea. First theme I'm not so crazy about; the harmony lacks continuity and there is no defined structure.


If someone said this about your music you would throw a sarcastic fit.

If it was actually true of my music, then no, I wouldn't.
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#2290494 - 06/16/14 01:05 PM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: Skinkken]
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A recording of me playing this at a student concert: http://soundcloud.com/skinkken/impromptu-in-d-minor

Sounds a lot different than the computer version! You can also hear I changed the ending.

How comes I can't edit the first post? shocked


Edited by Skinkken (06/16/14 01:10 PM)

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#2437775 - 07/02/15 09:34 AM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: Skinkken]
Skinkken Offline
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I have to bump thread because I can't edit posts: Pianosociety links are dead. New links here:

Sheet music: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3J4hi2EEiX9c0k3Z3VWYVVIN2c

MP3: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3J4hi2EEiX9TnFUdTVsZzVZQUk
Same here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Jxj9PBlFI

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#2445914 - 07/30/15 02:33 PM Re: Impromptu in d minor [Re: Skinkken]
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Registered: 12/07/13
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This is solid for a teenage effort. You have several good ideas here. The hardest thing about composing when you're young is learning how to develop ideas, to really get all that you can out of them, and to connect ideas. You have to ask yourself, "Where is this heading?" and "What can I do with this?" When you find yourself stuck, you don't necessarily need to move on to a new section. Break down what you're doing harmonically to see if you can expand upon what you're doing, look at your motifs and try to find out what is latent in them.

My favorite part is the part that starts around 45 seconds into your live soundcloud recording. It's a little basic, but it's good material to extend. I would consider syncopating the lower voice a little to give some rhythmic interest. Adding a third voice partway through might make for a more interesting cadence, to really drive the music into an inevitable climax (rather than merely adding a brief flourish of smaller note values), but I'm partial to polyphony.

It's a good initial effort into composition. Work on your structures, on extending your harmonic progressions, and developing your motifs more.

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