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#2166806 - 10/15/13 07:11 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
I'm a lover of Beethoven. Not only his piano music, but I really enjoy listening to the symphonies and the chamber music.

Throuhout the years I have played (or at least attempted to play) several of his sonatas. The last few years, however, I have put them aside, but now I'm seriously considering to re-learn at least one of them. My problem now is to choose. There are so many nice ones among the most difficult sonatas, but I think I'll have to be realistic and pick one of the less challenging ones.

Maybe I'm weird, but if I had sufficient ability and capacity I would have played the late Op.101.

In the realistic group I have Op.14/2, Op.22, Op,10/3 and with some doubt Op.2/3 and Op.31/2. I have tentatively looked at Op.22, but haven't made up my mind yet. If I ever get started......


Go for it Ganddalf!
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#2166824 - 10/15/13 07:47 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
...I have tentatively looked at Op.22...
Opus 22 is BIG and it's a blast to play but...

The real difficulties of the piece are all on the first page and if you get that done the rest is very manageable. The opening figure needs a very loose wrist and controlled fingers and the rising continuation in M3 needs flexibility with it.

Then there's M16-20. Compare M9-13 in the Moonlight Presto. The wrist rotates easily around the index finger but to get the thumb and index finger together you have to learn to rotate with the ring finger as the central axis or coordinate the thumb and index together, which is hard because the thumb doesn't actually play in the same direction. If you were pitting the thumb against any other two fingers it would be a simple tremolo.

The difficulty I have is that the opening figure can't be played slowly so it dictates the speed of the rest of the piece in practise and M16-20 can't be played fast without a long time working on the passage before hand. I find this a lot with Beethoven - even though I can play it from memory it has to be practised for a few weeks first. This doesn't happen with anything I've done from Chopin or Liszt. I think this may be why Beethoven is considered not to be 'pianistic'.

But hey, get page one done and the rest is a matter of time! smile
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#2166829 - 10/15/13 07:58 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Well I don't know what pianistic means but Beethoven sounds harder!
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#2166832 - 10/15/13 08:04 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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I have the impossible ( for now ) urge of playing op 110... I can read through the first movement quite well, the "minor" issue is that I can't take it emotionally... I have a lot of memories linked to this sonata and it's quite involving... :-\.. I'll start Woo80 as soon as I'm done with the Brahms piece, as preparation for the latest sonatas.... From playing this and that around, I have to admit that working on Bach, Beethoven and Brahms is enough for a lifetime of musical joy.
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#2166956 - 10/16/13 01:27 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Great thread smile I'm a big Beethoven Fan. I wanted to do the Jonathan Biss Class, but my (OLD) computer gets hung up on videos... another time.

One of the first pieces my teacher assigned when I restarted this year was the Op.49. no 1. I was thrilled it was a Sonata :), albeit one of the "easy ones. I know some folks think it's rather uninteresting but I enjoyed it.

I enjoy listening to his symphonies (The 9th is my all time favorite work-i'm Never tired of it). I also like the chamber works as well as the piano repertoire. I still have a lot of learn and appreciate though.. for me it takes MANY listenings of works to really enjoy/appreciate.. I think a sense of the familiar enhances my appreciation.

Some of pieces that are on my bucket list.

*Pathetique Sonata
*Variations on a Russian Dance-(I enjoy Alfred Brendel's recordings of the variations).
*Variations on God Save the King

oh..i'm a big fan of Gary Oldman so I love Immortal Beloved... another Fav film from his is The Professional---where, incidentally, his character listens to Beethoven as he goes on violent rampages.

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#2166978 - 10/16/13 02:56 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Cassiesmom]
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Originally Posted By: Cassiesmom
Great thread smile ---where, incidentally, his character listens to Beethoven as he goes on violent rampages.





As did Alex (Malcolm McDowall) in A Clockwork Orange.

The soundtrack of this movie might have been my first exposure to Beethoven some of which was performed on a synthesizer. This spurred my older brother to go and buy a complete box set of the symphonies which he treated like gold. So in our house it was not uncommon to hear Abba followed by Beethoven.
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#2167121 - 10/16/13 10:48 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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The Coursera class was really good. I had no idea just how revolutionary he was. I like how he is so capricious with form and it's comforting that he remains within the boundaries, at least to my ears. I consider his music 'classical' but then I've had the following centuries that have moulded my listening and I am no music scholar.

I started back at piano almost a year ago after several decades off. It has been very emotional to have to begin again. The Bagatelles have offered a wonderful re-entry point and technique is slowly coming back. Arthritis does slow me a bit and reaches sometimes not so easy but I'm loosening up. Next year I will peek cautiously at some of the sonatas. Sight reading is one thing, playing them another!

I have lots of recordings, Brendl, barrenboim, gould, and some others. I just have itunes play them randomly. It's a joy. I love the symphonies and the concertos. Anything with a piano in it. But I shall 'break out' and listen to some of his violin , and string quartet works as well!

As for the movies, must look at Immortal Beloved but Copying Beethoven was a mixed bag of reaction for me. I'm afraid the american accents threw me and credibility was challenged. I want to go read the biography referenced in coursera to get things straight in my head. Did she really conduct the 9th for him like that!

Anyway, it's all good stuff and I am so much more appreciative of his music having gained a little more understanding of both the music and of the society.
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#2167236 - 10/16/13 02:51 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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It is funny how our tastes and viewpoints can change over time.

Prior to starting my piano journey three or four years ago, my history with Beethhoven was probably limited to a few hearings of the 5th and 9th symphonies as a youngster in "music appreciation" class, a couple trips to the symphony every decade or so, occasional NPR encounters while driving, and whatever piece it is that got played in all those Bugs Bunny cartoons. smile

When I started piano I was listening to a lot of Chopin, so of course that is what I liked and wanted to eventually learn to play. Beethoven was loud banging versus the melodic Mr. C.

Thank goodness the piano and my teacher have led to exploring all kinds of music and composers in much greater depth than I ever would have imagined. And I can only guess how much more I have yet to comprehend. But one thing I can say for sure....and that is LvB is now one of my all time favorites. Sonata no.23 Op.57, "Appassionata" is currently the piece I tell my teacher I would be a happy man to have played just once before I take the big dirt nap. (Sorry Frederic C., I still want to play your Nocturnes too.) That time....playing not napping.....is probably a decade away, if ever, but there's a ton of great music between here and there, some of it by LvB himself, so I'm not really in a rush either. There's just so much great music to be played. Might as well enjoy it.
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#2167368 - 10/16/13 06:56 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Great posts folks- I hope you all do well in your studies of Beethoven! I am listening to Moonlight by candlelight- yes I can erad and type by it- and it is raining outside; earlier there was thunder- very atmospheric. My hair is standing on end and I have goosebumps. Moonlight is best listened to at night with a slightly spooky atmosphere...



Edited by EdwardianPiano (10/16/13 06:56 PM)
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#2167374 - 10/16/13 07:05 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Palmpirate]
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The Coursera class was really good. I had no idea just how revolutionary he was.


He knocked their socks off! Have you seen the docu drama with Paul Rhys- he is a charismatic exciting Beethoven ( well I think Beethoven was like that...)- plenty of scenes of him playing piano and people's mouths falling open!


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I started back at piano almost a year ago after several decades off. It has been very emotional to have to begin again. The Bagatelles have offered a wonderful re-entry point and technique is slowly coming back. Arthritis does slow me a bit and reaches sometimes not so easy but I'm loosening up. Next year I will peek cautiously at some of the sonatas. Sight reading is one thing, playing them another!


I am glad the Bagatelles are taking you on a new piano journey!




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As for the movies, must look at Immortal Beloved but Copying Beethoven was a mixed bag of reaction for me. I'm afraid the american accents threw me and credibility was challenged. I want to go read the biography referenced in coursera to get things straight in my head. Did she really conduct the 9th for him like that!



The female copyist was fictional.The character herself was interesting but the scenes of her correcting his "mistakes" and conducting were daft. I thought Ed Harris wasn't bad as Beethoven- he did capture the eccentricities of his later years and was very funny and moving at times.

Here is the Paul Rhys one ( it is in 3 parts):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YueD9vB51hk


When you have seen all 3 portrayals I'd be interested to see who you found the most authentic, realistic Beethoven!


Edited by EdwardianPiano (10/16/13 07:05 PM)
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#2167782 - 10/17/13 04:48 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Beethoven is my favorite classical composer.

This year I learned op.10/1.
In my core repertoire, I loosely maintain op.27/2 (Moonlight), op.13 (Pathétique) and op.31/2 (Tempest).

Other Beethoven pieces I play more or less well: Für Elise, third movement of op.57 (Appassionata), and sometimes orchestral pieces.

My favorite piano concerto of his is the first (op.15, C major). As for the symphonies, 7 is probably my favorite, with 5, 8 and 3 also great.
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#2167798 - 10/17/13 05:39 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Sounds like you are doing well there Pat!
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#2167803 - 10/17/13 05:45 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: patH]
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Originally Posted By: patH
Beethoven is my favorite classical composer.

This year I learned op.10/1.
In my core repertoire, I loosely maintain op.27/2 (Moonlight), op.13 (Pathétique) and op.31/2 (Tempest).

Other Beethoven pieces I play more or less well: Für Elise does this really belong in this list?, third movement of op.57 (Appassionata), and sometimes orchestral pieces. How do you play those on the piano?

My favorite piano concerto of his is the first (op.15, C major). This I can't understand. Over the 4th and 5th?? crazyAs for the symphonies, 7 is probably my favorite, with 5, 8 and 3 also great. And no 9th?
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#2167983 - 10/18/13 04:40 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Polyphonist]
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Für Elise does this really belong in this list?

Definitely. It's not too challenging technically, but musically. And it's fun to play.

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and sometimes orchestral pieces. How do you play those on the piano?

By ear. I retain the melodies, the core harmonies, and try to play it so it sounds ok. Examples: 1st movement of 7th symphony; Egmont overture; violin concerto.

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My favorite piano concerto of his is the first (op.15, C major). This I can't understand. Over the 4th and 5th?? crazy

Yes. In fact, the 4th and 5th are my least favorite piano concertos of his. I don't think they're bad; I just don't care much for them.

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As for the symphonies, 7 is probably my favorite, with 5, 8 and 3 also great. And no 9th?

A few weeks ago, there was a thread about ranking Beethoven's symphonies. My reply was: 7 5 8 3 9 1 6 4 2.
So 9 is just around the corner. grin
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#2168010 - 10/18/13 07:32 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: patH]
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Originally Posted By: patH
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and sometimes orchestral pieces. How do you play those on the piano?

By ear. I retain the melodies, the core harmonies, and try to play it so it sounds ok. Examples: 1st movement of 7th symphony; Egmont overture; violin concerto.

Why not learn an actual transcription?

Originally Posted By: patH
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My favorite piano concerto of his is the first (op.15, C major). This I can't understand. Over the 4th and 5th?? crazy

Yes. In fact, the 4th and 5th are my least favorite piano concertos of his. I don't think they're bad; I just don't care much for them.

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#2168200 - 10/18/13 04:29 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Why not learn an actual transcription?

Why bother? Even a good transcription usually doesn't sound as good as the orchestral version. At least to me. So the benefit of having just a slightly better version is not really worth the effort of learning something by score instead of by ear.
And when I play pop music, I almost always play by ear. When the harmonies are not too difficult, it's easier for me than sight playing.
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#2168205 - 10/18/13 04:44 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Pat I understand you- I think it is an achievement that you play some Beethoven by ear! I have just started pianoforall tonight and am pleased with it so far.Robin's method is chords based with some notation.
I recieved a book about Ludwig and Josephine Brunswick this morning from Amazon.I feel so sorry for them that they could not get married. The stress of it made Josephine ill.
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#2168458 - 10/19/13 11:15 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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This is a great thread and one that was long overdue.

For those of you who subscribe to Netflix Instant Streaming there is a great documentary on Beethoven entitled "Searching for Beethoven". I have watched it 2x and learned quite a lot about the man and his music.

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#2168514 - 10/19/13 01:11 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Beethoven batting list
(all comparatively easy for beginners)

Fur Elise (for learning arpeggios - like a harp)
Minuet in G (charming ... and only three pages)
(became the theme for the sitcom Fawlty Towers!)
Pathetique Sonata Opus 13 (soulful)
Moonlight Sonata Opus 27, no. 2 (easy opening 2 measures)
Les Adieu Opus 81a (sheer poetry)

kind regards, btb ... I've been there! (and back)

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#2168579 - 10/19/13 04:18 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: btb]
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Originally Posted By: btb
(all comparatively easy for beginners)

Pathetique Sonata Opus 13
Moonlight Sonata Opus 27, no. 2
Les Adieu Opus 81a

Is this a joke? All of these are quite difficult, and the 81a is extremely so. None are suitable for any beginner or intermediate pianist.
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#2168587 - 10/19/13 04:42 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: patH]
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"And when I play pop music, I almost always play by ear. When the harmonies are not too difficult, it's easier for me than sight playing."

must agree;I find pop music more complex than classical. Like, the melody is so all over the place . . .these female singers!
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#2168592 - 10/19/13 04:49 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Polyphonist]
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Is this a joke? All of these are quite difficult, and the 81a is extremely so. None are suitable for any beginner or intermediate pianist.

Thanks, Polyphonist.

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#2168593 - 10/19/13 04:50 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Great thread! I love Beethoven. And when life gets hard, I seem to want to immerse myself in his piano sonatas. Right now I’m trying to memorize the 3rd movement of the Moonlight sonata (27/2), which is way out of my league but I’m having loads of fun working on it. I’ve also been listening a lot to the 3rd movement of the Op. 109 Sonata. It’s way too difficult for me to play, but I’ve printed off the first page with the theme and first variation. They are beautiful and slow, and I like to try to play through them.

Here are two books I enjoyed about Beethoven (I already mentioned them previously on this site, but might as well list them here in this thread!) They were written by actual friends of Beethoven, and because of this I think they are real treasures:

Memories of Beethoven: From the House of the Black-Robed Spaniards by Gerhard von Breuning (the personal notes of a man who was close to Beethoven as a child)

Beethoven Remembered: The Biographical Notes of Franz Wegeler and Ferdinand Ries by Wegeler and Ries (recollections of Beethoven by his long-time friends)

Not sure which of Beethoven’s pieces would be accessible to beginners. But we had a list of his sonata movements suitable for intermediate players in this thread:

http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2149034/1.html

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#2168666 - 10/19/13 08:18 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Some of the pieces that are achievable for "late beginners" there are the ecossaises.
I think I did learn the WoO 83 when I was in single digit age laugh... good times :-)

this one just to be clear... I love it. :-)
http://conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks...isen_WoO_83.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOlLDhcU0pE

there are section quite tricky for beginners ( double thirds and double sixts.. but being in small burst is a good introduction to that technique ).

after writing about it I feel a massive urge to put it under the fingers again! back to practice.
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#2168694 - 10/19/13 09:41 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Valencia]
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Great thread! I love Beethoven. And when life gets hard, I seem to want to immerse myself in his piano sonatas.


He'd love that Valencia- he had such a difficult life and sought to bring comfort to everyone with his music. Did you know he sued to play for friends if they were ill or upset? I LOVE his sonatas- they are my favourite music of his and in fact of all music I have heard.


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Right now I’m trying to memorize the 3rd movement of the Moonlight sonata (27/2), which is way out of my league but I’m having loads of fun working on it.


Good for you! smile

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I’ve also been listening a lot to the 3rd movement of the Op. 109 Sonata. It’s way too difficult for me to play, but I’ve printed off the first page with the theme and first variation. They are beautiful and slow, and I like to try to play through them.



Oh those variations- they are so sublime they make me euphoric listening to them.



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Here are two books I enjoyed about Beethoven (I already mentioned them previously on this site, but might as well list them here in this thread!) They were written by actual friends of Beethoven, and because of this I think they are real treasures:

Memories of Beethoven: From the House of the Black-Robed Spaniards by Gerhard von Breuning (the personal notes of a man who was close to Beethoven as a child)

Beethoven Remembered: The Biographical Notes of Franz Wegeler and Ferdinand Ries by Wegeler and Ries (recollections of Beethoven by his long-time friends)



I haven't read those but I expect some of these will be in a book I have called Beethoven, Impressions by his Contemporaries.
They reveal a fascinating, kind person despite the plate throwing lol.

I'm reading a book by John Klapporth about Ludwig and Josephine Brunsvik -the lady who I am sure was the Eternal Beloved. It is very tragic- she eventually died of a broken heart because her mother would not let her marry Ludwig. cry
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#2168695 - 10/19/13 09:45 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Ataru074]
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Originally Posted By: Ataru074
Some of the pieces that are achievable for "late beginners" there are the ecossaises.
I think I did learn the WoO 83 when I was in single digit age laugh... good times :-)

this one just to be clear... I love it. :-)
http://conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks...isen_WoO_83.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOlLDhcU0pE

there are section quite tricky for beginners ( double thirds and double sixts.. but being in small burst is a good introduction to that technique ).

after writing about it I feel a massive urge to put it under the fingers again! back to practice.


I must listen to them- I am quite excited Ataru, as although I have liked Beethoven's music for about 4 years, it is only recently, since doing the Coursera course about his sonatas that I have come to fully appreciate his genius and now love his music more than anyone's! I have so much to discover of his music- he wrote loads of it! Life without Beethoven would be no life at all.
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#2168797 - 10/20/13 06:54 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
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Don’t dumb down chaps ... even if “skeerdy cats”
(thank you for that Mark Twain) ...
Michael 99 and Polyphonist have ducked for cover
on my suggestions ...

Fur Elise (for learning arpeggios - like a harp)
Minuet in G (charming ... and only three pages)
(became the theme for the sitcom Fawlty Towers!)
Pathetique Sonata Opus 13 (soulful)
Moonlight Sonata Opus 27, no. 2 (easy opening 2 measures)
Les Adieu Opus 81a (sheer poetry)

Fur Elise is 70% a piece of cake learning arpeggios ,,,
the 2 tricky internal bits can be left till later.
For the rest, a slow and dedicated application, will pay off
in confidence gained ... with Beethoven masterpieces in your
current repertoire.


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#2168813 - 10/20/13 07:53 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: EdwardianPiano]
Steve Warner Offline
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Registered: 09/18/13
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Loc: New York, New York
I always recommend the first movement of Fur Elise for beginners. It's not too hard to learn and it sounds beautiful. Here is a video of me playing the whole piece:



And here is my first video lesson of Fur Elise:



My first 3 lessons cover the first movement.

All 11 lessons can be found on the lessons page of my website: http://www.pianoonlinemusic.com/lessons/

I hope some of you take advantage of this (everything is free).


Edited by Steve Warner (10/20/13 07:53 AM)

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#2168884 - 10/20/13 11:13 AM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: btb]
EdwardianPiano Offline
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Registered: 07/29/11
Posts: 752
Loc: Liverpool, England
Quote:
Minuet in G (charming ... and only three pages)
(became the theme for the sitcom Fawlty Towers!)


I wish you hadn't told me that- I went on you tube and typed in the minuet, I will now have trouble listening to this minuet seriously.... laugh
I wonder if John Cleese was aware of Dennis Wilson being inspired by Beethoven to write the theme music? Basil Fawlty had this weird German obsession.
And his hotel is as bad as the ones Beethoven was unfortunate to get served in. Imagine Ludwig meeting Basil!!! And Manuel would have had to duck had Beethoven patronised Fawlty Towers!



Quote:
Fur Elise is 70% a piece of cake learning arpeggios ,,,
the 2 tricky internal bits can be left till later.
For the rest, a slow and dedicated application, will pay off
in confidence gained ... with Beethoven masterpieces in your
current repertoire.


When one is a plonky fumbly fingered beginner nothing is a piece of cake... blush


Edited by EdwardianPiano (10/20/13 11:15 AM)
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#2168979 - 10/20/13 03:03 PM Re: The Love Ludwig van Beethoven thread [Re: Steve Warner]
EdwardianPiano Offline
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Registered: 07/29/11
Posts: 752
Loc: Liverpool, England
Originally Posted By: Steve Warner
I always recommend the first movement of Fur Elise for beginners. It's not too hard to learn and it sounds beautiful. Here is a video of me playing the whole piece:



And here is my first video lesson of Fur Elise:



My first 3 lessons cover the first movement.

All 11 lessons can be found on the lessons page of my website: http://www.pianoonlinemusic.com/lessons/

I hope some of you take advantage of this (everything is free).


Steve- I have just completed your first tutorial! I found the Fur Elise sheet music from one of my books and was looking at it on my lap to refer to as watched the video. I paused at each bit and played it on my old Cecil. I found the E- E stretch a bit far at first ( got very little hands) but as kept on with it my hand seemed to flex more.I even did the pedalling! Thanks I shall keep practising it and then go to the next tutorial. i really LOVED that.
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"He who divines the secret of my music is delivered from the misery that haunts the world."


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