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#2145292 - 09/06/13 01:45 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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€ 1090 (including tax?) ; what happened ? The last time I looked it was around € 1333 at least...

Congrats on your purchase by the way. At this price it's even more a no brainer than it was. You'll certainly like it .

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#2145293 - 09/06/13 01:47 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Discount price too??

Congrats! I'm sure you will enjoy it!
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#2148758 - 09/12/13 12:54 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Vid]
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just went on sweetwater this morning seem like they got vpc1 in stock in case if anyone in U.S wants one.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VPC1

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#2148935 - 09/12/13 05:14 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Thanks to the production increases, I believe most if not all of the back-orders have been filled, so stores should have stock available for immediate purchase.

James
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#2157282 - 09/25/13 07:30 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Kawai James]
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I emailed Kawai Australia about VPC-1 availability. They said:

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I'm afraid that we are not planning to release the VPC1 in Australia, because the demand here has been very low. On the other hand, I would recommend that you consider the MP10 - it is essentially the same board, with the addition of a very powerful sound engine, audio inputs and outputs, pitch bend/mod wheel - and it's only a few hundred dollars more than the VPC1 would have been (RRP was estimated at AUS$2,895 [(US$2700)] )


The cheapest street price for an MP10 I have found is AUS$3150 (US$2950). The VPC-1 street price would probably mid $2K.

Can anyone offer advice on those of us in Australia lusting after the VPC-1? (or a cheaper MP10?)

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#2157327 - 09/25/13 09:05 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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@Rapmaninov

If they are not going to release the VPC , the high end MP is indeed the most similar board. However , the MP10 has the somewhat older RM keybed without a third sensor. Also the extended touch curves and touch curve editor are not available for the MP10. If you're not in a hurry, I'd sit this one out and wait for the next generation of MP boards somewhere in the future. Otherwise a CA-15 cabinet piano has the same keybed as the VPC1. So if that is available in Australia, it could be an alternative. Again without dedicated touchcurves for software piano's , which is a VPC specific feature, but with added bonus of build-in speakers and internal sounds.

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#2157333 - 09/25/13 09:17 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Rapmaninov, as you have found, Kawai Australia opted not to introduce the VPC1. It's a regrettable decision, however I have to accept my colleague's stance.

Unfortunately, there are no official (i.e. supported) methods for consumers in Australasia to purchase the VPC1.

Kind regards,
James
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#2157337 - 09/25/13 09:23 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Thomann will ship to Australia for a flat rate of €50. They are selling the vpc1 for €1325 so the total to Australia would be €1375, 1857.35 US dollars, which according to my calculator is 1983.50 Australian dollars.

It is 29.5kg which is just within the 30kg limit for this cheap fifty euro flat shipping rate....sounds like a very good deal to me.
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#2157338 - 09/25/13 09:28 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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This is indeed possible. However, purchasing from Europe is undoubtedly an 'unofficial' purchasing method.

If the instrument is damaged on arrival, Kawai Australia is not obliged to offer repair, servicing, or any other form of technical support.

Kind regards,
James
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#2157344 - 09/25/13 09:39 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Kawai Australia kind of stinks. Sorry, man. They are also presumably the ones who set the price points. If it makes you feel better I've got some complaints about Kawai US as well (no CA-15 or CA-13, for example).

Unfortunately the autonomy/flexibility given these distributors/subsidiaries hurts the end user, but there's nothing we can do about it.


Edited by gvfarns (09/25/13 09:40 AM)

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#2157445 - 09/25/13 12:59 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Anyone has an update on availability of the VPC1 in Canada?

Edit: I like to try out first!


Edited by doremi (09/25/13 01:26 PM)
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#2157541 - 09/25/13 04:25 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: gvfarns]
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Thanks JFP, James, gvfarns, and toddy - great pointer thank you.

I am so up for that, but Thomann is out of stock until November and I can't wait that long.

It's certainly pushing brand loyalty. Kawai probably makes the VPC1's just north of here in Indonesia but to get one it has to go on a trip round the world.

I've set my heart on a Kawai until now as my sister has one of their beautiful acoustic grands, but what's with this Australian "sucker born every minute" pricing? If the ES7 can be on par with the US and Europe why does the rest of the range attract a 50% loading?

Here's my theory, for what it's worth. Kawai Australia's business model is set up to distribute high value, low turnover, very heavy APs imported in bulk by container ship and which spend years depreciating in dealerships before they are sold. The lighter DPs/portables parasitise AP sales. To keep the slow moving APs in stores the DPs must cross-subsidise them. DPs could be imported by air individually without great expense from a single just-in-time plant, but the AP business would wither. The amount of cross-subsidy is dependent on the demand for APs. Australia is a small AP market requiring higher subsidy. So the company does everything it can to stop customers in highly subsidised markets from importing a keyboard from a lower one. The solution ought to be that APs are priced to reflect the cost of their capital sitting around in a warehouse, or to reduce inventories and put up with months-long delivery times from the factory.


Edited by Rapmaninov (09/25/13 04:42 PM)

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#2157634 - 09/25/13 07:22 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: doremi]
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Originally Posted By: doremi
Anyone has an update on availability of the VPC1 in Canada?

Edit: I like to try out first!


The Canadian market is served by Kawai America, so it should be possible to purchase this model. However, I'm afraid I do not know if dealers will have the board available to play-test on the shop floor - it's a specialist product that requires additional hardware and software in order to demo effectively.

My recommendation would be to contact Kawai America in order to double-check the VPC1 pricing and availability in Canada.

Kind regards,
James
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#2157652 - 09/25/13 08:13 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: doremi]
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Originally Posted By: doremi
Anyone has an update on availability of the VPC1 in Canada?

Edit: I like to try out first!


What Kawai James said - I don't think you will find a store that will setup a demo. The one chain in Vancouver that sells Kawai digitals never got back to me as to whether they are going to carry the VPC1. My guess is that they will probably never carry them.

I ordered from Streetwater to get mine. That will probably be your best bet but not the solution if you want to try it first.
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#2166100 - 10/14/13 01:52 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Well, I finally did it. I ordered the VPC1 and at a 15% discount. But I'm not ecstatic about it. Why not? I still doubt the VCP1's availability and that I will see one for at least another three months. Why?

I did it through Guitar Center and on the day I saw the ad at their site it read "available October 11." When the store manager looked it up at the store, his system said "available October 18" and, in red, "1". He informed me that this one wasn't certain to have my name on it, as someone might have done a transaction before mine and I wouldn't know until the 18th when I would get an email from GC,if and only if, I was the lucky recipient.

If I didn't get the email, I'd have to come in and talk to them about the status of the next shipment from Kawai. "It could be 2 weeks, it could be 6 months." In the meantime, my money would be frozen but I would be assured the discount whenever it came. Or I could cancel the order any time and have my money unfrozen.

I'm pretty sure I didn't win the lottery, and I've been checking GC's vcp1 ad every day and every day the date moves up by one day for when the new supply can be expected.

Any ideas, Kawai James, as to what's going on at GC and what I should expect?

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#2166277 - 10/14/13 07:30 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Starr Keys]
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Originally Posted By: Starr Keys
Any ideas, Kawai James, as to what's going on at GC and what I should expect?


Starr Keys, I'm afraid I don't have a great deal of information regarding instrument availability in the US. After double-check with Guitar Centre staff, the best people to ask would be Kawai America directly, via the following means:

http://kawaius.com/nav_links/contacts2010.html

Kind regards,
James
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#2166631 - 10/15/13 11:33 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Rapmaninov]
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Originally Posted By: Rapmaninov

I've set my heart on a Kawai until now as my sister has one of their beautiful acoustic grands, but what's with this Australian "sucker born every minute" pricing? If the ES7 can be on par with the US and Europe why does the rest of the range attract a 50% loading?

Here's my theory, for what it's worth. Kawai Australia's business model is set up to distribute high value, low turnover, very heavy APs imported in bulk by container ship and which spend years depreciating in dealerships before they are sold. The lighter DPs/portables parasitise AP sales. To keep the slow moving APs in stores the DPs must cross-subsidise them. DPs could be imported by air individually without great expense from a single just-in-time plant, but the AP business would wither. The amount of cross-subsidy is dependent on the demand for APs. Australia is a small AP market requiring higher subsidy. So the company does everything it can to stop customers in highly subsidised markets from importing a keyboard from a lower one. The solution ought to be that APs are priced to reflect the cost of their capital sitting around in a warehouse, or to reduce inventories and put up with months-long delivery times from the factory.


The Australian "sucker born every minute" pricing is prevalent across all retail products, not just pianos, but yeah, it's obscene how we have the highest prices anywhere in the world. If they offer even Japanese retail prices + shipping for ANY product in the range, with the proviso we have to wait for it to be delivered in the next shipment, I will gladly wait.

Don't get me wrong, I reckon Kawai Japan make some of the best pianos, DP and AP, I'm just not at all impressed with Kawai Australia. Personally, if I can save thousands of dollars by importing, even after paying for freight and insurance and GST, I can afford to pay for any problems that may crop up (especially given that Kawai products are usually of great quality from the factory anyway). And as some other forum members can attest, it's not like Kawai Australia bend over backwards to deal with warranty issues anyway (in fact quite the contrary).

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#2166640 - 10/15/13 11:56 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: Starr Keys
Any ideas, Kawai James, as to what's going on at GC and what I should expect?


Starr Keys, I'm afraid I don't have a great deal of information regarding instrument availability in the US. After double-check with Guitar Centre staff, the best people to ask would be Kawai America directly, via the following means:

http://kawaius.com/nav_links/contacts2010.html


Thanks, James, I will, but after reading the last post, waiting a few months at the price GC is offering doesn't seem quite as bad. It's their deceptive advertising that bothers me. I checked their ad again this morning -- sure enough, the availability date has moved up another day. They must have an automatic timer set on it.

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#2166679 - 10/15/13 01:57 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Starr Keys]
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Hello
I have just received a notification email from sweetwater saying that the VPC1 is now available (I was looking for availability before I got mine 2 weeks ago but in Europe)
Hope GC will also get some as probably a batch has arrived in US.
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#2166860 - 10/15/13 09:13 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Hello
I have just received a notification email from sweetwater saying that the VPC1 is now available (I was looking for availability before I got mine 2 weeks ago but in Europe)
Hope GC will also get some as probably a batch has arrived in US.


Thanks, enzo. I appreciate the heads up and good wishes. I hope you are enjoying your new VPC.

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#2168229 - 10/18/13 05:50 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Hi all,

I am a new user to this forum, but have been following comments on the Kawai VPC1 since some time.

Thanks to all for their contributions, and thanks to Kawai for their effort in developing this very sober and minimalistic master keyboard. It seemed to be exactly what I have been looking for, and probably si very close.

I am living in Europe and had made good experience with the mail order store Thomann before. They have excellent service and respond quickly to mails.

To make a long story short, I had a VPC1 on order at Thomann since about 6 weeks and was very happy to receive a notification that mine was shipped two days ago. Today I received it, two weeks in advance with respect to their pessimistic availability estimation of 30/10.

Unfortunately its seems to have been damaged in transit. Only half of the keys (half:distributed in a weird pattern) is working, both over USB and MIDI. Only later did I notice, that the front panel below the keyboard has some traces of an impact, even though the box was in rather acceptable state. I want to believe that this is bad luck, unfortunately its my unit - lets hope that we can get this sorted quickly with Thomann and that I can get hands on a working unit soon!

However, the main reason why I registered, and why I am posting here is some observation on the keyboard itself:

As expected, the unit looks great.

The white keys look nice, the touch feels great, even though a little stickier than real ivory, and even though the wood below seems to be of fairly low density, course grain and a with a finish a little on the rough side. But the touch is very real. There is something that is hard to describe about wooden keys. The distributed mass. The full feel. The good absorption of high frequency components, like a fingernail hitting the keytop. And the way the acceleration is transmitted. And the pin pivots with bushings, instead of the rotary pivots on more common digital pianos. Despite the reportedly short key-length or key- lever, the white keys feel very real. I think I will like it.

This is however in extreme contrast to the sharp keys. The sharp keys have a rough matte appearance instead of a satin finish or dull polished finish as on more modern instruments that immediately struck my eyes. It appears that the sharp keys have plastic keytops. Why? They feel hollow, like on average digital pianos. They do not have the distinguished feel and connectedness that I immediately perceived on the white keys. High frequency components resulting from fingers sliding on the keys or fingernails hitting the black keys are immediately heard and felt. Its still like on any good digital piano, but spoils the overall feel. Yet what is really close to annoying is the fair finish of the transition of the plastic keytops to the wooden key lever below. They are flush on the left and have a rough transition on the right. Its easily felt when depressing the white key in between two sharp keys. Why? Even worse is the alignment of the front of the plastic keytops on the sharp keys. Its just a question of manufacture and quality control with a given design and materials. I hope the fair finish is not the consequence of the apparently unexpected success and demand of this keyboard...? In addition, the sharp keys feel a little on the slim side, but I am by no means an expert. Its to a point, that if I had a working unit - I would consider to re-cap the sharp keys with wood or more decent plastic keytops, if there is any chance to get the mass balance and the regulation of the action right, and if they turn out to be of standard dimension!

So there is a little disappointment of the black keys, that I wanted to share as it was so striking to me. I would really appreciate if Kawai James could comment.

In contrast to others, I found the music stand to be of great design and in good position even though well too small and I would prefer a flat instead of a concave bottom rest.

Three pedals! And they squeal! Not that this is good, but many very fine acoustic grands do that....

Well these are my first impressions, in the meanwhile I hope for a comment by Kawai James and fast replacement by Thomann and many happy hours with the VPC1. I really want to love it.

Best regards,

my88keys

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#2168294 - 10/18/13 10:51 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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my88keys, I'm sorry to hear that your VPC1 arrived in damaged condition. I hope you can receive a replacement from Thomann as soon as possible.

Regarding your queries, it is difficult for me to comment as my responsibilities at Kawai are limited to owner's manual creation (although not the VPC1 manual, as it happened) and international marketing.

The vast majority of VPC1 owners find it to be the highest quality and most realistic keyboard action they have ever played in a controller instrument. I am confident that you will have the same opinion upon receiving your undamaged replacement from Thomann.

Best of luck!

James
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#2168324 - 10/19/13 01:27 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Originally Posted By: my88Keys
the white keys feel very real. I think I will like it.

This is however in extreme contrast to the sharp keys. The sharp keys have a rough matte appearance instead of a satin finish or dull polished finish as on more modern instruments that immediately struck my eyes. It appears that the sharp keys have plastic keytops. Why? They feel hollow, like on average digital pianos. They do not have the distinguished feel and connectedness that I immediately perceived on the white keys. High frequency components resulting from fingers sliding on the keys or fingernails hitting the black keys are immediately heard and felt. Its still like on any good digital piano, but spoils the overall feel. Yet what is really close to annoying is the fair finish of the transition of the plastic keytops to the wooden key lever below. They are flush on the left and have a rough transition on the right. Its easily felt when depressing the white key in between two sharp keys. Why? Even worse is the alignment of the front of the plastic keytops on the sharp keys. Its just a question of manufacture and quality control with a given design and materials. I hope the fair finish is not the consequence of the apparently unexpected success and demand of this keyboard...?


Thank you my88Keys. I had the same worry about them cutting corners to keep up with demand. If it makes you feel any better, I remember some of the recipients of the first batch (before they ran out in the Us and Europe) talked about the black keys being rough at first but then smoothing out after a short period of use. But I don't recall them discussing the difference in the sides or mentioning the problematic alignment at the front. If any of the owners who placed early orders(Vid, I believe is one) read our posts, I hope they will respond and allay our fears (or, if need be, confirm them).

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#2168327 - 10/19/13 01:33 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: my88keys]
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Originally Posted By: my88keys

The white keys look nice, the touch feels great, even though a little stickier than real ivory, and even though the wood below seems to be of fairly low density, course grain and a with a finish a little on the rough side.

I would think the low density would be an advantage, as long as rigidity wasn't compromised. You mention rough finish. I find on my unit that the sides of the white keys are a little rough, i.e., not sanded to a furniture finish, though I don't see it as affecting anything. As to coarse grain, the keys seem to be of a plywood consisting of 16 very regular layers of wood laminated together. Maybe you are mistaking the layers for wood grain.
Originally Posted By: my88keys

This is however in extreme contrast to the sharp keys. The sharp keys have a rough matte appearance instead of a satin finish or dull polished finish as on more modern instruments that immediately struck my eyes.

I'm not a skilled player, but my experience is that the roughness of the black keys has helped keep my fingers stable on them.
Originally Posted By: my88keys

It appears that the sharp keys have plastic keytops. Why?

Maybe so the wooden part of the black keys would have the same height dimension as that of the white keys, and not require another 12 layers or so of lamination, just to have most of it machined off from the rear of the key. There might also be a risk that those top laminations under the plastic keycap could break off. Just a guess.
Originally Posted By: my88keys

Yet what is really close to annoying is the fair finish of the transition of the plastic keytops to the wooden key lever below. They are flush on the left and have a rough transition on the right. Its easily felt when depressing the white key in between two sharp keys. Why? Even worse is the alignment of the front of the plastic keytops on the sharp keys.

I don't understand the term "fair finish". Do you mean, "not perfect finish"? As to the front of the black keytops, those on my unit seem to be aligned perfectly. Maybe the unevenness you see is the result of the damage that has your unit not working right.

In any case, too bad about getting a bad one. I hope you get your replacement soon!
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#2168360 - 10/19/13 05:18 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: joflah]
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Originally Posted By: joflah

I would think the low density would be an advantage, as long as rigidity wasn't compromised. You mention rough finish. I find on my unit that the sides of the white keys are a little rough, i.e., not sanded to a furniture finish, though I don't see it as affecting anything. As to coarse grain, the keys seem to be of a plywood consisting of 16 very regular layers of wood laminated together. Maybe you are mistaking the layers for wood grain.


Well spotted! There I was thinking Kawai had sourced a tree famous for its perfectly even grain but it's ply! At least this guarantees stability and they can still call it wood.

Originally Posted By: joflah
Originally Posted By: my88keys

This is however in extreme contrast to the sharp keys. The sharp keys have a rough matte appearance instead of a satin finish or dull polished finish as on more modern instruments that immediately struck my eyes.

I'm not a skilled player, but my experience is that the roughness of the black keys has helped keep my fingers stable on them.


Is the idea here to simulate ivory and a grainier woodier finish for a fake ebony on the black keys? Both finishes work well to my eyes and fingers.

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It appears that the sharp keys have plastic keytops. Why?

Maybe so the wooden part of the black keys would have the same height dimension as that of the white keys, and not require another 12 layers or so of lamination, just to have most of it machined off from the rear of the key. There might also be a risk that those top laminations under the plastic keycap could break off. Just a guess.


My upright has the same scheme - the entire top of the black key is plastic, just like the vpc1.

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Yet what is really close to annoying is the fair finish of the transition of the plastic keytops to the wooden key lever below. They are flush on the left and have a rough transition on the right. Its easily felt when depressing the white key in between two sharp keys. Why? Even worse is the alignment of the front of the plastic keytops on the sharp keys.

I don't understand the term "fair finish". Do you mean, "not perfect finish"? As to the front of the black keytops, those on my unit seem to be aligned perfectly. Maybe the unevenness you see is the result of the damage that has your unit not working right.


It appears there's a QC issue, maybe some corner-cutting on the production line with the final sanding. My unit is cosmetically well finished, no hairy grain. I'd certainly be troubled by the asymmetry on my88's black key-tops - that's bad news.

Come on Kawai! You've got a nice instrument in the VPC1 - pull your socks up!!

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#2168372 - 10/19/13 06:13 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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It appears there's a QC issue, maybe some corner-cutting on the production line with the final sanding. My unit is cosmetically well finished, no hairy grain. I'd certainly be troubled by the asymmetry on my88's black key-tops - that's bad news.

Come on Kawai! You've got a nice instrument in the VPC1 - pull your socks up!!


Thanks Joflah and dire tonic for your responses. If I find these flaws in my unit (if I ever get it), at least having purchased it from GC I can return it without charge to a nearby store. I advise others to make sure they can do the same.

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#2168586 - 10/19/13 04:39 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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I didn't and still don't notice any such flaws on my unit. The black keys are obviously wood and if there is a plastic cap on them I sure can't tell. It looks to me like the whole key is one piece of wood and that's it.

Sorry that your experience has been marred by these problems. I wonder if the problem stems from a rush to fill orders?
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#2168601 - 10/19/13 05:10 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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My VPC1 works flawlessly ever since I got it, no issues with keys etc.

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#2168898 - 10/20/13 11:30 AM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: Eggman]
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Oh they're teasing me! Those SOB's at Sweetwater. They say: "It's in Stock!" "Available for immediate delivery!"
Grumble....Grumble...Grumble...
"Due to special circumstances. This item does not qualify for free delivery."

What might those special circumstances be?
Shipping straight from Kawai?

So the amount they marked it down covers the delivery?
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#2168920 - 10/20/13 12:43 PM Re: Kawai VPC-1 availability [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
Oh they're teasing me! Those SOB's at Sweetwater. They say: "It's in Stock!" "Available for immediate delivery!"
Grumble....Grumble...Grumble...
"Due to special circumstances. This item does not qualify for free delivery."

What might those special circumstances be?
Shipping straight from Kawai?

So the amount they marked it down covers the delivery?


"Special circumstances" - it's VERY heavy!

So, you're softening yourself up for one of these, eh, Ron?

But think about it, with a VPC1, stick a cigar in your mouth and you'll be flying through Joplin's Entertainer, hands ablur.

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