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#2257049 - 04/05/14 05:54 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
nd73 Offline
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AP-245 bought for £479. Delivery early next week.

Thanks for the advice.

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#2257057 - 04/05/14 06:59 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: nd73]
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Originally Posted By: nd73
AP-245 bought for £479. Delivery early next week.

Thanks for the advice.

I'd be interested in your thoughts once you've got it and had time to use it.

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#2270103 - 05/02/14 10:05 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Lester Burnham]
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Originally Posted By: Lester Burnham
Originally Posted By: nd73
AP-245 bought for £479. Delivery early next week.

Thanks for the advice.

I'd be interested in your thoughts once you've got it and had time to use it.


A few weeks of ownership under the belt so time for a report.

AP-245 bought from Musicroom.com but at their Hatfield store. Price matched to UK Pianos and got a small discount on a stool. Good service in store, offered free delivery but I decided to collect the following day.

Got the machine home and was easy to assemble despite it being a bit heavier than I expected.

My daughter (beginner level) and wife (returning to playing after a gap of many years) have had most use of it. They've found it good to play with a decent weight to the keys and a good tone. I've played it a bit and was impressed with how it felt. Undoubtedly there are better DPs available but I think it's a good DP considering the price and more than adequate for our needs.

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#2270789 - 05/04/14 01:06 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Can anyone confirm the weight of the Yamaha P-105 as 26 lbs? Amazon has one seller saying it is 26 lbs, and another seller saying it is 36 lbs. An extra 10 lbs is a deal breaker. I need something to practice on while my upright is being worked on (by me), and it will be in and out of a closet, so a heavy bulky unit is not a good idea. Seventy six key models would work well, but I hear the feel of the key action is terrible.
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#2270796 - 05/04/14 01:33 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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I think 26 lbs is right. It's a lightweight board, comparable to PX-150 in weight. Maybe one of them is quoting shipping weight, rather than net weight?

You could check the Yamaha website -- www.yamaha.com -- no guessing, then.

. Charles

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#2271424 - 05/05/14 12:36 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Thank you. Yes, it is 26 lbs. It looks like 36 pounds is the typical shipping weight, but it is interesting that one seller has it at 36 lbs, and then also gives a shipping weight that is much higher yet, 63 lbs. I see one that says the keyboard is 10 lbs. Don't ever depend on Amazon to give you accurate info, if any info.
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Tuneless = Don't play piano(yet) and couldn't tune a guitar, much less a piano.
I'm technically very capable. I love my piano and love tinkering with it.

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#2271632 - 05/05/14 09:47 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Tuneless]
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Originally Posted By: Tuneless
Thank you. Yes, it is 26 lbs. It looks like 36 pounds is the typical shipping weight, but it is interesting that one seller has it at 36 lbs, and then also gives a shipping weight that is much higher yet, 63 lbs. I see one that says the keyboard is 10 lbs. Don't ever depend on Amazon to give you accurate info, if any info.


It's probably 63lb w/ the wood stand.

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#2271668 - 05/05/14 11:54 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Which means this seller really doesn't know what he is doing, as he is offering only the basic keyboard, at a basic keyboard price. ???
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Tuneless = Don't play piano(yet) and couldn't tune a guitar, much less a piano.
I'm technically very capable. I love my piano and love tinkering with it.

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#2273195 - 05/09/14 10:18 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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As I said in another thread, I got the ES100 this week and the key action is everything Daniel says..but the volume of the built-in speakers seems awfully weak. I could really crank the volume on my old Roland EP6 and my new Yamaha NP31. I think there should always be the option of too-loud.

Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe there's something wrong with this unit.

Also the settings adjustment seem a lot more complicated than the Yamaha.

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#2273196 - 05/09/14 10:25 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: carojm36]
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True. The ES100 speakers are not very loud. But for me is enough to annoy the neighbors next door in my building.

About settings, at least can save settings and load them later. So is complicated, but you don't really have to mess with that often. I really don't change settings. I only play with settings when was new. After i like the settings, i save it and i never touch it again.
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#2273250 - 05/09/14 12:57 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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THanks...BTW, have you done any adjusting to the temperament?

Dissonant intervals seem unusally jarring. I get a lot of "vibrato" off basic 7th intervals that I haven't noticed in my acoustic. I thought maybe it is a temperament issue.


Edited by carojm36 (05/09/14 01:09 PM)

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#2273375 - 05/09/14 06:17 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: carojm36]
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I didn't change temperament nor find any issue about it. I hope you are talking when using the speakers because with headphones I can't find anything wrong or strange. But with speakers, the resonance with the case affect the sound for worst.
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#2282367 - 05/28/14 04:00 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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I have a Yamaha P105B, and love it. I take lessons on a Baldwin spinet and can feel the difference, but it is not a hard adjustment in feel. The sound of my Yamaha is excellent.

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#2283692 - 05/31/14 09:57 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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I've been using my Roland FP7 for quite a while now. I gig with it and it fits in the back seat of the car. I also teach with it as it has a good split piano/bass sound so I can provide my students with a walking bass. (I teach jazz piano in London).
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#2291603 - 06/18/14 10:21 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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I have been using Yamaha P105 for about 8 months. I started from scratch and still am a beginner so I don't know how much my opinion will count. I am currently on the 3rd grade. In overall, I find P105 very good for its price. It served me very well with one exception, key weighting. The comments on that are below. I would recommend it but if someone think of playing piano very seriously, I'd decided to spend more money and buy CLP or CVP.


The speakers.
The speakers are ok but poor in this model but this did not concern me because most of time I have been practising using headphones. Besides, I eventually going to buy good speakers for any piano I'll have.

Slightly noisy when connected to my audio interface.
I have Audio Interface Focusrite Saffire pro 24 connected to MacBookPro and sometimes record myself. The saffire is super noiseless, tested on pro mic Rode, cables are ok. However I found that Yamaha P105 is slightly noisy, not too much but can be of problem.

Only one track to record.
There's only one track to record but Yamaha allows to record hands separately--if this is of any advantage :p

Metronome.
When recording a track with metronome with ding on first note, the piano holds recording until I start. Unfortunately, Yamaha somehow "synchronizes" or shifts the ding sound / first note when I touch keys. Consequently, I have to adapt to metronome smirk. It's annoying because I cannot play the pieces with extra note at the beginning. I have to press/touch any key to start recording and wait for the whole cycle then start to play.

Key weightings.
Because of its softer key weighting than pro pianos, I did not properly learned dynamics such as piano, mezzo piano, mezzo forte and forte. I tried more professional pianos like CVP Clavinova and I found hard to express dynamics. We agreed on that with my teacher. I find it difficult to express louder and quieter parts in pieces I play when I play on my teacher's Clavinova CVP. I believe his piano simulates Grad Piano very well.
This should not be a problem for very beginners but later it can be an issue.

No display screen.
It's really annoying when I have to change anything like, metronome volume, or more advanced settings such as MIDI channels. Majority stuff is coded in sequences of buttons and keys. I have to keep manual with me all the time. Perhaps this is normal for other pianos. I don't know. I find it sometimes irritating.

Hope it helps.


Edited by ZikO (06/18/14 10:25 AM)

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#2291925 - 06/19/14 04:20 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: ZikO]
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ZikO, are you going to replace your P105 by another brand/model soon, or what is your conclusion with the teacher ?
It is interesting for me to watch your progress as I started from scratch 4 monthes ago (on DGX650 which is the same in key action as P105).

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#2292010 - 06/19/14 09:45 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: ZikO]
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Originally Posted By: ZikO

Key weightings.
Because of its softer key weighting than pro pianos, I did not properly learned dynamics such as piano, mezzo piano, mezzo forte and forte. I tried more professional pianos like CVP Clavinova and I found hard to express dynamics. We agreed on that with my teacher. I find it difficult to express louder and quieter parts in pieces I play when I play on my teacher's Clavinova CVP. I believe his piano simulates Grad Piano very well.
This should not be a problem for very beginners but later it can be an issue.


I had this same problem years ago with my P-80.. my teacher would harp on it all the time.

I haven't tried the ES100 but in the < $1000 category IMO the Casio action is considerably better for dynamics.

This kept me away from Yamaha this time and is one of the reasons I elected to go above $1000.

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#2292444 - 06/20/14 04:58 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: MartasK]
ZikO Offline
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Originally Posted By: MartasK
ZikO, are you going to replace your P105 by another brand/model soon, or what is your conclusion with the teacher ?
It is interesting for me to watch your progress as I started from scratch 4 monthes ago (on DGX650 which is the same in key action as P105).

Hi MartaK,

Congratulations on this decision. Piano is great isn't it smile

Yes, I will be replacing this or simply buying a new piano, that is one of the Clavinova CLPs as soon as I can meaning when I can afford it :p . I rely on my teacher's opinion who has great experience and has got CVP at school. He also owns very old Clavinova CLP (don't know the number but it is from 1xx series) that, as he says, served him for ages and he's very happy with it. He suggested to consider one of the CLPs 4xx or above. I was reading a little bit and think of CLP 440, CLP 470, or CLP 575. All of them seem to be around or a bit above £2000. There's also a model of Clavinova CVP 601 in this price range.

I feel like I need to make a separate thread to ask for opinions on these models. I cannot decide which would be the best for me.

EDIT. As addition, I was reading a few posts here and visited Yamaha webpage and I will also be considering CLP-585.I


Edited by ZikO (06/20/14 08:00 AM)

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#2292540 - 06/20/14 12:27 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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You do need to find some way to compare the yamahas side by side with the GF and RM3ii kawai digitals. Yes I have an older CLP-142 myself and while it's not bad the current higher end digitals are noticeably better. The lower end? I don't feel any improvement.

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#2302986 - 07/16/14 11:21 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Quote:
the best "bang for the buck" option is to buy a cheap digital piano, or MIDI controller, with a good key action, and connect it to a computer (a cheap new laptop should be enough) to let a great software produce the piano sound


What are some good options for "a cheap digital piano, or MIDI controller, with a good key action"?

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#2303571 - 07/18/14 01:07 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: PeterRT]
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For a cheap MIDI controller with good key action the Studiologic Sl-990 comes to my mind haven“t tested this Masterkeyboard yet but there are some small reviews up on Youtube.

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#2308734 - 07/29/14 09:44 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Roland F-20 demo at Kraft Music. Thought this thread was a good spot to post as it is priced at $899.



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#2313105 - 08/08/14 05:46 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Choosing over Kawai ES100 vs Casio PXA100/PX355. Is it really a big difference between the 2 sensor key of ES100 vs 3 sensor key of PXA100/PX350? Will the 2 sensor key okay and enough with ES100, or should just jump with the 3 sensor key of Privia?

This is for my son who is studying piano right now. I just want get a digital piano that can not easily be outgrown and is for long term usage. My son just need the basic piano sounds and what is important for him is the feel of the keys. He is not yet into fast note runs but hopefully reach that stage. Hoping your thoughts and recommendations especially those who have tried those twe units. Thanks.


Edited by yeahyeah (08/08/14 05:48 PM)

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#2313126 - 08/08/14 06:58 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: yeahyeah]
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Originally Posted By: yeahyeah
Choosing over Kawai ES100 vs Casio PXA100/PX355. Is it really a big difference between the 2 sensor key of ES100 vs 3 sensor key of PXA100/PX350? Will the 2 sensor key okay and enough with ES100, or should just jump with the 3 sensor key of Privia?

This is for my son who is studying piano right now. I just want get a digital piano that can not easily be outgrown and is for long term usage. My son just need the basic piano sounds and what is important for him is the feel of the keys. He is not yet into fast note runs but hopefully reach that stage. Hoping your thoughts and recommendations especially those who have tried those twe units. Thanks.

I try both and end up buying the Kawai ES100. I am advanced pianist, even work for years playing on restaurants on real acoustic pianos. And I am happy on my choice for my home and for gigs. If I am happy, your son should be fine too with the ES100.

2 vs 3 sensor is not that important as you might think. Yes is better have 3 sensor over 2, but in reality it make so little difference that for me was not a problem so far.

When we choice digital pianos, or any device, we most choice between advantage and disadvantage of any model and brand. You mention the disadvantage of ES100 having only 2 sensors, and the advantage of the Casio with 3 sensor, but you are ignoring the many other advantage that the Kawai have over the Casio. For example: ES100 have 16 steps half pedal vs 3 steps of the casio. That make quite a difference because it allows more expression with the pedal. Also the ES100 have more silent key mechanism compare to the Privias that are quite noisy. That noise distracts in low volume and get annoying. Kawai have sample on all notes, and casio only 34 that are stretched, making the kawai sound much more realistic. Etc.

If anything, buy the Casio Privia PX-150 only if you want to safe money since is much cheaper than the Kawai, and those better things that Kawai have maybe don't worth the extra money for your needs. But for me it worth it.

If you only need a piano, don't buy the Casio PX-350 because it gives the same piano-experience as the PX-150/PX-A100 but with more extra features that I don't think your son needs, as far from what you say. No need to pay extra money for things that you will not use.

We all always say is better try it your-self in a store. If is possible, do it. If is not possible, let your son read the characteristics, watch videos, etc and let your son choice. Unless is too young?

Summary: Not watching price, the Kawai ES100 is better overall than the Casio PX-150. No doubt about it in my opinion. But if money is a problem, the PX-150 is good enough.

PS: No matter what you choice, you always will have to live with the disadvantage of your digital piano. All models have advantages as well as disadvantages over other models. If you choice X model you will have to live with X issues, but if you choice Y model you will have to live with Y issues. You have to choice what issue is more a big deal for you.

Good luck.
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#2313142 - 08/08/14 07:46 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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I picked the Roland F-20 piano up as my first after having my father's 25 year old Kawai in my home. I am quite pleased with it, honestly. And I picked it up on sale.

For reference: I'm an intermediate student who's a bit lapsed in practice. I picked up the Roland to have something smaller in my apartment and easier to use, so that I would start practicing again. Making the change worked. smile


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#2313318 - 08/09/14 07:45 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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@Daniel, thanks man for your input.. Just saw in youtube PianoManChuck review about triple sensor in Kawai VPC1 and Casio PX-5S. Looks like that triple sensor on Casio Privia is not really "smooth" and sounded like stuck. Maybe triple sensor really does worth it in high end digital pianos and not on low end models.

I am just not sure if the third sensor really does matter in your development and if I need to invest on it. What I do know (for not being a good piano player) is touch response is needed for dynamics, and my son's main concern is the feel of the keys (plus of course good grand piano sounds, internal speakers, headphone function and sustain damper pedal)

My son already tried ES100 and he likes it though he said the weight is light. His teacher said to look for Casio Privia. Havent tried the Privia yet and I am just reading the specs.

Then that makes me think. Technology and competition keep on changing so maybe in five years time there will be new model with better specs at cheaper price.

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#2313325 - 08/09/14 08:22 AM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: yeahyeah]
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If he feel the ES100 is too light, make him try the PX-150 somehow. The casios have a bit heavier key action than the Kawai ES100. If he like it, don't think more and buy it.

Key feel is important to almost all of us. If feels right and sounds right, no need to see if have 2 sensors or 3. Trust me, the sensor thing should be the least of your worries. Concentrated instead on the feel of the action and the sound.

Like I say, any model you buy you will have advantages and disadvantages. Make your pick regarding on key feel and piano sound. If something bothers you more in X model than on Y model, buy Y model. I am talking about the experience of playing.

There is always new models of digital pianos, but is not that quick they get outdated. Is not like computers. Digital piano technology advance much slower. I think your son will wear out and broke your digital piano before you need an upgrade.

If anything, a real upgrade is on money, not time. Higher priced models are a lot better than any of this model we are talking about. There is always better digital pianos out there. Question is "can you afford it?". For now I think you can't or don't think is necessary pay 2000 US$ for a digital piano.

So don't worry too much about new future models.
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#2314237 - 08/11/14 03:27 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: macktheknife]
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Hi had a p105 about a year ago. I was wondering if there was a glitch with mine, though.

It seemed very boomy on the the lower keys to the point their sound drowned out everything else.

The problem was so bad, that I switched to a p155.

But hearing your feedback makes me think it was just a flaw with mine and not something that other p105 owners are experiencing.
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#2314244 - 08/11/14 03:50 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Sushi Hammer]
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Originally Posted By: Sushi Hammer
Hi had a p105 about a year ago. I was wondering if there was a glitch with mine, though.

It seemed very boomy on the the lower keys to the point their sound drowned out everything else.

The problem was so bad, that I switched to a p155.

But hearing your feedback makes me think it was just a flaw with mine and not something that other p105 owners are experiencing.

Hard to say without any recording
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#2314629 - 08/12/14 04:50 PM Re: Comparison of Portable Digital Pianos under 1000 US$ [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Once I got the p155, I experienced a huge improvement in the sound. The lower end was well-balanced with the high keys, unlike the p105.

I know there many who are happy with their p105's and that is why I'm open to the possibility that it was a defect.
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