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#2168304 - 10/18/13 11:50 PM Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition)
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Hello. Here's another composition I wrote... Sounds kinda like Christmas so I named it Santa's Bon Voyage. Hope you guys enjoy and let me know what you think.

Julie Code

https://www.dropbox.com/s/64w2j88obnq9k58/Santa%27s%20Bon%20Voyage-1.pdf

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#2168434 - 10/19/13 10:09 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Any input is appreciated. Thanks.


Edited by MelodiesComposer09 (10/19/13 01:17 PM)

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#2169317 - 10/21/13 08:25 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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No audio?

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#2169321 - 10/21/13 08:30 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Measure 36? You've got to be kidding me. It took me about five seconds to figure out what those notes are.
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#2169358 - 10/21/13 09:48 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Polyphonist,

If it took you 5 seconds then why do you care? You just like putting people down.

Julie

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#2169359 - 10/21/13 09:49 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Stale fleas, I can upload one soon here... Let me work on a recording for you,

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#2169366 - 10/21/13 09:58 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Polyphonist,

Look on the bright side at least I am writing my music down even if they're errors it's worth it to me. Sorry if I've disappointed you with my transcribing skills. I used to have Robert King from truepianotranscriptions.com do it for me.

Julie

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#2169379 - 10/21/13 10:28 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Originally Posted By: MelodiesComposer09
Polyphonist,

If it took you 5 seconds then why do you care? You just like putting people down.

Julie
he does that a lot...

You'll need to either:
a. Ignore
b. Flame/troll back
c. Grab what's useful from his post and try to re-read it from a new perspective.

Personally, I prefer c. In this case what Polyphonist is saying is that he did that so quickly, because it's rather easy, so he's in fact encouraging you to study a bit more and find some time to work out those errors...

smile
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#2169387 - 10/21/13 10:38 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/w5w1cttnwdwm0u5/Santa%27s%20Bon%20Voyage.m4a

Here's a recording.. I played it with iGrand on my iPad hooked up to my digital piano. Not the best sound or recording but this is what it should sound like.

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#2169391 - 10/21/13 10:41 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Thanks Nikolas,

I agree with you. His info can be used to help me. I am trying to get along with him. :-) how should I rewrite the "run of notes" maybe with an 8va to half of them so it won't be so many ledger lines???

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#2169400 - 10/21/13 10:54 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Julie,

First of all try and make your audio files into mp3 ones instead of m4a.. I can playback them fine, but maybe a few won't be able to so... better be "safe than sorry".

Now, on the work itself first of all.

I think it's a nice little "doodle" (meaning nothing bad with this work). It's got a nice round form that works well (A-A-B-A') and then it ends. It's quick and right to the point.

There are a few things that seem to be mostly instinctive rather than thought out, but due to your lack of experience your instinct is not working at its full capacity. Some things (especially the "B" theme) is not "square" enough. Usually music moves in 4,8,16 etc. In this case this is broken, or at least sounds broken, which feels weird, right after the nice "A" theme.

On the score now, here's a few pointers, to help you going:

a. You ARE allowed to change clef in any of the staves. You could have two tremble clefs, or two bass clefts, for all the pianists care. How else can you have music played high with both hands?

b. And you ARE allowed to change clef in the middle of a bar.

So the very first few bars, in the LH (left hand) should be notated in the tremble clef. All the notes of the D major chord are above the middle C, so there's no reason to keep it at the bass clef.

Same goes for that 16th run, which goes WAY up. Just change clef and you;re done!

c. You do not have to notate every pedal instruction, especially if it's 'traditionally' in every bar. Playback WILL be affected, but any pianist will know how to use pedalling in this case.

d. You do not have to put the same tempo marking more than once, if nothing's changed. Apart the one in bar 1, the rest need to be deleted.

e. Once you change clef in the bass, you will be able to center the dynamics

f. Add articulations and slurs. You play things in a legato mode mostly, so show the pianist how to phrase things and what to play legato and what not!

That's about all the general comments I can give, without actually proof reading your score... wink

Hope they will be of aid!
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#2169413 - 10/21/13 11:09 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Thanks so much Nikolas! Very informative and I will have to rework the score. I may even contact my transcriptionist and see how he could help me. He usually reworks my compositions. I do mostly everything by instinct and had a couple years of lessons in middle school and have played music for a long time since I am 31 years old. But it's something I definitely love doing and maybe some day I'd love to get more lessons in or even a teacher in composition to help me. But your advice will get me on the right track before I contact my transcriptionist.

Julie Code

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#2169417 - 10/21/13 11:18 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Before you're forced to pay up, upload here again your efforts. I've no idea if i'll have the time to offer anything useful again (probably will, but can't promise), but this is a community, so more people will join in and help out.

And see how you can help out others as well! smile
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#2169422 - 10/21/13 11:28 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Nikolas,

My transcriber doesn't charge anything... But he does get 50% of my sales on the sheet music. But yes, I will try and upload here first... Thanks!!!

Julie Code

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#2169425 - 10/21/13 11:30 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Oh and I use notion on my iPad by the way for your information :-)

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#2169426 - 10/21/13 11:30 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: MelodiesComposer09
Polyphonist,

If it took you 5 seconds then why do you care? You just like putting people down.

Julie
he does that a lot...

You'll need to either:
a. Ignore
b. Flame/troll back
c. Grab what's useful from his post and try to re-read it from a new perspective.

Personally, I prefer c. In this case what Polyphonist is saying is that he did that so quickly, because it's rather easy, so he's in fact encouraging you to study a bit more and find some time to work out those errors...

smile

You are both misunderstanding me. 5 seconds is a very LONG time...in other words, the notes are unreadable with that many leger lines.
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#2169432 - 10/21/13 11:38 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: Polyphonist]
Nikolas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: MelodiesComposer09
Polyphonist,

If it took you 5 seconds then why do you care? You just like putting people down.

Julie
he does that a lot...

You'll need to either:
a. Ignore
b. Flame/troll back
c. Grab what's useful from his post and try to re-read it from a new perspective.

Personally, I prefer c. In this case what Polyphonist is saying is that he did that so quickly, because it's rather easy, so he's in fact encouraging you to study a bit more and find some time to work out those errors...

smile

You are both misunderstanding me. 5 seconds is a very LONG time...in other words, the notes are unreadable with that many leger lines.
whoops.

I now see what you mean.

Sorry.
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#2169443 - 10/21/13 11:51 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: Nikolas]
Polyphonist Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
You could have two tremble clefs, or two bass clefts, for all the pianists care.

So the very first few bars, in the LH (left hand) should be notated in the tremble clef.

Tremble clef?

Bass clefts?

grin
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#2169448 - 10/21/13 11:55 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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This is what happens when I'm tpying (<-this is on purpose) too quickly... :P
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#2169454 - 10/21/13 12:05 PM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: Nikolas]
Polyphonist Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is what happens when I'm tpying (<-this is on purpose) too quickly... :P

Sorry, nice try, but you said "tremble clef" twice. grin
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#2169458 - 10/21/13 12:11 PM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: Polyphonist]
Nikolas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
This is what happens when I'm tpying (<-this is on purpose) too quickly... :P

Sorry, nice try, but you said "tremble clef" twice. grin
By all means...

I'm not saying that I missed a key, but that I had no time to think about spelling at that point... Remember... me Greek you not... wink

And in any case, what does all this have to do with this thread, and Julie? As far as I'm concerned I helped Julie and gave her a few ideas... What about you? grin
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#2169466 - 10/21/13 12:15 PM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/yvxlnaua5tdcbl9/Santa%27s%20Bon%20Voyage.pdf

Here's a new file. I tried fixing something's you guys mentioned... I am not sure how to continue the run of 16th notes but I did change clefs like you said and hopefully it's looking a little bit better. I am not sure if I notated things right. I know you're supposed to group notes a certain way but never understood how to do that.

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#2169481 - 10/21/13 12:31 PM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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that's much better already! Well done!

The one thing that you need to ponder is "pulse". Each time signature (each rhythm pretty much) has its own pulse: In this case the 4/4 you have have a pulse (beat) every quarter.

So you need to make clear when every beat comes in and try not to break it unnecessarily.

For example in bar 4 and 21 you have a tied B in the right hand that could simply be a quarter note.

And you can also use dotted note values, if it's something simple. I mean a dotted quarter is something simple to handle. You don't need to notate it as a quarter - tied to - an eight.

Hope the above are clear?
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#2169551 - 10/21/13 02:44 PM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Thanks Nikolas! Yes that is clear and that was what I was unsure about... Thank you for clearing it up for me.... When I get free time I will upload a new score to Santa's Bon Voyage.

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#2169939 - 10/22/13 09:07 AM Re: Santa's Bon Voyage (Original Piano Composition) [Re: MelodiesComposer09]
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Here's a new score to Santa's Bon Voyage..... Hopefully things are looking better!!!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lk1ybpydndi9rho/Santa%27s%20Bon%20Voyage%20%281%29.pdf

Now about the B part, Nikolas can you give me suggestions to make it better?

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