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#2170331 - 10/22/13 10:35 PM Next Themed Recital?
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I was wondering what will be the next themed recital, as I would really like to particpate in one having not been able to before. I am not sure if the Joplin one is the next one or not? My teacher just assigned four of Tchaikovsky's songs to learn and my teacher has this whole book of his songs, waltzs, polkas, mazurkas, etc... and I was thinking that perhaps that could be enough pieces for the next recital, the right combination of easier and more complicated pieces.

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#2170374 - 10/23/13 12:35 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
I was wondering what will be the next themed recital, as I would really like to particpate in one having not been able to before. I am not sure if the Joplin one is the next one or not? My teacher just assigned four of Tchaikovsky's songs to learn and my teacher has this whole book of his songs, waltzs, polkas, mazurkas, etc... and I was thinking that perhaps that could be enough pieces for the next recital, the right combination of easier and more complicated pieces.


The Joplin recital hits March 15.

There's a Chopin Mazurka recital going on in Pianist's Corner that has a closer deadline--my guess is November/December as its original date got pushed out a bit.
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#2170445 - 10/23/13 04:45 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Best thing you can do is propose your own recital of whatever theme you choose. You can do that. "The Management" doesn't do it because there's no management. All the moderators do is moderate. They're the bouncers but they don't run the club. We do. Thow out the proposal. You should get plenty of interest. And plenty of offers of help so you needn't feel overwhelmed with the practicalities.
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#2170468 - 10/23/13 06:25 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Don`t feel overwhelmed at proposing this. Rather like "Volunteers wanted!" and everybody steps back a pace . . . . YOU got the job! Congratulations! Just put up a post asking for volunteers for assistance. We might not all stand back . . . grin Nah then Tchaikovsky, is it? Just thankful it ain`t Mussorgsky
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#2170486 - 10/23/13 07:35 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
I was wondering what will be the next themed recital, as I would really like to particpate in one having not been able to before. I am not sure if the Joplin one is the next one or not? My teacher just assigned four of Tchaikovsky's songs to learn and my teacher has this whole book of his songs, waltzs, polkas, mazurkas, etc... and I was thinking that perhaps that could be enough pieces for the next recital, the right combination of easier and more complicated pieces.


Irene Adler - the name rings a bell. Weren't you Sherlock Holmes adversary in "A Scandal in Bohemia"? smile

And the Chopin Mazurka deadline is Dec 15th, I think. At least that's what I'm counting on. Not sure how well my playing will be received in the Pianist Corner - those people scare me...

The Joplin deadline is March 15th. The ABF quarterly recitals are Feb 15, May 15, Aug 15, Nov 15 - regular as clockwork...

Tchaikovsky sounds interesting - I don't know any of his pieces. I listened to his biography from the "Great Courses". The Professor said that he committed suicide when faced with exposure over a sex scandal with a young man. I had never heard or read that anywhere before - not sure if that is a widely accepted version of his death or not.

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#2170540 - 10/23/13 10:10 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Don't forget our quarterly recitals, either. There's no theme, but the viewership is large. A thread describing the next recital and opening it for submissions will be posted sometime on Oct. 31, with the recital going live late on Nov. 14.
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#2170573 - 10/23/13 11:16 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Whizbang]
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Originally Posted By: Whizbang
Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
I was wondering what will be the next themed recital, as I would really like to particpate in one having not been able to before. I am not sure if the Joplin one is the next one or not? My teacher just assigned four of Tchaikovsky's songs to learn and my teacher has this whole book of his songs, waltzs, polkas, mazurkas, etc... and I was thinking that perhaps that could be enough pieces for the next recital, the right combination of easier and more complicated pieces.


The Joplin recital hits March 15.

There's a Chopin Mazurka recital going on in Pianist's Corner that has a closer deadline--my guess is November/December as its original date got pushed out a bit.

December 16 is the deadline - so there's still almost 2 months left. There are 5 Mazurkas yet to be claimed - please drop by and take one. smile
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#2171222 - 10/24/13 11:57 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
I was wondering what will be the next themed recital, as I would really like to particpate in one having not been able to before.
...
My teacher just assigned four of Tchaikovsky's songs
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I was thinking that perhaps that could be enough pieces for the next recital, the right combination of easier and more complicated pieces.


Tchaikovsky sounds fun ... I once played "Dance of the Sugar Plumb Fairy" but think I would need to start fresh again.

What about throwing out a bunch of ideas and seeing what is most popular and what sticks?

I'm not opposed to Tchaikovsky at all, but also interested in ALL genres. Joplin, for example will be nice shift/contrast to Mendelssohn and Grieg of late ...

what about an Elton John or Beatles Theme? Would there be any interest in that?
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#2171230 - 10/24/13 12:13 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
what about an Elton John or Beatles Theme? Would there be any interest in that?



Our own or off-the-peg piano arrangements of Beatles songs could be a lot of fun.

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#2171238 - 10/24/13 12:25 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
Tchaikovsky sounds fun ... I once played "Dance of the Sugar Plumb Fairy..."

grin
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#2171255 - 10/24/13 12:46 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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IreneA - Ya still there, lass, or have we scared you off?? Come back! Come back! grin Somebody else will do it if you don`t want to; it`s good you brought the subject up!
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#2171259 - 10/24/13 12:56 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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If we do Tchaikovsky, I claim Italian Song (op. 39 no. 15)! Don't wanna be caught unprepared grin
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#2171341 - 10/24/13 03:31 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Greener]
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Originally Posted By: Greener
what about an Elton John or Beatles Theme? Would there be any interest in that?


I keep saying I have to learn some Beatles' songs for my assisted living gigs. It's not going to be very long before folks my age, rather than my mother's age, are going to be there :\ And we were there with The Beatles on Ed Sullivan -

Cathy
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#2171352 - 10/24/13 03:57 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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....... well if anyone suggests/starts a Lady G themed recital, I'll have 'Bad Romance' lol wink

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#2171354 - 10/24/13 04:01 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: wayne33yrs]
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I`ll have "Poker Face" grin
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#2171366 - 10/24/13 04:27 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Well I propose a Madonna recital then! I'll play What Can You Lose, and then you can call me 88 Keys.

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#2171419 - 10/24/13 05:53 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Tchaikovsky sounds great to me, if someone wants to start that one up in a few months. I need to get through Joplin first! eek

A pop one could be a lot of fun too..

Would the Britney Spears Counterpoint count?


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#2171455 - 10/24/13 07:14 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Gee.... I thought if you did Beatles, Lady GG, Britney or any POP. You'd have to sing it also....
I"d kind like to see that... Imagine Wayne singing Lady GG. smile
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#2171497 - 10/24/13 09:10 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
IreneA - Ya still there, lass, or have we scared you off?? Come back! Come back! grin Somebody else will do it if you don`t want to; it`s good you brought the subject up!


Nah! I don't frighten that easily, I was just caught in a wave of calculus homework that had a rather impending deadline. Once you learn to deal, with derivatives, integrals, sequences, and infinite series, it would take something like trying to learn Chopin's Revoluntionary Étude in two weeks to scare me.

I like the idea of a Beatles recital that could be fun, as I have always wanted to learn to play their songs.

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#2171499 - 10/24/13 09:24 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Sam S]
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Originally Posted By: Sam S


Irene Adler - the name rings a bell. Weren't you Sherlock Holmes adversary in "A Scandal in Bohemia"? smile



Why yes, I can not deny that I did in fact in the year 1888, I gave that great consulting detective, a run for his money; and I am pleased to report I danced a merry jig around his plan to capture the photograph in question.


Hmm... so there are recitals in December, February, March etc... Anyone up for January or April? I hope that this recital can happen, as I grew up dancing to his music, thirteen years spent in the ballet world, and it is so lovely.

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#2171500 - 10/24/13 09:27 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Nice selection developing so far.
To Summarize:

Tchaikovsky
Elton Johnny
The Beatles
Lady GG
Madonna
Britney Spears

any others ? Twisted Sister crazy ?

The Beatles is gaining momentum, and I still like Tchaikovsky.
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#2171504 - 10/24/13 09:34 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

There's a Chopin Mazurka recital going on in Pianist's Corner that has a closer deadline--my guess is November/December as its original date got pushed out a bit.

December 16 is the deadline - so there's still almost 2 months left. There are 5 Mazurkas yet to be claimed - please drop by and take one. smile [/quote]
~ Polyphonist

Ideally, I would be so delighted to participate, but I have never played one Chopin's Mazurkas; and I am not sure if any of the ones left I could feasibly learn in 2 months.

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#2171508 - 10/24/13 09:37 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Greener]
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My vote is for Tchaikovsky, then a Beatles Recital, and then perhaps Elton John.
It would be cool to learn "Tiny Dancer" or "Somebody Saved My Life".

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#2171511 - 10/24/13 09:41 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Quote:
Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

There's a Chopin Mazurka recital going on in Pianist's Corner that has a closer deadline--my guess is November/December as its original date got pushed out a bit.

December 16 is the deadline - so there's still almost 2 months left. There are 5 Mazurkas yet to be claimed - please drop by and take one. smile

~ Polyphonist

Ideally, I would be so delighted to participate, but I have never played one Chopin's Mazurkas and I am not sure if any of the five left are ones I could feasibly learn in 2 months.

What's going on with the quoting here? grin
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#2171618 - 10/25/13 02:10 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Seriously, I like the Tchaikovsky idea. Then Elton John (super difficult, but there might be easy arrangements around). The Beatles - not for me.
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#2172256 - 10/26/13 09:40 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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I'd like to join a Tchaikovsky recital but not with a deadline before April due to other recital commitments. Is it open season on his works (no pun intended)? I've some pieces in my long term future outside Op. 37.

Yeah, yeah, yeah for The Beatles! I need less time if singing's allowed, more time if I have to make an instrumental arrangement. Likewise Elton John.
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#2172666 - 10/27/13 08:05 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Wow - there's so much hunger for themed recitals! I agree with Richard, Irene - many of us are committed to the Chopin Mazurkas and/or Joplin or the quarterly recitals, so an early deadline might be a problem for many.

However, maybe we could all decide that we will look into doing a Tchaikovsky (I'm gonna have to memorise how to spell that!) themed recital at the earliest practicable time?
If people want to go with this, I think we'd need a decent number of pieces to choose from, and a selection of relatively easy ones. Does this apply to Tchaikovsky's pieces?

If the Grieg recital is anything to go by (where it took 6 months between deciding to do it, and the recital going 'live') if any Tchaikovsky recital was on a similar scale, an April deadline would make sense. A smaller scale recital wouldn't take as long, I guess.

What do you think?

PS Or, if anyone is in a hurry to participate, they could get together with others and agree on a informal small scale recital, a bit like the early Philip Glass or Satie 'recitals' published on RST about a year ago (see the last page of the 'grieg recital: a proposal' thread for more info - you'll probably have to search for it now). Its just an idea



Edited by Dipsy (10/27/13 08:13 AM)

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#2172792 - 10/27/13 02:52 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Dipsy]
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I like the sounds of an April recital, plenty of time to organize it and learn the pieces. By that time I should have more than one of his pieces learned, yes!

The book my teacher assigned pieces from is called " Peter Tchaikovsky: A Highlight Collection of his Best-Loved Original Works". The publisher is called The Superior Teacher's Library of Piano Classics, Book 17. From a quick glance it has a nice range of pieces, but I don't think we need to limit the recital to this one book, any piece by Tchaikovsky wrote for the piano or even adaptations of his work for the piano sounds fair to me that way people can choose pieces they want to play.

E.g. Tchaikovsky's "Autumn Song/October" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CEM4yJEgmA.

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#2172828 - 10/27/13 04:53 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Tchaikovsky: Complete Piano Works

Total duration: 8 hours 05 mins

CD 1
01 No. 1. Scherzo a la russePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
07:15

02 No. 2. ImpromptuPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
06:04

03 No. 1. Ruines d'un chateauPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
05:14

04 No. 2. ScherzoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:32

05 No. 3. Chant sans parolesPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:07

06 Valse caprice in D major, Op. 4Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
09:12

07 Romance in F minor, Op. 5Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
05:43

08 Valse-scherzo No. 1 in A major, Op. 7Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:55

09 Capriccio in G flat major, Op. 8Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
06:03

10 No. 1. ReveriePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
06:56

11 No. 2. Polka de salonPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:51

12 No. 3. Mazurka de salonPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:53

13 No. 1. Nocturne in F majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:30

14 No. 2. Humoresque in E minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:51

CD 2
01 No. 1. Reverie du soirPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:54

02 No. 2. Scherzo humoristiquePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:55

03 No. 3. Feuillet d'albumPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:07

04 No. 4. NocturnePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:30

05 No. 5. CapricciosoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:36

06 No. 6. Theme originale et variationsPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
12:15

07 No. 1. Prelude in B majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:53

08 No. 2. Fugue a 4 voix in G sharp minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:44

09 No. 3. Impromptu in C sharp minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:47

10 No. 4. Marche funebre in A flat minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
08:35

11 No. 5. Mazurque in A flat minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:58

12 No. 6. Scherzo in A flat majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
05:59

13 Impromptu in A flat majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:34

14 Valse-scherzo No. 2 in A majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:09

15 Impromptu-caprice in G majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:51

16 Aveu passionne in E minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:36

17 Military March for the Yurevsky Regiment in B flat majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:40

18 March for the Volunteer Fleet in C majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:08

CD 3
01 No. 1. Morning Prayer (Priere du matin)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:22

02 No. 2. Winter Morning (Le matin en hiver)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:04

03 No. 3. Mamma (Maman)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:03

04 No. 4. Hobbyhorse (Le petit cavalier)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:37

05 No. 5. The Toy Soldiers' March (Marche des soldats de bois)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:49

06 No. 6. My New Dolly (La nouvelle poupee)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:39

07 No. 7. Dolly Is Ill (La poupee malade)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:52

08 No. 8. Dolly's Funeral (Enterrement de la poupee)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:53

09 No. 9. Waltz (Valse)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:24

10 No. 10. PolkaPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:46

11 No. 11. MazurkaPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:02

12 No. 12. Russian Song (Chanson russe)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:25

13 No. 13. Peasant Prelude (Le paysan prelude)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:57

14 No. 14. Popular Song (Kamarinskaya, Chanson populaire)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:29

15 No. 15. Italian Song (Chanson italienne)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:55

16 No. 16. Old French Song (Melodie antique francaise)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:52

17 No. 17. German Song (Chanson allemande)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:06

18 No. 18. Neapolitan Song (Chanson napolitaine)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:14

19 No. 19. A Nursery Tale (Conte de la vieille bonne)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:45

20 No. 20. The Witch Baba Yaga (La sorciere)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:41

21 No. 21. Sweet Dreams (Douce reverie)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:48

22 No. 22. The Lark (Chant de L'alouette)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:53

23 No. 23. At Church (A L'eglise)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:54

24 No. 24. The Organ-Grinder's Song (L'orgue de barbarie)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
00:58

25 I. Moderato e risolutoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
14:10

26 II. Andante non troppo quasi moderatoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
10:05

27 III. Scherzo: Allegro giocosoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:32

28 IV. Finale: Allegro vivacePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
07:44

CD 4
01 I. January: By the FiresidePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:54

02 II. February: CarnivalPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:12

03 III. March: Song of the LarkPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:16

04 IV. April: SnowdropPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:49

05 V. May: May NightsPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:23

06 VI. June: BarcarollePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:26

07 VII. July: Song of the ReaperPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:48

08 VIII. August: The HarvestPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:50

09 IX. September: The HuntPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:49

10 X. October: Autumn SongPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:06

11 XI. November: TroikaPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:05

12 XII. December: ChristmasPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:32

13 Dumka: Russian rustic scene, Op. 59Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
09:12

14 Impromptu in A flat major, "Momento lirico" (completed by A. Taneyev)Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:19

CD 5
01 Potpourri on Themes from the opera VoyevodaPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
16:11

02 No. 1. Cradle SongPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:10

03 No. 4. O Sing that SongPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:41

04 No. 5. So what, then?Pyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:39

05 Theme and Variations in A minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
15:00

06 I. Allegro con fuocoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
10:02

07 II. AndantePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
06:01

08 III. Scherzo: allegro vivoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
06:31

09 IV. Allegro vivoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
07:32

CD 6
01 No. 1. EtudePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
01:46

02 No. 2. Chanson tristePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:31

03 No. 3. Marche funebrePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
08:53

04 No. 4. Mazurka in C majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:05

05 No. 5. Mazurka in D majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:20

06 No. 6. Chant sans parolesPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:33

07 No. 7. Au villagePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:07

08 No. 8. Valse in A flat majorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:02

09 No. 9. Valse in F sharp minorPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:44

10 No. 10. Danse russePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:23

11 No. 11. ScherzoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:24

12 No. 12. Reverie interrompuePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:00

13 No. 1. Valse de salonPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:46

14 No. 2. Polka peu dansantePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
05:03

15 No. 3. Menuetto scherzosoPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:10

16 No. 4. Natha-valsePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:22

17 No. 5. RomancePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
07:37

18 No. 6. Valse sentimentalePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:15

CD 7
01 No. 1. ImpromptuPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:26

02 No. 2. BerceusePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
05:38

03 No. 3. Tendres reprochesPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:02

04 No. 4. Danse caracteristiquePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:37

05 No. 5. MeditationPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:53

06 No. 6. Mazurka pour danserPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:21

07 No. 7. Polacca de concertPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
06:37

08 No. 8. DialoguePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:59

09 No. 9. Un poco di SchumannPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:57

10 No. 10. Scherzo-fantaisiePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
07:53

11 No. 11. Valse bluettePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:45

12 No. 12. L'espieglePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:06

13 No. 13. Echo rustiquePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:29

14 No. 14. Chant elegiaquePyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
06:59

15 No. 15. Un poco di ChopinPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
03:23

16 No. 16. Valse a cinq tempsPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
02:17

17 No. 17. Passe lointainPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
05:30

18 No. 18. Scene dansante: invitation au trepakPyotr Il'yich Tchaikovsky
04:13

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#2172834 - 10/27/13 05:06 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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I have another "suggestion" for a themed recital.

I have been working my way through Mikrokosmos V 1 and I think it would be really nice to have Volumes 1 and 2 all done up in a recital thread, with comments. It would only take a few days to "work up" a Bartok Mikrokosmos selection. And in recital format, it would be easy to find and play just the one that you would like to listen to.

Naturally, this is not the same thing as a Grieg or Chopin recital, but I think a lot of people would like it and it would be a nice contribution.

Just a thought.


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#2172841 - 10/27/13 05:25 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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You've been busy Wayne - thanks! I think we can safely say that mr T has composed plenty for the piano!

Irene - yes it seems to me that an April deadline would be sensible, given how much is already going on,if people want to go for this recital. That would allow plenty of time for preparation.

AZAstro - thanks for adding another suggestion. In time I think there would be time for all- and there's nothing to stop recitals running concurrently I suppose.

I was trying to get a feel for a consensus. Is there one for a Tchaikovsky recital?

(whatever the consensus, I'm curious now - and am going to check out some of T's piano pieces on youtube!)

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#2172860 - 10/27/13 06:15 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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I like the idea of a Tchaikovsky recital count me in
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#2172865 - 10/27/13 06:28 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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I could really be bad and pick the Tchaikovsky piece I've recently played for a Quarterly Recital. I will at least attest that some of his stuff is not that easy. It took me weeks to learn June from The Seasons.
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#2172868 - 10/27/13 06:32 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: wayne33yrs]
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Wow Wayne. Thanks for compiling a list, you saved me the trouble, now I can get back to learning his Old French Song, I long to play his "Waltz of the Snowflakes"...among other pieces.

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#2172870 - 10/27/13 06:37 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: earlofmar]
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These are the Tchaikovsky pieces listed by Maurice Hinson as part of the standard teaching repertoire (and probably playable by most people in this forum):

Children's Album - opus 39: These are probably the easiest. Set of 24 pieces.

The Season's - op 37b: Maybe these should be called "the Months" - set of 12 pieces.

Chanson Triste - op 40/2

Song Without Words - op 2/3

And then there is "Dumka" op 59 and the Sonata op 37, which are more difficult.

Sam


Edited by Sam S (10/27/13 06:38 PM)
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#2172873 - 10/27/13 06:40 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Originally Posted By: IreneAdler
, now I can get back to learning his Old French Song,


Learning this one myself at the moment: not as easy as I first thought although mercifully short


Edited by earlofmar (10/27/13 06:40 PM)
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#2172925 - 10/27/13 08:38 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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I would be interested in a Tchaikovsky recital. I'm not very familiar with his works so it would be a good opportunity to learn. I've heard "June" and it's beautiful, although I imagine a piece of that level would take me many months to learn.

The Bartok sounds great too. Would his music be in the public domain?

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#2172931 - 10/27/13 08:45 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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The Album for the Young is certainly accessible by most folk here. The Seasons are a good deal harder, about the level of most of the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words.

I have two pieces chalked in for 2015, the Nocturne, Op. 10/1 and Album Leaf, Op. 19/3. I could bring one of those forward. Is anyone making a list yet?
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#2172981 - 10/27/13 10:55 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: zrtf90]
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Is anyone making a list yet?



Richard a list has been presented in a post today: now just needs someone to start the ball rolling.
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#2173016 - 10/28/13 02:18 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: wayne33yrs]
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That`s a good list there! You can see how long they are. So if like me, you have the attention span of a gnat . . . might it be desireable to cut out the very long ones?
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#2173034 - 10/28/13 04:20 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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If we're picking pieces already, I like impromptu op 21 no 3.


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#2173037 - 10/28/13 04:35 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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For me it would be 07 No. 7. Dolly Is Ill (La poupee malade) as it is one of the pieces in the book I will be using next year.
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#2173065 - 10/28/13 07:46 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Great! It looks like there's enough interest - congratulations Irene - how does it feel to be a 'mother'?!

I guess we need to agree on a list - there's Wayne's list, and Sam has come up with some pieces too. I don't know if there's an overlap, but perhaps we can for now agree that anything in either SamS' or Wayne's is 'in', as well as the pieces which people have said they want to do.

Would it be possible for someone to 'merge' all the Tchaikovsky pieces mentioned - especially Wayne's list and Sams' so that we just have the one list to work from? I don't have the music Sam refers to, so I can't do this myself.

I have a feeling that it might be a very long list, and if so, we can then think about cutting some out - to give us a workable number and weed out unsuitable pieces (like the v long ones as Peter suggests).

Any thoughts?

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#2173080 - 10/28/13 08:54 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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This is an editied version of Wayne's list with Opus numbers added. There seems to be enough pieces on it but if anyone has anything else they'd like to do (he transcribed many of his orchestral pieces for piano, too) they're welcome to add stuff.

Opp. 39 and 40 are easier and popular fare. I've removed the sonatas and more remote pieces.

I don't think there's any need to fill the list. If everyone who wants to join in takes a piece, seconds can be offered after a month or so if folk feel the need to do more.

I'm starting it off. I'm not intending to maintain it. smile

Op. 1 No. 1. Scherzo a la russe
Op. 1 No. 2. Impromptu

Op. 2 No. 1. Ruines d'un chateau
Op. 2 No. 2. Scherzo
Op. 2 No. 3. Chant sans paroles

Op. 4 Valse caprice in D major
Op. 5 Romance in F minor
Op. 7 Valse-scherzo No. 1 in A major
Op. 8 Capriccio in G flat major

Op. 9 No. 1. Reverie
Op. 9 No. 2. Polka de salon
Op. 9 No. 3. Mazurka de salon

Op. 10 No. 1. Nocturne in F major
Op. 10 No. 2. Humoresque in E minor

Op. 19 No. 1. Reverie du soir
Op. 19 No. 2. Scherzo humoristique
Op. 19 No. 3. Feuillet d'album (zrtf90)
Op. 19 No. 4. Nocturne
Op. 19 No. 5. Capriccioso
Op. 19 No. 6. Theme originale et variations

Op. 21 No. 1. Prelude in B major
Op. 21 No. 2. Fugue a 4 voix in G sharp minor
Op. 21 No. 3. Impromptu in C sharp minor (dire tonic)
Op. 21 No. 4. Marche funebre in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 5. Mazurque in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 6. Scherzo in A flat major

Op. 37 No. 1 January: By the Fireside
Op. 37 No. 2 February: Carnival
Op. 37 No. 3 March: Song of the Lark
Op. 37 No. 4 April: Snowdrop
Op. 37 No. 5 May: White Nights
Op. 37 No. 6 June: Barcarolle
Op. 37 No. 7 July: Song of the Reaper
Op. 37 No. 8 August: The Harvest
Op. 37 No. 9 September: The Hunt
Op. 37 No. 10 October: Autumn Song
Op. 37 No. 11 November: Troika
Op. 37 No. 12 December: Christmas

Op. 39 No. 1. Morning Prayer
Op. 39 No. 2. Winter Morning
Op. 39 No. 3. Mamma
Op. 39 No. 4. Hobbyhorse
Op. 39 No. 5. The Toy Soldiers' March
Op. 39 No. 6. My New Dolly
Op. 39 No. 7. Dolly Is Ill (earlofmar)
Op. 39 No. 8. Dolly's Funeral
Op. 39 No. 9. Waltz
Op. 39 No. 10. Polka
Op. 39 No. 11. Mazurka
Op. 39 No. 12. Russian Song
Op. 39 No. 13. Peasant Prelude
Op. 39 No. 14. Popular Song
Op. 39 No. 15. Italian Song
Op. 39 No. 16. Old French Song
Op. 39 No. 17. German Song
Op. 39 No. 18. Neapolitan Song
Op. 39 No. 19. A Nursery Tale
Op. 39 No. 20. The Witch Baba Yaga
Op. 39 No. 21. Sweet Dreams
Op. 39 No. 22. The Lark
Op. 39 No. 23. At Church
Op. 39 No. 24. The Organ-Grinder's Song

Op. 40 No. 1. Etude
Op. 40 No. 2. Chanson triste
Op. 40 No. 3. Marche funebre
Op. 40 No. 4. Mazurka in C major
Op. 40 No. 5. Mazurka in D major
Op. 40 No. 6. Chant sans paroles
Op. 40 No. 7. Au village
Op. 40 No. 8. Valse in A flat major
Op. 40 No. 9. Valse in F sharp minor
Op. 40 No. 10. Danse russe
Op. 40 No. 11. Scherzo
Op. 40 No. 12. Reverie interrompue

Op. 51 No. 1. Valse de salon
Op. 51 No. 2. Polka peu dansante
Op. 51 No. 3. Menuetto scherzoso
Op. 51 No. 4. Natha-valse
Op. 51 No. 5. Romance
Op. 51 No. 6. Valse sentimentale

Op. 72 No. 1. Impromptu
Op. 72 No. 2. Berceuse
Op. 72 No. 3. Tendres reproches
Op. 72 No. 4. Danse caracteristique
Op. 72 No. 5. Meditation
Op. 72 No. 6. Mazurka pour danser
Op. 72 No. 7. Polacca de concert
Op. 72 No. 8. Dialogue
Op. 72 No. 9. Un poco di Schumann
Op. 72 No. 10. Scherzo-fantaisie
Op. 72 No. 11. Valse bluette
Op. 72 No. 12. L'espiegle
Op. 72 No. 13. Echo rustique
Op. 72 No. 14. Chant elegiaque
Op. 72 No. 15. Un poco di Chopin
Op. 72 No. 16. Valse a cinq temps
Op. 72 No. 17. Passe lointain
Op. 72 No. 18. Scene dansante: invitation au trepak
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#2173097 - 10/28/13 09:48 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: zrtf90]
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May I propose, as I have before in other recitals, that the list be self-maintaining? - i.e. each new participant copy-pastes the latest list and simply updates the pasted version with his/her own choice. That becomes the latest list. It's foolproof, simple, and always 100% up to date.

Sooner or later there will need to be a nominated team and/or boss to coordinate the final presentation (I'm not looking for work!!) but at this stage maybe someone, anyone, not necessarily the 'boss', could start a new thread, with Richard's list to include 'Tchaikovsky' in the title? Then let everyone have at it...

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#2173099 - 10/28/13 09:49 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Looks interesting. Actually I know little about Tchaikovsky's piano muisc. The only piece I have played before is the "June Barcarole" from "the Seasons", but I guess I should use the opportunity to learn something new. I need some time to listen and get hold of the score before I decide for a piece.

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#2173116 - 10/28/13 10:23 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Thanks for the list Richard.

Quote:
There seems to be enough pieces ...


I 'll say - there are nearly 100 of them!

I agree Lynton - with so many pieces I think it would be a good idea if, when someone offers to do a piece, they have responsibility for updating the list. However, it might also be useful if there was a person(s)who would periodically check it over (maybe even saving the latest version). With so many pieces, any double-booking or other errors could cause a real headache if not spotted early on.

If second choices are to be allowed after a set period if there are no 'takers', then there would need to be a list of second choices too, I think.

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#2173118 - 10/28/13 10:27 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Good idea, dire tonic. New thread started.
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#2173123 - 10/28/13 10:32 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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I don't think there's a need a need for a list of second choices. Hold fire for a spell and pick another from, say, November 15 (which still leaves five months) or December 1 (which allows a month for the dust to settle).
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#2173124 - 10/28/13 10:35 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Its really nice to have so long to prepare..though it'll take ages to get through these to make a choice!

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#2173125 - 10/28/13 10:37 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Yeah, I'd sight read them all first laugh
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#2173129 - 10/28/13 10:44 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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An easy way to adapt the main list for second choices (as and when the recital gates are opened up for them): The participant's name is bracketed – so the brackets indicate it’s a second choice and free to be erased and replaced by (and ONLY by) a NEW participant.

(edit: and maybe a PM from the usurper to the former second-choicer to convey the bad news! lol!)


Edited by dire tonic (10/28/13 10:48 AM)

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#2173137 - 10/28/13 10:56 AM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
An easy way to adapt the main list for second choices (as and when the recital gates are opened up for them): The participant's name is bracketed – so the brackets indicate it’s a second choice and free to be erased and replaced by (and ONLY by) a NEW participant.


ah! - the 1st choice entries already have bracketed names. So, the same idea will work but using a symbol other than brackets, e.g. ?name? or !name! or something flashy...

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#2173236 - 10/28/13 02:58 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Good going guys, smile

I got the complete list here:

http://www.deezer.com/en/album/4725421

You can also preview each song for 30secs, or sign up and listen to them in full (I haven't tried this yet)

Anyone have links to the complete scores?

Diretonic - the self maintianing list is a great idea wink

Hope to join you guys in this one (as withdrew from the Chopin one in PC) April 2014 is a better time scale for me smile

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#2173255 - 10/28/13 03:31 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Dipsy]
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Great! It looks like there's enough interest - congratulations Irene - how does it feel to be a 'mother'?!

Any thoughts?


Thoughts... I have so many: firstly, I could bowl over my Dad in one fell swoop, but saying "I am Mother" ohh what a pity it is not April 1st anymore.... drat! Comedy gold here... grin though he would probably be decidedly unamused and take away my book allowance... frown

There appears that a single list is all compiled, and a new thread is started so that's done. Very excited that this recital is going to occur, my teacher will be pleased, and I am asured to know at least four of his pieces, possibly more by April...

I should put my name down for his Old French Song and Neapolitan Song, Op 39, 18 as I know those will be learned by then.

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#2173317 - 10/28/13 05:46 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Oh Lord, I was busy picking my olives and I find you actually put up a new themed recital! I signed up... hope it won't turn out to be too difficult.
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#2173318 - 10/28/13 05:52 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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If you're sure what you want to play Irene - you could put your name down - amending the list on the new thread. They are going fast over there, considering the list has only been up for a few hours!

It was really helpful Wayne to post the link to the recordings of the pieces - it allowed me to check them all out, and I've now made a choice.

Things are well under way now - we're getting good at these themed recitals these days, aren't we?! smile

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#2173341 - 10/28/13 06:38 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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The Tchaikovsky is looking gooood!! Thanks for the preview page, Wayne. Maybe subscribing to Deezer to hear the compositions in full would be a good idea. From the few longer works I checked out, many of them start out sounding fairly manageable until about 20% the way through when they turn into a total roast-up with Tchai seeming to grow an extra pair of hands. If there’s to be even the remotest chance of a recital with 100% take-up there'll have to be a hefty influx of help from the ‘other’ forum – lots of it!

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#2173359 - 10/28/13 07:06 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: Dipsy]
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" They are going fast over there, considering the list has only been up for a few hours!"

Not surprised! Grab a playable one while ya can!! Gordon Bennett, this stuff is gonna make us sizzle . . . shocked
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#2173377 - 10/28/13 07:26 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: peterws]
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I'm in, with 40/2 "Chanson Triste".

If you are looking for the easier ones, look in opus 39...

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#2174384 - 10/30/13 03:02 PM Re: Next Themed Recital? [Re: IreneAdler]
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Having looked at the score of my gorgeous piece, its gonna be a real challenge - will have to redistribute the left and right hand notes to fit everything in - crazy

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