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I so wish to be as successful and get my own thread of fighting in PW! Wouldn't that be awesome? It's easy, Nikolas! Here's how to do it: 1) Wait a week from today. Then, 2) Start a thread on any of these topics (your choice): --Lang Lang --Valentina --The Use of Arpeggiation and Asynchronization --Whether or not to listen to recordings of a piece you are currently learning --Whether or not composers really meant musicians to follow what they wrote in a score I am sure there are other topics that would work, but these are "sure fire," as they say. If you can (and I am sure you can) include some typos or grammatical errors in your original post. That will certainly help things along. --Andy We should have a separate PW forum for each of those topics.
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I so wish to be as successful and get my own thread of fighting in PW! Wouldn't that be awesome? It's easy, Nikolas! Here's how to do it:[...] --Lang Lang --Valentina --The Use of Arpeggiation and Asynchronization --Whether or not to listen to recordings of a piece you are currently learning --Whether or not composers really meant musicians to follow what they wrote in a score [...] We should have a separate PW forum for each of those topics. LOL! Another "sure fire" topic--hop on over to the Tuner/Tech forum and ask, "Equal Temperament or Unequal Temperament?" (I can even tell you who will reply to that question, and what they will say... )
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I so wish to be as successful and get my own thread of fighting in PW! Wouldn't that be awesome? It's easy, Nikolas! Here's how to do it: 1) Wait a week from today. Then, 2) Start a thread on any of these topics (your choice): --Lang Lang --Valentina --The Use of Arpeggiation and Asynchronization --Whether or not to listen to recordings of a piece you are currently learning --Whether or not composers really meant musicians to follow what they wrote in a score --Andy I think you forgot one, Andy: --If you believe a piece is not horribly difficult to play, you simply don't understand it.
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I enjoy Val's playing.
I do not enjoy Lang's hidden insights.
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I so wish to be as successful and get my own thread of fighting in PW! Wouldn't that be awesome? It's easy, Nikolas! Here's how to do it: 1) Wait a week from today. Then, 2) Start a thread on any of these topics (your choice): --Lang Lang --Valentina --The Use of Arpeggiation and Asynchronization --Whether or not to listen to recordings of a piece you are currently learning --Whether or not composers really meant musicians to follow what they wrote in a score --Andy I think you forgot one, Andy: --If you believe a piece is not horribly difficult to play, you simply don't understand it. Often it's true.
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But usually, as Andy points out.
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Okay, I'm going to chime in on this now. I'm the one who sat next to VL on the subway and chickened out of saying hello to her.
I admire her. I support her. I was at her recital at the 92Y. I actually went to an "unofficial" recital she gave in NYC back in 2010 at the Ukrainian Cultural Center. I don't think she's the best pianist out there, and there are things I don't like about her playing. But I like what she does overall, and I'd go see her again. I can be very specific about some of the things I don't like, to give some examples.
But first I'll start with a positive comment. Her opening piece, Rachmaninoff Op 32 No. 5, was breathtaking. Such a beautiful tone and flow. I was annoyed at the people around me because the seats in that hall are very creaky, and every time someone shifted their weight, it distracted me. OH MY GOD WILL YOU JUST SIT STILL.
Op. 32 #12: The sound was too "hard." I don't necessarily think the 16th note figuration needs to sound like Ondine, but it shouldn't sound like a toccata either.
Op 32 #10: Opening was great. Middle section was voiced "backwards" IMO. 8th note triplets of the "orchestra" drowned out the brass melody.
Op 23 5$6: I don't know where my brain was. I wasn't paying attention, apparently.
Op 23 #2: Really muddy and imbalanced. The fanfare in the treble was mostly inaudible over the left hand growl. Not a lot of "space" in the 2nd more lyric section.
Overall I would say this about the performance. There were some places where she changed her interpretation from some of her youtube performances. Mostly for the better, I think. But her amazing, dazzling chops sometimes get away from her and her playing stops saying anything. The only thing some of her performances said was "wow, I can play really accurately and fast." N.B., my own playing never falls prey to this danger...
Given the option I would go see Murray Perahia play before Valentina. But if I didn't have to make that choice, I'd go see her again. I enjoyed it.
Also, a note about the program notes. I don't think she was attacking the program notes directly. She was commenting on the general practice of program notes being just so much trivia. "so and so composed opus x in blahblahblah and was published by mumbleandmumble, it was first premiered by the composer in the year blahblahblah+2 and he immediately revised it and re-premired it later that same year two towns away... <snore>" Yes, she read the notes that were written for her program. If it was a criticism of anything, it was about the general tone of program notes. She then started reading something she'd written discussing what the Shostakovitch Sonata meant to her. And also what it apparently represented to the composer, why he wrote it, what it was about for him, etc. The thing with program notes is they're usually "correct." But in the end they don't tend to be very interesting when all they do is tell you when and where the music was written. Shostakovitch's 2nd sonata tells a tale of profound horror, being written during/after the siege of Leningrad. She wanted to make sure we all knew that story.
-------------------------- Bach WTC 1 #7 Brahms Op 76 #1, Op 118 #5 Debussy Suite Bergamasque
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....snip.... Let us not discount "I killed a wabbit," "Fantasia," or Buggs Bunny as the Maestro.
Inspiration and attraction lies only around the corner. Kindling that little spark is the responsibility of all those who cherish the worth of classical music. i like your thoughts marty. but it gave me one bad one. do you understand what it could mean if lang lang and bugs bunny are successful in inspiring interest in classical piano music? suddenly 1000's upon 1000's of others will join piano world wanting to share their own opinions, and the threads will reach into untold numbers of pages, and hitherto unexplored controversies. i think it is in the moderator's best interest to keep the popularity of this music to a bare minimum. just sayin'.
"Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense." - Gertrude Stein
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toyboy,
Good idea. Let's keep it secret.
We need a hush-hush code word to get in. That, and a secret handshake.
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I so wish to be as successful and get my own thread of fighting in PW! Wouldn't that be awesome? Take care in what you wish for Mr. Nikolas. But if that thread were to appear on PW it would be endless troubles as we ladies discussed whether you were musical, tall, handsome, thoughtful and intelligent or limited to merely musical, helpful, interesting, intelligent and cute!
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May I assume there is a hidden discussion of 'toyboy?'
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And Tomasina (or whatever he/she's called)? Tommasini is his last name and his first name is Anthony. I realize that you are having some difficulties with acculturation and gender identity, but would suggest that you tread lightly in this area. Better yet, avoid it entirely. Are you having some problem with humor failure recently? When it comes to homophobic jibes, yes.
And what have you got against Lisitsa? You defend some faceless critic to the hilt (who's of course immune to any criticism, as that's not going to impact on his earnings) and criticize a pianist - not just her playing, but her musicianship - who has done more to further the cause of classical piano in recent years than almost anyone else. Certainly more than any so-called critic, including yourself.
Read your own posts, before posting any riposte. Better still, don't.
What I have got against Lisitsa is her intemperate fans, who make ludicrous proclamations that she's beyond any criticism. Well, you may see her as coated in Teflon, but that doesn't mean anyone else does. Incidentally, I can't think of any pianist whose musicianship is beyond question. That sort of perfection just doesn't exist in this world, although there may be a few who approach it; Lisitsa isn't one of them. And after this post, you will be blissfully free of responses from me, because I won't be reading any more of your posts, either in this thread or elsewhere here at PW.
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Inspiration and attraction lies only around the corner. Kindling that little spark is the responsibility of all those who cherish the worth of classical music.
I'm perfectly happy to "kindle that little spark" with people who are interested, and have done that whenever the opportunity comes up, but I don't believe in proselytizing. It's the "do unto others" thing - I don't like it when people try to sell their enthusiasms to me when I am not interested, and I try not to do that to others. I also don't get why "responsibility" enters the picture. People are free to do whatever they want in regards to classical music, AFAIAC.
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wr,
Is being obtuse a chronic condition for you?
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What I have got against Lisitsa is her intemperate fans, who make ludicrous proclamations that she's beyond any criticism. Well, you may see her as coated in Teflon, but that doesn't mean anyone else does.
Incidentally, I can't think of any pianist whose musicianship is beyond question. That sort of perfection just doesn't exist in this world, although there may be a few who approach it; Lisitsa isn't one of them. I don't see how one can reasonably hold behavior of Lisitsa's fans against her. Saying that no pianist's musicianship is beyond question is far different from what some posters in the thread said...that Lisitsa was lacking in musicianship.
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[quote= And after this post, you will be blissfully free of responses from me, because I won't be reading any more of your posts, either in this thread or elsewhere here at PW.
Good riddance. No, don't bother to reply.
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Is being obtuse a chronic condition for you?
Are ad hominem attacks your only mode of expression?
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