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#2171942 - 10/25/13 04:58 PM No natural minor scales in Hanon?
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Or is the natural minor somewhere else in the book? I note that the melodic minor ascending version is both ascending and descending in Hanon. I find that interesting because I was wondering if the ascending melodic minor should be practiced descending. Is that how they practiced minor scales in the 19th century?

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#2172004 - 10/25/13 06:53 PM Re: No natural minor scales in Hanon? [Re: Reaper978]
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Originally Posted By: Reaper978
Or is the natural minor somewhere else in the book? I note that the melodic minor ascending version is both ascending and descending in Hanon. I find that interesting because I was wondering if the ascending melodic minor should be practiced descending. Is that how they practiced minor scales in the 19th century?


I don't understand the question. Traditionally, and even to this day, all scales are practiced in ascending and descending, major and minor. All the more so as the descending melodic minor is different from the ascending melodic minor.

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#2172023 - 10/25/13 07:41 PM Re: No natural minor scales in Hanon? [Re: BruceD]
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Or is the natural minor somewhere else in the book? I note that the melodic minor ascending version is both ascending and descending in Hanon. I find that interesting because I was wondering if the ascending melodic minor should be practiced descending. Is that how they practiced minor scales in the 19th century?


I don't understand the question. Traditionally, and even to this day, all scales are practiced in ascending and descending, major and minor.

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It's difficult for me to convey what I mean. In Hanon, as far as I can see, there are only two versions of the minor scale addressed, the melodic minor and the harmonic minor. And, interestingly, in the melodic minor, the 6th and 7th degrees of the scale are raised when descending. So the descending version is not different from the ascending. Unless I misread it. But I'm pretty sure I saw the 6th and 7th degrees raised in both ascending and descending directions

But, as you know, in the modern era the descending melodic minor is no different from the natural minor. I just find it peculiar that I saw no natural minor scales in Hanon.


Edited by Reaper978 (10/25/13 07:43 PM)

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#2172041 - 10/25/13 08:23 PM Re: No natural minor scales in Hanon? [Re: Reaper978]
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The melodic minor scales in Hanon do not use raised 6th and 7th scale degrees when descending. I think you are confusing it with the Harmonic minor scale.

Hanon is relevant to music of the pre 20th century. Natural minor scales were not particularly common, as the raised leading tone was considered very important in resolutions. In any case, it would not be a difficult thing to play a passage involving an ascending natural minor scale, and as such, doesn't really need special practice.

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#2172050 - 10/25/13 08:58 PM Re: No natural minor scales in Hanon? [Re: Reaper978]
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Eh, I guess you're right. Don't know why I thought the natural minor wasn't in there. Confused with what the accidentals look like, I guess.


Edited by Reaper978 (10/25/13 09:00 PM)

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#2172114 - 10/25/13 11:54 PM Re: No natural minor scales in Hanon? [Re: Reaper978]
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^ Reaper, you seem to have mellowed out a bit. Gone are the dramatically nihilistic posts of yore, some of us grow up.
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